Trade Talk (Part 18): Early Season Panic Edition

[cmoss84]

I think people got used to the idea of trading Julius as a salary-matching piece right after we made the KAT trade, and haven’t readjusted their opinions to reflect his production or value to the team over the last eight months.

Julius is vastly out-producing all these guys people conceptualize as stars, and he wants to be in MIN!

I appreciate what Julius is doing. Just think we could sell high and balance the roster at the same time.

[Klomp]

I think people got used to the idea of trading Julius as a salary-matching piece right after we made the KAT trade, and haven’t readjusted their opinions to reflect his production or value to the team over the last eight months.

Julius is vastly out-producing all these guys people conceptualize as stars, and he wants to be in MIN!

Honestly, I'm not sure sights are high enough. It's not so much the idea of trading him that is crazy. It's the guys we are discussing as targets.

Go get Giannis!

[KGdaBom]

I think people got used to the idea of trading Julius as a salary-matching piece right after we made the KAT trade, and haven’t readjusted their opinions to reflect his production or value to the team over the last eight months.

Julius is vastly out-producing all these guys people conceptualize as stars, and he wants to be in MIN!

I appreciate what Julius is doing. Just think we could sell high and balance the roster at the same time.

Proposing we trade Julius for Nembhard or Ja is NOT selling high. I don't believe trading him for LaMelo Ball is selling High. If we can truly make a trade that is selling high I could get behind it.

[KGdaBom]

I think people got used to the idea of trading Julius as a salary-matching piece right after we made the KAT trade, and haven’t readjusted their opinions to reflect his production or value to the team over the last eight months.

Julius is vastly out-producing all these guys people conceptualize as stars, and he wants to be in MIN!

Honestly, I'm not sure sights are high enough. It's not so much the idea of trading him that is crazy. It's the guys we are discussing as targets.

Go get Giannis!

Giannis would be intriguing. Devin Booker... Maxey, I'm trying to think of players we could get for Ju that I would consider it selling him high. Donovan Mitchell, Scottie Barnes?

[cmoss84]

How about this one?
BroGiannis is waived. Then...

Rudy, Randle, and Rob
For
Giannis, Anthony, and broGiannis

PG Mike and Cole Anthony (Alvarado for soon)
SG Ant/DDV/Clark/TSJ
SF Jaden/Ant/TSJ/Clark
PF Naz/Giannis/Jaden
C Giannis/Naz/JB (FA vet)

[cmoss84]

Last one for me...but I much prefer trading for Harden than Giannis.

Something like Randle, RD, and TSJ
FOR
Harden and Paul

Harden. ANT. Jaden. Naz. Rudy.
I think this is my favorite trade opportunity.

[Klomp]

I would love to get Jalen Johnson from Atlanta, but I don't think the Hawks would bite.

[KGdaBom]

I would love to get Jalen Johnson from Atlanta, but I don't think the Hawks would bite.

Ju for Jalen Johnson I would do. I think. He's so young and skies the limit.

[KGdaBom]

Last one for me...but I much prefer trading for Harden than Giannis.

Something like Randle, RD, and TSJ
FOR
Harden and Paul

Harden. ANT. Jaden. Naz. Rudy.
I think this is my favorite trade opportunity.

Many thought Harden was finished when he left Philly. They were wrong. He's playing very well right now, but he's a 1year 2 year at most all in.

[Klomp]

I doubt it would go anywhere, but I would be curious to check how Cleveland is feeling about Evan Mobley. Apron makes it tricky too.

[Wolveswin]

I think people got used to the idea of trading Julius as a salary-matching piece right after we made the KAT trade, and haven’t readjusted their opinions to reflect his production or value to the team over the last eight months.

Julius is vastly out-producing all these guys people conceptualize as stars, and he wants to be in MIN!

Honestly, I'm not sure sights are high enough. It's not so much the idea of trading him that is crazy. It's the guys we are discussing as targets.

Go get Giannis!

Giannis would be intriguing. Devin Booker... Maxey, I'm trying to think of players we could get for Ju that I would consider it selling him high. Donovan Mitchell, Scottie Barnes?

This isn’t being realistic. None of those teams consider those players for Randle. Not close really.

[Slim Tubby]

I would like to see Slomo back. We are clearly missing of IQ when things are tough and Slomo is a smart player.

As long as he doesn’t shoot ever just rebounds and plays defense lol

I'm not sure if you're a Gopher Hoops fan but you just described Miles Tarver to perfection.

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[KGdaBom]

Honestly, I'm not sure sights are high enough. It's not so much the idea of trading him that is crazy. It's the guys we are discussing as targets.

Go get Giannis!

Giannis would be intriguing. Devin Booker... Maxey, I'm trying to think of players we could get for Ju that I would consider it selling him high. Donovan Mitchell, Scottie Barnes?

This isn’t being realistic. None of those teams consider those players for Randle. Not close really.

If we're selling high they would. Anything less than that we're selling low.

[shangrila]

I just don't see it.

I'm not a Ja fan anyways, but I can't see how you can do anything but play him on the ball. He just doesn't have off the ball skills.

Like when Atlanta tried to play Trae and Murray together and it was a disaster because neither was effective without dominating the ball.

You'd need to look beyond the traditional off ball shooter/spacer role and get creative. For an example, think of the difference between early and late season Jaden last year. From him just sitting in the corner to him cutting into gaps. It's the same overall concept of being off ball but a different application.

Ja on this team could work. It would involve a fundamental change in the team's identity, as they'd need to become even faster and more transition oriented, but it could work. And if it requires buy in then I have faith in Finch for that; for whatever complaints people might have about him as a coach, no one can deny that he's excellent at working with players and particularly star players.

I know it's not apples to apples, but I couldn't resist.

While I get the memes, it's odd to me that there's now this idea that Ja has never had success in the league. Memphis had some great seasons with him at the helm.

And while I'm sure you're ready to counter with the fact those teams never went deep, that was the same argument we heard for years about KAT and then again about Randle.

For the record, I'm not really advocating for him. I think he'd be an interesting pick up, but if the team remained mostly as is during the season (which is the most likely outcome) I'd be fine with that too. But like most discussions around here the pendulum seems to have swung too far in the opposite direction. There's plenty of negatives that can be raised about Ja beyond trying to push that he's a losing player.

[minimus]

LaMelo, Morant, Young, possibly Garland. It could be a massive PG trade market if not all apron restrictions.

[winforlose]

My concern about Rudy is that he is already 33 and every year his money will get harder to move. Assuming Randle is a value contract and Jaden can maintain his current level of play, we are in an interesting position moving forward. Many of our talent are pre prime or soon to enter their prime. Ant, Jaden, Naz, TSJ, Joan, are all looking long term pieces in what could be very special. We have question mark players in Dilly, Clark, and Rocco who could all turn out to be useful as well. If we could turn Rudy into a young guard who fits well with Ant and would stick around, while also replacing some of what Rudy gives, that would be amazing. Rudy offensively is rather pedestrian for a big. He sets some nice screens and is decent on the roll, but his lack of back to the basket moves and his poor hands offset some of the upside he provides. His defense is special, but if we lost 20-30% of that value and got a younger player with more offensive upside and untapped defensive potential, that would be good too. I cannot help but feel any trade that brings real talent in sends out Rudy.

[shrink]

I think we would lose more games trading Rudy than we would if we traded Ant.

That’s how vital he is to what we need on our roster.

[winforlose]

I think we would lose more games trading Rudy than we would if we traded Ant.

That’s how vital he is to our roster.

For the sake of argument let’s concede the point. Who is easier to replace Rudy or Ant?

[Norseman79]

This works via fanspro

ATL in: Gobert, Miller
Out: Johnson

CLE in: Randle, DD, pick
Out: Mobley

MN in: Mobely Johnson
Out: Gobert, Randle, DDV, Miller, draft

PG???, Conley, Dilly
SG Ant, Clark
SF Johnson, Shannon
PF, McDaniels, Naz
C. Mobley, Joan, Rocco

Weird but potentially fun if they found the right pg

[frankenwolf]

I think we would lose more games trading Rudy than we would if we traded Ant.

That’s how vital he is to our roster.

For the sake of argument let’s concede the point. Who is easier to replace Rudy or Ant?

No, I will not concede the point. Yes, Rudy is VERY important to our defense, but what if there was a C that had good hands and a higher offensive upside than Rudy? We may not win games the same way, but I believe if we replace Rudy with Sengun or Mobley then our defense suffers a little but our offense expands. I do not think we would lose more games by trading Rudy. Rudy is the easier one to replace, but if we are open to trading anyone, then there would definitely be more interest in Ant than Rudy.

OTOH, what do I know, I'm just a commentor on a website for my favorite team