ATL - Nico gets the boot

[paulpressey25]

Kyshawn George, Ryan Dunn, Filipowski, Ajay Mitchell, Jaylen Wells, Jamal Shead, Adem Bona, Quinten Post. Could have literally just thrown a dart at a dart-board while blindfolded and come away with two useful rotation players. But Horst gonna Horst.

His drafting has been terrible since 2017. It's why we are here today.

[jakecronus8]

Kyshawn George, Ryan Dunn, Filipowski, Ajay Mitchell, Jaylen Wells, Jamal Shead, Adem Bona, Quinten Post. Could have literally just thrown a dart at a dart-board while blindfolded and come away with two useful rotation players. But Horst gonna Horst.

His drafting has been terrible since 2017. It's why we are here today.

While I do think there is probably too many people that base their knowledge of prospects off of mock drafts, it is incredibly frustrating that you could take any of the well known "experts" consensus top available as your draft strategy over the last 30 years and far outperform what the Bucks' front office has done and are paid millions to do. Like at some point does Horst just Costanza his drafts and try to find the antithesis of whomever he has as his top prospect? He's been other worldly terrible at this.

[DingleJerry]

In addition, at the time of having contending level teams and a top 2 player so many of his picks were development swings where you know even in best case it'll take time for to be ready to play real minutes on a winner rather than focusing on higher floor ready to play types with far more likely chance to contribute. Contending time isn't when you should be taking multi year HR swing flyers.

[BUCKnation]

In addition, at the time of having contending level teams and a top 2 player so many of his picks were development swings where you know even in best case it'll take time for to be ready to play real minutes on a winner rather than focusing on higher floor ready to play types with far more likely chance to contribute. Contending time isn't when you should be taking multi year HR swing flyers.

I think Horst is generally a good GM, but his draft strategy is basically a continuation of Hammond trying to repeat his success with Giannis and to a smaller extent Jennings, but not learning the lessons of actually getting good results from someone more seasoned like Brogdon or Donte. Granted, we've basically had no picks since Donte, but going for 2 swings in that draft was irresponsible.

[paulpressey25]

In addition, at the time of having contending level teams and a top 2 player so many of his picks were development swings where you know even in best case it'll take time for to be ready to play real minutes on a winner rather than focusing on higher floor ready to play types with far more likely chance to contribute. Contending time isn't when you should be taking multi year HR swing flyers.

Or you use the pick in a draft day trade. It always felt to me like you could have moved Pat and the Marjon pick on draft night for some decent vet. A Royce O'Neal or a Dorian Finney Smith or the like.

Or last year you move the AJ Johnson pick for a vet contributor.

[Ron Swanson]

Saying he's had an identical draft philosophy is an insult to Hammond. Hams whiffed on Potsie and Thon, but he had a penchant for always finding value at our pick spot (Jennings, LRMAM, Giannis, Larry, Tobes, Brogdon). The theme of Horst is that it doesn't matter what kind of prospect he zeroes in on. Young projects (AJ, Tyler Smith), older projects (DJ Wilson, Marjon), college pedigree guys (Ajax). Dude just has zero eye for talent.

[Matches Malone]

Kyshawn George, Ryan Dunn, Filipowski, Ajay Mitchell, Jaylen Wells, Jamal Shead, Adem Bona, Quinten Post. Could have literally just thrown a dart at a dart-board while blindfolded and come away with two useful rotation players. But Horst gonna Horst.

His drafting has been terrible since 2017. It's why we are here today.

This board picks better players with our draft polls than Horst does . Probably be cheaper to just cut the scouting department and come here for intel.

[Jez2983]

LaMelo Ball has probably been discussed here. And we don't have the assets for him. But I would 100% trade for him. He would listen to Doc. So hopefully Doc could get him on board with playing a team oriented style before we gave Doc the boot.

[Ron Swanson]

LaMelo Ball has probably been discussed here. And we don't have the assets for him. But I would 100% trade for him. He would listen to Doc. So hopefully Doc could get him on board with playing a team oriented style before we gave Doc the boot.

A move like this makes even more sense if you're giving Doc the boot. Young guy (24) with elite offensive upside and signed long term. It could absolutely backfire but these are the kinds of risks we basically have to take at this point.

[emunney]

It's weird because our pro scouting seems good and our amateur scouting seems bad. Yet we've cut bait early on two really good late 2nd round picks in Merrill and Mamu.

[Plossum]

LaMelo Ball has probably been discussed here. And we don't have the assets for him. But I would 100% trade for him. He would listen to Doc. So hopefully Doc could get him on board with playing a team oriented style before we gave Doc the boot.

A move like this makes even more sense if you're giving Doc the boot. Young guy (24) with elite offensive upside and signed long term. It could absolutely backfire but these are the kinds of risks we basically have to take at this point.

I really think doing stuff like this is just bucketing water out of an already sinking boat.

Can we honestly look at our squad and think “we’re just a Lamelo Ball away from being relevant!”

Our future lies in the value Giannis can return now. It really sucks to confront but we are so far off the pace of the best teams that’s is probably time to burn it down and start again.

[MikeIsGood]

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Happy for Chucky. I don't think he's an NBA player // not trying to make any statement on him, just caught my eye.

[drew881]

The Celtics cup floor is so hideous

[Matches Malone]

Not having your pick would suck, but at least Fears/Queen seem like decent building blocks for New Orleans.

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[Plossum]

Has there been a bigger waste of talent in the past 25 years than Zion? I can’t recall such a promising talent that has failed so miserably.

The only guy I can think of that comes close is Oden and he obv had the bad luck with injury. Zion is just flat out lazy.

[ReasonablySober]

Has there been a bigger waste of talent in the past 25 years than Zion? I can’t recall such a promising talent that has failed so miserably.

The only guy I can think of that comes close is Oden and he obv had the bad luck with injury. Zion is just flat out lazy.

I don't know, man. He's really good when he plays.

[ShootingtheJ]

LaMelo Ball has probably been discussed here. And we don't have the assets for him. But I would 100% trade for him. He would listen to Doc. So hopefully Doc could get him on board with playing a team oriented style before we gave Doc the boot.

He never plays basketball, so how good he can be is irrelevant unfortunately.

[ShootingtheJ]

The Celtics cup floor is so hideous

Their team isn't very good either. We've had bad moments, but we haven't lost to the Nets in a cup game.

[ShootingtheJ]

In addition, at the time of having contending level teams and a top 2 player so many of his picks were development swings where you know even in best case it'll take time for to be ready to play real minutes on a winner rather than focusing on higher floor ready to play types with far more likely chance to contribute. Contending time isn't when you should be taking multi year HR swing flyers.

I think Horst is generally a good GM, but his draft strategy is basically a continuation of Hammond trying to repeat his success with Giannis and to a smaller extent Jennings, but not learning the lessons of actually getting good results from someone more seasoned like Brogdon or Donte. Granted, we've basically had no picks since Donte, but going for 2 swings in that draft was irresponsible.

Horst is an abysmal GM that was gifted Giannis, Khris, and a full cupboard of picks.

All he has left now is Giannis, and a couple of guys he was able to pick up for nothing because they have criminal records (KPJ,Rollins)

[Ayt]

In addition, at the time of having contending level teams and a top 2 player so many of his picks were development swings where you know even in best case it'll take time for to be ready to play real minutes on a winner rather than focusing on higher floor ready to play types with far more likely chance to contribute. Contending time isn't when you should be taking multi year HR swing flyers.

I think Horst is generally a good GM, but his draft strategy is basically a continuation of Hammond trying to repeat his success with Giannis and to a smaller extent Jennings, but not learning the lessons of actually getting good results from someone more seasoned like Brogdon or Donte. Granted, we've basically had no picks since Donte, but going for 2 swings in that draft was irresponsible.

Horst is an abysmal GM that was gifted Giannis, Khris, and a full cupboard of picks.

All he has left now is Giannis, and a couple of guys he was able to pick up for nothing because they have criminal records (KPJ,Rollins)

That opinion would not hold up under any scrutiny when looking at the moves he made which led to a championship.