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[babyjax13]

A week ago I was a conspiracy theorist. Today we are getting stories of a coup by Cuban to oust nico and let him run the show again.

Yes this is all very believable. Nico forced mark out, the owner allowed him to quietly "what if" trade a top 5 player in the world for a broken down 33 year old. And suddenly now cubans back in charge lol.

How long until nico is working an advisory role for his buddy in LA?

That would be a good way to piss of Luka, if you mean bringing Niko to the Lakers.

[LightTheBeam]

A week ago I was a conspiracy theorist. Today we are getting stories of a coup by Cuban to oust nico and let him run the show again.

Yes this is all very believable. Nico forced mark out, the owner allowed him to quietly "what if" trade a top 5 player in the world for a broken down 33 year old. And suddenly now cubans back in charge lol.

How long until nico is working an advisory role for his buddy in LA?

That would be a good way to piss of Luka, if you mean bringing Niko to the Lakers.

Half joking. I just have a hard time seeing how some believe this was just a dumb moment but a single individual. Too much smoke for me

[kobe_vs_jordan]

A week ago I was a conspiracy theorist. Today we are getting stories of a coup by Cuban to oust nico and let him run the show again.

Yes this is all very believable. Nico forced mark out, the owner allowed him to quietly "what if" trade a top 5 player in the world for a broken down 33 year old. And suddenly now cubans back in charge lol.

How long until nico is working an advisory role for his buddy in LA?

That would be a good way to piss of Luka, if you mean bringing Niko to the Lakers.

Half joking. I just have a hard time seeing how some believe this was just a dumb moment but a single individual. Too much smoke for me

Ego a dangerous thing. Think Nico think he was the reason for the finals run

[zimpy27]

A week ago I was a conspiracy theorist. Today we are getting stories of a coup by Cuban to oust nico and let him run the show again.

Yes this is all very believable. Nico forced mark out, the owner allowed him to quietly "what if" trade a top 5 player in the world for a broken down 33 year old. And suddenly now cubans back in charge lol.

How long until nico is working an advisory role for his buddy in LA?

That would be a good way to piss of Luka, if you mean bringing Niko to the Lakers.

Half joking. I just have a hard time seeing how some believe this was just a dumb moment but a single individual. Too much smoke for me

Nico didn't think Luka could win a championship.
He wanted to create a strong defense and surrounded Luka with defensive players but just couldn't make it work.

I understand the logic that you aren't ever going to win a championship if you can't lock in defensively as a team. I get wanting to trade Luka when you were concerned that his weight issues would make him a bad asset in a few years on a supermax.

The real issue for Nico is that he did not get enough value back for Luka. I think he was short a few FRPs. The trade was made worse because Kyrie and Davis both got injured soon after. Compounding it has been the fans not standing behind the team on the floor, I doubt any of the current non-rookie Mavs players want to play for the Mavs much longer because of the fans anti-team management sentiment. So now the Mavs really need to shop any players with value and rebuild a culture.

[SkyHook]

Sort of funny but lateral trade doesn’t make sense. The goal is how to add JJJ and not give up core pieces.

To be fair, adding a high level player and not giving up core pieces doesn't make sense, either.

Agreed as well, hence trying to load up the FRPs to compensate

This argument reminded me of a pitch I made for Cade that you almost bought in on. Other Pistons fans were almost universally opposed, as I now expect Grizzlies fans would be for their former DPOY. Some interesting comments in the thread in retrospect.

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[jayjaysee]

I don’t understand why a coup would be necessary to fire Nico. And if it there was, then Cuban is still the same hero that he was for Dallas fans for the last 25 years..

I don’t believe there was some conspiracy either though. Just a really terrible decision made worse by injuries to the two stars. But if both were healthy and Dallas had won a playoff series and traded for KD this offseason instead of Houston, as this forum suggested a lot?

Most Dallas fans would still hate Nico, but Dallas would probably have a top 2-3 record and be a contender..

Kidd is doing a fine job leading the tank. Need some of the vets to be traded though.

[daoneandonly]

A week ago I was a conspiracy theorist. Today we are getting stories of a coup by Cuban to oust nico and let him run the show again.

Yes this is all very believable. Nico forced mark out, the owner allowed him to quietly "what if" trade a top 5 player in the world for a broken down 33 year old. And suddenly now cubans back in charge lol.

How long until nico is working an advisory role for his buddy in LA?

Well LUka and Nico hate each other, so doubtful

[Texas Chuck]

A week ago I was a conspiracy theorist. Today we are getting stories of a coup by Cuban to oust nico and let him run the show again.

Yes this is all very believable. Nico forced mark out, the owner allowed him to quietly "what if" trade a top 5 player in the world for a broken down 33 year old. And suddenly now cubans back in charge lol.

How long until nico is working an advisory role for his buddy in LA?

You still have no evidence. Or anything but feelings lol. Bring something to the table.

Here is what is reported:

Cuban sold team but had written agreement to still run team.
League said can't do that, but Cuban could be hired as a GM
Cuban didn't want a job so they didn't do that
Harrison and Vegas made the trade without consulting Cuban
Harrison got fired for it
Vegas now things maybe Cubans' voice and experience might be helpful

Nothing about the league forcing Dallas to give Luka to the Lakers
Nothing about htem forcing to kick Cuban out since he wouldn't go along
Nothing about Flagg being a kickback

Bring something. Or yeah its tin foil

[LightTheBeam]

A week ago I was a conspiracy theorist. Today we are getting stories of a coup by Cuban to oust nico and let him run the show again.

Yes this is all very believable. Nico forced mark out, the owner allowed him to quietly "what if" trade a top 5 player in the world for a broken down 33 year old. And suddenly now cubans back in charge lol.

How long until nico is working an advisory role for his buddy in LA?

You still have no evidence. Or anything but feelings lol. Bring something to the table.

Here is what is reported:

Cuban sold team but had written agreement to still run team.
League said can't do that, but Cuban could be hired as a GM
Cuban didn't want a job so they didn't do that
Harrison and Vegas made the trade without consulting Cuban
Harrison got fired for it
Vegas now things maybe Cubans' voice and experience might be helpful

Nothing about the league forcing Dallas to give Luka to the Lakers
Nothing about htem forcing to kick Cuban out since he wouldn't go along
Nothing about Flagg being a kickback

Bring something. Or yeah its tin foil

Ill keep my tin foil hat on.

We both know there will never be "proof". Shaq came out and said what we all know about the lottery, it wasnt even a story.

[Texas Chuck]

Wait your source is Shaq? I take it all back.... Shaq never just says stuff

But I also know that conspiracy folks don't care what the evidence says. So they say things like well we have no proof either way so I'm going to ignore all of the evidence we do have that points one direction and say its the same as what I just think with no evidence.

So I won't try to convince not to believe its all rigged for the Lakers. Because there is literally nothing you would accept because you've started with your desired conclusion and are working backwards. And there is no refuting someone who starts with a conclusion.

[LightTheBeam]

That would be a good way to piss of Luka, if you mean bringing Niko to the Lakers.

Half joking. I just have a hard time seeing how some believe this was just a dumb moment but a single individual. Too much smoke for me

Nico didn't think Luka could win a championship.
He wanted to create a strong defense and surrounded Luka with defensive players but just couldn't make it work.

I understand the logic that you aren't ever going to win a championship if you can't lock in defensively as a team. I get wanting to trade Luka when you were concerned that his weight issues would make him a bad asset in a few years on a supermax.

The real issue for Nico is that he did not get enough value back for Luka. I think he was short a few FRPs. The trade was made worse because Kyrie and Davis both got injured soon after. Compounding it has been the fans not standing behind the team on the floor, I doubt any of the current non-rookie Mavs players want to play for the Mavs much longer because of the fans anti-team management sentiment. So now the Mavs really need to shop any players with value and rebuild a culture.

The real issue is that a top 4 player in the world was made available, and only 1 team was able to "bid". The mavs could have gotten just about anything they wanted from a ton of teams. What would the spurs have given to pair wemby + luka? Castle + other youth + 1sts for the next 7 years?

It wasnt 1-2 1sts short. You cant say we dont like luka because hes an injury concern while trading for AD who is mr glass and 7 years older. Ill never understand how anyone would buy that.

[Jojothewhale]

“Shaq said he wanted to go somewhere warm and did so to the team with the 2nd best odds, so the league is rigged,” is quite the take.

[LightTheBeam]

Wait your source is Shaq? I take it all back.... Shaq never just says stuff

But I also know that conspiracy folks don't care what the evidence says. So they say things like well we have no proof either way so I'm going to ignore all of the evidence we do have that points one direction and say its the same as what I just think with no evidence.

So I won't try to convince not to believe its all rigged for the Lakers. Because there is literally nothing you would accept because you've started with your desired conclusion and are working backwards. And there is no refuting someone who starts with a conclusion.

"Conspiracy folks" lol. Nice

[LightTheBeam]

Lots of straw man going on with the hive mind here. Yes shaq going to Orlando is the only evidence we have. Its not about Ewing, lebron, shaq, flagg, AD, Zion, wemby, or the league randomly doing favors for teams right after they give a superstar to the Lakers.

[Jojothewhale]

Lots of straw man going on with the hive mind here. Yes shaq going to Orlando is the only evidence we have. Its not about Ewing, lebron, shaq, flagg, AD, Zion, wemby, or the league randomly doing favors for teams right after they give a superstar to the Lakers.

Brother, I wish they actually did some of that. The Pelicans never should have been awarded Zion. Same goes for the Clippers and Blake Griffin. I'm a Sixers fan. They should have never gotten near Iverson. We as basketball fans lose out on so much when these completely dead franchises are entrusted with what should be 10-15 years of high end play.

I just think your arguments sound like a desperate need to make sense of things. For there to be a unifying point or vision there to be discovered. Weird outcomes happen. That's how probability works.

*Edit* Why on earth would the league want Wemby in San Antonio?! Is that a thing people think? They would want him in a media market.

[Scoot McGroot]

Half joking. I just have a hard time seeing how some believe this was just a dumb moment but a single individual. Too much smoke for me

Nico didn't think Luka could win a championship.
He wanted to create a strong defense and surrounded Luka with defensive players but just couldn't make it work.

I understand the logic that you aren't ever going to win a championship if you can't lock in defensively as a team. I get wanting to trade Luka when you were concerned that his weight issues would make him a bad asset in a few years on a supermax.

The real issue for Nico is that he did not get enough value back for Luka. I think he was short a few FRPs. The trade was made worse because Kyrie and Davis both got injured soon after. Compounding it has been the fans not standing behind the team on the floor, I doubt any of the current non-rookie Mavs players want to play for the Mavs much longer because of the fans anti-team management sentiment. So now the Mavs really need to shop any players with value and rebuild a culture.

The real issue is that a top 4 player in the world was made available, and only 1 team was able to "bid". The mavs could have gotten just about anything they wanted from a ton of teams. What would the spurs have given to pair wemby + luka? Castle + other youth + 1sts for the next 7 years?

It wasnt 1-2 1sts short. You cant say we dont like luka because hes an injury concern while trading for AD who is mr glass and 7 years older. Ill never understand how anyone would buy that.

Why contrive conspiracy when incompetence is simpler, and much more likely?

[LightTheBeam]

Nico didn't think Luka could win a championship.
He wanted to create a strong defense and surrounded Luka with defensive players but just couldn't make it work.

I understand the logic that you aren't ever going to win a championship if you can't lock in defensively as a team. I get wanting to trade Luka when you were concerned that his weight issues would make him a bad asset in a few years on a supermax.

The real issue for Nico is that he did not get enough value back for Luka. I think he was short a few FRPs. The trade was made worse because Kyrie and Davis both got injured soon after. Compounding it has been the fans not standing behind the team on the floor, I doubt any of the current non-rookie Mavs players want to play for the Mavs much longer because of the fans anti-team management sentiment. So now the Mavs really need to shop any players with value and rebuild a culture.

The real issue is that a top 4 player in the world was made available, and only 1 team was able to "bid". The mavs could have gotten just about anything they wanted from a ton of teams. What would the spurs have given to pair wemby + luka? Castle + other youth + 1sts for the next 7 years?

It wasnt 1-2 1sts short. You cant say we dont like luka because hes an injury concern while trading for AD who is mr glass and 7 years older. Ill never understand how anyone would buy that.

Why contrive conspiracy when incompetence is simpler, and much more likely?

Because even the worst GM's don't make that trade. This isn't Shai + boat load of picks for PG13 (and Kawhi). There is no rational that excuses this.

The explanation we received is insulting. The "started over a what if during a cup of coffee" is insulting. The "had to do it quietly because if word got out they were considering a Luka trade, oh no" is insulting.

Nobody trades a top 5 player in the league without shopping offers when said player hasn't asked out. Nico didn't become the GM yesterday. We watched him make solid trades for 3 years before this deal. We watched him make solid signings. You have to suspend logic to accept what we are being fed.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Nico didn't think Luka could win a championship.
He wanted to create a strong defense and surrounded Luka with defensive players but just couldn't make it work.

I understand the logic that you aren't ever going to win a championship if you can't lock in defensively as a team. I get wanting to trade Luka when you were concerned that his weight issues would make him a bad asset in a few years on a supermax.

The real issue for Nico is that he did not get enough value back for Luka. I think he was short a few FRPs. The trade was made worse because Kyrie and Davis both got injured soon after. Compounding it has been the fans not standing behind the team on the floor, I doubt any of the current non-rookie Mavs players want to play for the Mavs much longer because of the fans anti-team management sentiment. So now the Mavs really need to shop any players with value and rebuild a culture.

The real issue is that a top 4 player in the world was made available, and only 1 team was able to "bid". The mavs could have gotten just about anything they wanted from a ton of teams. What would the spurs have given to pair wemby + luka? Castle + other youth + 1sts for the next 7 years?

It wasnt 1-2 1sts short. You cant say we dont like luka because hes an injury concern while trading for AD who is mr glass and 7 years older. Ill never understand how anyone would buy that.

Why contrive conspiracy when incompetence is simpler, and much more likely?

lightthebeam has never heard of Occam's razor, and that in and of itself is my own application of Occam's razor.

[LightTheBeam]

The real issue is that a top 4 player in the world was made available, and only 1 team was able to "bid". The mavs could have gotten just about anything they wanted from a ton of teams. What would the spurs have given to pair wemby + luka? Castle + other youth + 1sts for the next 7 years?

It wasnt 1-2 1sts short. You cant say we dont like luka because hes an injury concern while trading for AD who is mr glass and 7 years older. Ill never understand how anyone would buy that.

Why contrive conspiracy when incompetence is simpler, and much more likely?

lightthebeam has never heard of Occam's razor, and that in and of itself is my own application of Occam's razor.

I actually think the simplest explanation is the league wanted to generate some buzz and ratings. Nice one though.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Why contrive conspiracy when incompetence is simpler, and much more likely?

lightthebeam has never heard of Occam's razor, and that in and of itself is my own application of Occam's razor.

I actually think the simplest explanation is the league wanted to generate some buzz and ratings. Nice one though.

Like when the league made the Kings relevant for one season and everyone was talking about 'light the beam'? That's also the league's doing, since they wanted to generate buzz and ratings.