NFC East

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Who will win the division next season?

Commanders
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Cowboys
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Eagles
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Re: NFC East 

Post#3601 » by Cactus Jack » Thu Nov 20, 2025 8:12 pm

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I love this because my father is a diehard Washington fan for his entire life. I just love rubbing it in about the drop off by that team this year.

But damn the NFL can be so hard to predict sometimes. Washington with a rookie stud QB makes it to the NFC championship. They spend some money in the offseason and boom. They're one of the worst teams in the league this season. I get Jayden got hurt, but even when he was healthy that team was rough to watch. And he's another one of these young QBs that lit the world on fire as a rookie, then saw a soph slump. And ya that defense is just a bunch of traffic cones at this point

They have little to no pass rush & the scheme is very vanilla.
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Post#3602 » by Duke4life831 » Thu Nov 20, 2025 8:12 pm

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therealbig3 wrote:Eh, I'd love to hate on the Cowboys too, but I agree, paying Micah Parson QB-level money is insanity in my opinion. He's a defensive player, and he's one guy. You're much better served investing that money into multiple players. And it's not like the players they got as a result of the Micah trade are bums, they're Pro Bowlers in their own right (Williams and Clark).

I feel the same way about Myles Garrett, who's even more dominant than Micah. I just don't think he's ever going to impact a game enough to rival a good QB, but that's how he's being paid.

Ya to be clear, if there is a non QB that is worth QB money in my eyes, its Garrett. Dude is a legit freak. But with that said, if my team isnt contending, Im not paying Garrett.

Because you get exactly what you get right now in Cleveland. Now obviously you cant overlook the Watson contract. But if youre going to give out QB money to a non QB, you better have the roster in place to compete right now. If not, youre going to be pretty strapped for cash to build out your roster. Same thing goes for the Bengals. Most teams can afford to pay 1 big time offensive weapon (non QB), because usually thats around 8-10% of the cap. But now you add 2 high paid WRs, well now you got 15-20% of your cap tied up in WRs. Then you add in Burrow's cap hit, you got 30-40% of your cap taken up by 3 guys, all on the offense. Good luck trying to fix one of the worst defenses in the league, while also trying to fix a bad O line with that much of your cap taken up.

I know it sounds crazy, but if I was Cleveland, I wouldve traded Garrett. But Im sure there was also pressure from the owner to keep Garrett. Because on the business side of things, things couldve gotten real bad up in Cleveland if they traded him away. Dallas doesnt ever have to ever really worry about that because its Dallas. They're receive a lot of initial media hate. But the fans arent ever going anywhere.

That’s what Cowboys fans have been saying about Micah. Is Micah great at rushing the passer? Absolutely. But they already had Micah and had one of the worst defenses in the NFL. Let’s see where the Cowboys end up in defense by the end of the season. My guess is they will be better with Williams/Clark than they were with Micah.

Yup. And again I love making fun of Dallas haha, but I even said this on here back when the trade happened. NOt a fan of Micah being in the North now. But it was smart for Dallas to trade him. Youre already paying Dak, youre already paying Lamb. If you were to add Micah to that list, thats basically it. You better hope you hit HR after HR in the draft or youre the ultimate bargain shoppers in FA. If not, youve basically locked in the ceiling of your roster.

Now obviously there are so many ways to manipulate the cap. But still, youre working with your hands tied behind your back. But now with that trade, you got extra draft picks which led to bringing in Pickens and now Williams. And now you go from having a bad interior D line to one of the best and those guys are locked up for years. Plus going back to manipulating the cap, easier to push around and fudge the books to free up some cap with multiple guys taking up 7-8% of your cap. Vs 1 guy taking up 15+% of your cap.

So pretty much you guys got more players, more picks, and easier cap management this way. Jerry and Dallas took a lot of heat when it went down, but ya it was the smart move to make. You only sign Micah to that deal, if your D is set and you think youre in position to win the Superbowl now.
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Re: NFC East 

Post#3603 » by Duke4life831 » Thu Nov 20, 2025 8:13 pm

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I love this because my father is a diehard Washington fan for his entire life. I just love rubbing it in about the drop off by that team this year.

But damn the NFL can be so hard to predict sometimes. Washington with a rookie stud QB makes it to the NFC championship. They spend some money in the offseason and boom. They're one of the worst teams in the league this season. I get Jayden got hurt, but even when he was healthy that team was rough to watch. And he's another one of these young QBs that lit the world on fire as a rookie, then saw a soph slump. And ya that defense is just a bunch of traffic cones at this point

They have little to no pass rush & the scheme is very vanilla.

Both sides its extremely vanilla. The offense is so predictable and that defense gets no pressure while sitting in a deep 2 man shell. My dad visited when they played the Cowboys a few weeks back. The dude was cussing up a storm about how predictable they were haha.
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Re: NFC East 

Post#3604 » by QB_Eagles » Thu Nov 20, 2025 8:16 pm

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therealbig3 wrote:Eh, I'd love to hate on the Cowboys too, but I agree, paying Micah Parson QB-level money is insanity in my opinion. He's a defensive player, and he's one guy. You're much better served investing that money into multiple players. And it's not like the players they got as a result of the Micah trade are bums, they're Pro Bowlers in their own right (Williams and Clark).

I feel the same way about Myles Garrett, who's even more dominant than Micah. I just don't think he's ever going to impact a game enough to rival a good QB, but that's how he's being paid.

They'd be better off paying Micah QB money than Dak.

In a vacuum I don't even think Micah was a bad trade. It's the fact that Jerry is trading away a player who is Top 3 at his position while making 6th-10th best at their position the highest paid that puts his roster building into question.

Also I disagree that getting two DTs for Micah is *clearly* the better option, as Cowboys fans are claiming now. I could agree if the argument was about marginally better. But marginally better doesn't make me want to praise Jerry like some of his fans are doing.

Micah not everything you think he is. He’s a 1 dimensional player. Great at rushing the passer and below average as a run stopper and in coverage. If the Cowboys can generate as many sacks as they did with Micah while also being able to stop the run, then the trade was absolutely worth it.

Before the trade happened I said Garrett and TJ Watt are better and you guys wouldn't have it lmao. How things changed.
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Re: NFC East 

Post#3605 » by El Turco » Thu Nov 20, 2025 8:19 pm

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Cowboys played a bunch of cupcakes, are 4th worst in point allowed but "competitive" :lol:


Yeah, it’s wild that Buffalo with the second-best pass defense is in the same tier as the 30th ranked Cowboys. Even worse, Baltimore is in the second tier despite having the 26th-ranked defense. He totally pulled that out of his ass lol.
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Re: NFC East 

Post#3606 » by Cactus Jack » Thu Nov 20, 2025 8:20 pm

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Cactus Jack wrote:They have little to no pass rush & the scheme is very vanilla.

Both sides its extremely vanilla. The offense is so predictable and that defense gets no pressure while sitting in a deep 2 man shell. My dad visited when they played the Cowboys a few weeks back. The dude was cussing up a storm about how predictable they were haha.

Yeah, it looks very similar to how the Hawks looked under Carroll, his last couple of years. Way too predictable.
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Post#3607 » by El Turco » Thu Nov 20, 2025 8:25 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:But now with that trade, you got extra draft picks which led to bringing in Pickens and now Williams.


Pickens trade was before the Micah trade by about 4 months.
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Re: NFC East 

Post#3608 » by El Turco » Thu Nov 20, 2025 8:35 pm

Commanders lost 3 starters and 3 other depth guys from their defensive line that was one of the best in pressuring the quarterback, also a safety that was ideal for blitzing. They tried to moneyball their replacements but it obviously hasn't worked. Kinlaw and Wise sucks.
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Re: NFC East 

Post#3609 » by Mr B » Thu Nov 20, 2025 9:10 pm

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QB_Eagles wrote:They'd be better off paying Micah QB money than Dak.

In a vacuum I don't even think Micah was a bad trade. It's the fact that Jerry is trading away a player who is Top 3 at his position while making 6th-10th best at their position the highest paid that puts his roster building into question.

Also I disagree that getting two DTs for Micah is *clearly* the better option, as Cowboys fans are claiming now. I could agree if the argument was about marginally better. But marginally better doesn't make me want to praise Jerry like some of his fans are doing.

Micah not everything you think he is. He’s a 1 dimensional player. Great at rushing the passer and below average as a run stopper and in coverage. If the Cowboys can generate as many sacks as they did with Micah while also being able to stop the run, then the trade was absolutely worth it.

Before the trade happened I said Garrett and TJ Watt are better and you guys wouldn't have it lmao. How things changed.

Garrett is better because he also plays the run. TJ is not better than Micah. He’s really good but not as good as Micah. Micah is younger too right?
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Re: NFC East 

Post#3610 » by Mr B » Thu Nov 20, 2025 9:13 pm

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Cowboys played a bunch of cupcakes, are 4th worst in point allowed but "competitive" :lol:


Yeah, it’s wild that Buffalo with the second-best pass defense is in the same tier as the 30th ranked Cowboys. Even worse, Baltimore is in the second tier despite having the 26th-ranked defense. He totally pulled that out of his ass lol.

The chart says Week 12 defenses. It doesn’t say up to week 12. So that tells me this person is only speaking for week 12 and not for how the defenses performed up to week 12. The Cowboys should be competitive for week 12.
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Post#3611 » by QB_Eagles » Thu Nov 20, 2025 9:49 pm

Mr B wrote: The Cowboys should be competitive for week 12.

Only because they will face the trash Eagles offense.
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Post#3612 » by Jaydubb » Thu Nov 20, 2025 10:00 pm

What’s more trash, the eagles offense or cowboys defense
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Post#3613 » by Cactus Jack » Thu Nov 20, 2025 10:22 pm

Jaydubb wrote:What’s more trash, the eagles offense or cowboys defense

I smell an upset! :wink:
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Post#3614 » by Cactus Jack » Thu Nov 20, 2025 10:44 pm

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Post#3615 » by bluejerseyjinx » Thu Nov 20, 2025 11:00 pm

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Jaydubb wrote:What’s more trash, the eagles offense or cowboys defense

I smell an upset! :wink:

I bet you smell more than that coming from those Egal trolls this week. :wink: :thinking: :eyebrows:
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Post#3616 » by Jaydubb » Thu Nov 20, 2025 11:07 pm

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Jaydubb wrote:What’s more trash, the eagles offense or cowboys defense

I smell an upset! :wink:

I bet you smell more than that coming from those Egal trolls this week. :wink: :thinking: :eyebrows:

You are probably the only poster that watches their team/s get upset multiple times every single week.
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Post#3617 » by Mr B » Yesterday 1:59 am

Jaydubb wrote:What’s more trash, the eagles offense or cowboys defense

Cowboys defense by far. With their trash DT’s.
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Post#3618 » by Mr B » Yesterday 2:00 am

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Jaydubb wrote:What’s more trash, the eagles offense or cowboys defense

I smell an upset! :wink:

Classic trap game.
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Post#3619 » by Jaydubb » Yesterday 3:11 am

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Jaydubb wrote:What’s more trash, the eagles offense or cowboys defense

Cowboys defense by far. With their trash DT’s.

The eagles interior OL is banged up too. I do think the cowboys match up well with the eagles overall
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Re: NFC East 

Post#3620 » by Cactus Jack » Yesterday 3:27 am

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Jaydubb wrote:What’s more trash, the eagles offense or cowboys defense

Cowboys defense by far. With their trash DT’s.

The eagles interior OL is banged up too. I do think the cowboys match up well with the eagles overall

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