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[LightTheBeam]

lightthebeam has never heard of Occam's razor, and that in and of itself is my own application of Occam's razor.

I actually think the simplest explanation is the league wanted to generate some buzz and ratings. Nice one though.

Like when the league made the Kings relevant for one season and everyone was talking about 'light the beam'? That's also the league's doing, since they wanted to generate buzz and ratings.

Potentially. I did think it was strange how a team who consistently finishes in the bottom 10 in ft differential suddenly was #2 (behind you guessed it, the Lakers putting up historic numbers for 4 years in a row).

But the Kings certainly don't generate ratings/revenue in the same world as the Lakers. So you'd need to connect a few more dots for me.

[Texas Chuck]

I mean there is always buzz around the Lakers. And ratings. Its why their local TV deal is nuts at a time when some teams basically can't get one.

And how long was the period between relevant Kobe and Lebron going to LA? Oh a long time. And the league didn't force Lebron over there. He chose to go there for his own business reasons. And the league never voids the Chris Paul deal if its just all about the Lakers.

But but but but....

They are the Lakers. Players want to play there. They are going to have more than their share of stars. I get that sucks for Dallas or Sacramento fans. We have to grow our own and then hope we don't trade them stupidly. But see Dallas did this before with Jason Kidd and the return was equally terrible. Sometimes teams just do dumb things. Really.

But you could come to the 6th floor museum here in Dallas and you'd be like but that's not what Oliver Stone and Kevin Costner told us so....

[daoneandonly]

Yea the history of Dallas getting rid of top tier PGs (Kidd, Brunson, Luka) without getting anything of value is just insulting and sad. Not even mentioning Nash because I thought it was the right move and they won a title which they may not have with him.

[daoneandonly]

Given how ATL is playing without Trae, is there a 3 team trade where AD (and maybe B-WIlliams) go to Atl, Trae to Team X, and Team X gives value Y to Dallas? If so what are the values of X and Y?

[HornetJail]

Given how ATL is playing without Trae, is there a 3 team trade where AD (and maybe B-WIlliams) go to Atl, Trae to Team X, and Team X gives value Y to Dallas? If so what are the values of X and Y?

No need for team x. If Atlanta is willing to do that swap, Dallas should take it and run

[Scoot McGroot]

The real issue is that a top 4 player in the world was made available, and only 1 team was able to "bid". The mavs could have gotten just about anything they wanted from a ton of teams. What would the spurs have given to pair wemby + luka? Castle + other youth + 1sts for the next 7 years?

It wasnt 1-2 1sts short. You cant say we dont like luka because hes an injury concern while trading for AD who is mr glass and 7 years older. Ill never understand how anyone would buy that.

Why contrive conspiracy when incompetence is simpler, and much more likely?

Because even the worst GM's don't make that trade. This isn't Shai + boat load of picks for PG13 (and Kawhi). There is no rational that excuses this.

The explanation we received is insulting. The "started over a what if during a cup of coffee" is insulting. The "had to do it quietly because if word got out they were considering a Luka trade, oh no" is insulting.

Nobody trades a top 5 player in the league without shopping offers when said player hasn't asked out. Nico didn't become the GM yesterday. We watched him make solid trades for 3 years before this deal. We watched him make solid signings. You have to suspend logic to accept what we are being fed.

Unless you’re saying Nico is really a genius, he could be the worst GM. The one that actually makes that deal. Because, he did make that deal. And now he’s fired for it.

Most bad GM’s don’t have new and hands off ownership that understands little of basketball. That’s new. But GM’s often get high off their own supply of overconfidence. Ed just saw it with Weaver in NO trading an unprotected first, etc.



To me, it makes MUCH more sense to simply see that Nico was dumb and overconfident. He’s not the first to do so. He just happened to also have Luka to be able to trade. Jerry Krause pushed away from Phil Jackson, Scotty Pippen, and Michael Jordan because he wanted to prove he could win one without them. This dumb stuff happens.

[LightTheBeam]

I mean there is always buzz around the Lakers. And ratings. Its why their local TV deal is nuts at a time when some teams basically can't get one.

And how long was the period between relevant Kobe and Lebron going to LA? Oh a long time. And the league didn't force Lebron over there. He chose to go there for his own business reasons. And the league never voids the Chris Paul deal if its just all about the Lakers.

But but but but....

They are the Lakers. Players want to play there. They are going to have more than their share of stars. I get that sucks for Dallas or Sacramento fans. We have to grow our own and then hope we don't trade them stupidly. But see Dallas did this before with Jason Kidd and the return was equally terrible. Sometimes teams just do dumb things. Really.

But you could come to the 6th floor museum here in Dallas and you'd be like but that's not what Oliver Stone and Kevin Costner told us so....

I get your mind is made up here, and no amount of red flags will change it. But I think its extremely important to give context.

As of 2012-2013 the Lakers had Nash, Dwight, Gasol, Artest, Kobe. The following year Kobe got injured and was never the same. Short of randomly adding prime Lebron to that squad (and even then), they stood no chance of being relevant. There was a 2 year gap prior to Lebron coming to town. 12 months later AD joined him.

The CP3 trade happened while the NBA owned the Hornets. It was in their best interest not to sell CP3 for peanuts as they attempted to find a buyer.

but but but...

I get teams make stupid decisions. Let's not try and make a false comparison between 23 year old Kidd in the midst of a 10/9 season to Luka fresh off the NBA finals.

[Godaddycurse]

Why contrive conspiracy when incompetence is simpler, and much more likely?

Because even the worst GM's don't make that trade. This isn't Shai + boat load of picks for PG13 (and Kawhi). There is no rational that excuses this.

The explanation we received is insulting. The "started over a what if during a cup of coffee" is insulting. The "had to do it quietly because if word got out they were considering a Luka trade, oh no" is insulting.

Nobody trades a top 5 player in the league without shopping offers when said player hasn't asked out. Nico didn't become the GM yesterday. We watched him make solid trades for 3 years before this deal. We watched him make solid signings. You have to suspend logic to accept what we are being fed.

Unless you’re saying Nico is really a genius, he could be the worst GM. The one that actually makes that deal. Because, he did make that deal. And now he’s fired for it.

Most bad GM’s don’t have new and hands off ownership that understands little of basketball. That’s new. But GM’s often get high off their own supply of overconfidence. Ed just saw it with Weaver in NO trading an unprotected first, etc.



To me, it makes MUCH more sense to simply see that Nico was dumb and overconfident. He’s not the first to do so. He just happened to also have Luka to be able to trade. Jerry Krause pushed away from Phil Jackson, Scotty Pippen, and Michael Jordan because he wanted to prove he could win one without them. This dumb stuff happens.

i agree nico could just be dumb for trading luka, the part that fuels conspiracy talk is the pathetic return he accepted.

[daoneandonly]

Given how ATL is playing without Trae, is there a 3 team trade where AD (and maybe B-WIlliams) go to Atl, Trae to Team X, and Team X gives value Y to Dallas? If so what are the values of X and Y?

No need for team x. If Atlanta is willing to do that swap, Dallas should take it and run

Dallas would have to trade Kyrie then, and Id prefer Ky to Trae all things considering

[theBigLip]

To be fair, adding a high level player and not giving up core pieces doesn't make sense, either.

Agreed as well, hence trying to load up the FRPs to compensate

This argument reminded me of a pitch I made for Cade that you almost bought in on. Other Pistons fans were almost universally opposed, as I now expect Grizzlies fans would be for their former DPOY. Some interesting comments in the thread in retrospect.

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Great stuff

I certainly thought Hendricks would be more than he is.

[LightTheBeam]

Because even the worst GM's don't make that trade. This isn't Shai + boat load of picks for PG13 (and Kawhi). There is no rational that excuses this.

The explanation we received is insulting. The "started over a what if during a cup of coffee" is insulting. The "had to do it quietly because if word got out they were considering a Luka trade, oh no" is insulting.

Nobody trades a top 5 player in the league without shopping offers when said player hasn't asked out. Nico didn't become the GM yesterday. We watched him make solid trades for 3 years before this deal. We watched him make solid signings. You have to suspend logic to accept what we are being fed.

Unless you’re saying Nico is really a genius, he could be the worst GM. The one that actually makes that deal. Because, he did make that deal. And now he’s fired for it.

Most bad GM’s don’t have new and hands off ownership that understands little of basketball. That’s new. But GM’s often get high off their own supply of overconfidence. Ed just saw it with Weaver in NO trading an unprotected first, etc.



To me, it makes MUCH more sense to simply see that Nico was dumb and overconfident. He’s not the first to do so. He just happened to also have Luka to be able to trade. Jerry Krause pushed away from Phil Jackson, Scotty Pippen, and Michael Jordan because he wanted to prove he could win one without them. This dumb stuff happens.

i agree nico could just be dumb for trading luka, the part that fuels conspiracy talk is the pathetic return he accepted.

Honestly. If the trade was Reaves + AD + every pick and swap the Lakers could possibly include. Id at least understand the guy thinks hes the smartest person in the room trading Luka before he breaks down.

But accepting 5 cents on the dollar and leaving picks on the table that supposedly rob balked at. Come on now.

[mlloyd10]

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So pity

Is there a worse organization than the Pacers - Just let it go...Geez.

[ReggiesKnicks]

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So pity

Is there a worse organization than the Pacers - Just let it go...Geez.

I don't recall the Pacers slandering Myles before Myles opened his mouth and expressed his discontent first.

Did I miss that part?

[mlloyd10]

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So pity

Is there a worse organization than the Pacers - Just let it go...Geez.

I don't recall the Pacers slandering Myles before Myles opened his mouth and expressed his discontent first.

Did I miss that part?

They boo'd him when he came back . Like C'mon

[SkyHook]

Agreed as well, hence trying to load up the FRPs to compensate

This argument reminded me of a pitch I made for Cade that you almost bought in on. Other Pistons fans were almost universally opposed, as I now expect Grizzlies fans would be for their former DPOY. Some interesting comments in the thread in retrospect.

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Great stuff

I certainly thought Hendricks would be more than he is.

He's teased his potential in a couple of games this season, but still seems cautious coming back from the broken leg. The subsequent hammy injury might have been because he was compensating. I still have hope that he'll be a solid starter in the league. We'll see.

[ReggiesKnicks]

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So pity

Is there a worse organization than the Pacers - Just let it go...Geez.

I don't recall the Pacers slandering Myles before Myles opened his mouth and expressed his discontent first.

Did I miss that part?

They boo'd him when he came back . Like C'mon

That was the fans, not the organization

[mlloyd10]

I don't recall the Pacers slandering Myles before Myles opened his mouth and expressed his discontent first.

Did I miss that part?

They boo'd him when he came back . Like C'mon

That was the fans, not the organization

Still very pity...Like a jealous ex girlfriend

[shangrila]

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So pity

Is there a worse organization than the Pacers - Just let it go...Geez.

I don't recall the Pacers slandering Myles before Myles opened his mouth and expressed his discontent first.

Did I miss that part?

I'll admit I didn't follow it every single year, but did the Pacers ever come out and emphatically shut down the trade rumours that popped up about Myles every season.

I can understand him being salty about that, especially if they turned around and tried to "low ball" him with a contract after he helped get them to their first Finals.

[Texas Chuck]

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I get your mind is made up here, and no amount of red flags will change it. But I think its extremely important to give context.

So important, we agree on that.
And yes my mind is made up. But also the moment I start falling into the General Board trap of everything is rigged, then I stop following the product. While I appreciate the skill and the highlight plays, I'd have little interest in just an exhibition. Haven't watched an all-star game in 30 years. So if the product is just a show and not a competition, I'm out.

Now pro wrestling and scripted "reality" TV are very popular. So no judgment from me if you would still watch and post about a product you believe wasn't on the up and up. By for my sports? I need the competition aspect.

And I believe its there. Knicks and Clippers were terrible forever in big markets. Bulls haven't been relevant in a decade. OKC looks like a budding dynasty perhaps only thwarted by Wemby in San Antonio-- a market so important they only have the one major pro sports team(couldn't even beat out Austin for MLS) yet the league decided to make the most successful franchise by far of the last quarter century but it goes back 30 years beyond that.

So for every Pat Ewing we get Oden or Zion or Wemby or AD or Lebron ending up in bad markets. But we are to ignore that. Or invent some new reason why that is best for the Lakers?

The amount of gynmastics and conjecture required for you to be right is just wild. But then its more wild how much investment you seem to still have in a product.

I think the hard truth is its hard to accept when the franchise we root for sucks this long. So we are desperate to find out how its out of their control. They would dominate if not for the rigging. And you have that one game 7 against the Lakers always in the back of your mind as "proof". Nope, the little Mavs really were just incompetent prior to Cuban and now post Cuban. Cuban is flawed, but on the basketball side he was a top notch governor. Kings haven't had one of those maybe ever and certainly not in 2 decades. Hopefully you guys get one. But until then, you will hunt for stuff so you don't have to accept the incompetence.

[CP War Hawks]

Given how ATL is playing without Trae, is there a 3 team trade where AD (and maybe B-WIlliams) go to Atl, Trae to Team X, and Team X gives value Y to Dallas? If so what are the values of X and Y?

No, if you want to swap an often injured big for another, that's a possibility. But in irl, ATL isn't touching ADs contract.