This is surreal.

Canadafan · Post #41 » by **Canadafan** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 1:55 pm

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SOS is a thing

bstein14 · Post #42 » by **bstein14** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 2:30 pm

Cade has not been that good this year. Yes, we're winning but a lot of that is guys stepping up around him. Cade is shooting a league worst 15% on wide open threes this season. He has a lot of "clutch" points but he's woefully bad in his TS% in the clutch, etc. We've been beating teams because we've been locking them up defensively.

Yes, Cade is a great player but he's actually been worse this season than last and he shouldn't be in the MVP conversation at all with the way some of these other players have been playing.

Don't get me wrong, he's super important to us and he's a great leader but our offense has struggled in large part due to his struggles offensively.

I was going to put up a post about it but no one wants to talk about that in the middle of an 11 game winning streak. Hopefully he gets it together soon and this is just a slow shooting start to the season.

Post #43 » by **Cowology** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 3:01 pm

bstein14 wrote:Cade has not been that good this year. Yes, we're winning but a lot of that is guys stepping up around him. Cade is shooting a league worst 15% on wide open threes this season. He has a lot of "clutch" points but he's woefully bad in his TS% in the clutch, etc. We've been beating teams because we've been locking them up defensively.

Yes, Cade is a great player but he's actually been worse this season than last and he shouldn't be in the MVP conversation at all with the way some of these other players have been playing.

Don't get me wrong, he's super important to us and he's a great leader but our offense has struggled in large part due to his struggles offensively.

I was going to put up a post about it but no one wants to talk about that in the middle of an 11 game winning streak. Hopefully he gets it together soon and this is just a slow shooting start to the season.

He's started slow every season. This is known. He's notorious for it. The floor & ceiling may have both gone up, but annoying as it may be, I'm not particularly worried about it.

He's lowered his TO's and while still a bit pedestrian, he's running the best Asst/TO ratio of his career. And he's getting to the line. That's a better indicator to me.

tmorgan · Post #44 » by **tmorgan** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 3:58 pm

Too many days off. Getting bored.

Canadafan · Post #45 » by **Canadafan** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 4:19 pm

tmorgan wrote:Too many days off. Getting bored.

Ya, lol.
Hope we don't party too hard in Atlanta and they come back and take care of business. Getting the all time win streak would be huge

Kalamazoo317 · Post #46 » by **Kalamazoo317** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 4:36 pm

zeebneeb wrote:
Cowology wrote:I'm looking ahead at our schedule and it's another 27 games until we face a team I actually fear in Denver. I'm not saying we're gong to win all those games and there are some better teams in there (LAL,ORL, MIA, etc), but nobody in the East scares me. Also maybe a lil lucky Giannis is out temporarily or MIL would be a better test for JD.

We definitely showed an ability to hang with the Knicks last year and some even think we win it with a healthy Stew. Regardless, we are clearly significantly improved since then and nobody else has really stepped up to fill the void with IND & BOS both out of the running.

I know people are still being cautious and yeah we'll hit some patches...but this team is legit and if anything I thing they continue to gain confidence & trust in each other.

Post-season is another ball of wax, but I don't see any thing keeping us from a #1 Seed. This team is going to continue bullying the rest of the league. OKC, DEN and maybe HOU are still a class above us...but we're closing that gap quickly.
Nice post. The one thing I want to add, is about Jaden Ivey. A bunch of people are eating crow concerning Jalen Duren right now, and even I am to a certain extent, as I didn't want him moved, because he fits so well with Cade. He has become an all-around monster.

Now, if Ivey comes back, and picks up where he left off before asshat moron took out his leg, this Pistons team is absolutely loaded to the gills with talent, and different traits, to a degree that seems ridiculous. Ivey is one of the fastest players in the league, and as Cade himself pointed out, opposites attract. Their playstyles are vastly different, and will give teams fits trying to guard Cades methodical, floor controlling style, while at the same time, trying to contain Ivey going 1000 end to end.

The addition of Ivey, could make this team turn into something incredibly special. I dont give a damn who's on the schedule.

I am done being cautious. I have abandoned my PTSD for the past 2 decades. This team is good, and every damn metric says they are as well.

LETS **** GO.

I've been critical of Ivey based on actual gameplay (poor finishing, too many turnovers, bad defense) and have been willing to consider him as a trade piece, but I'm also totally willing to give him a chance to prove his fit and do think when Cade says he likes how they fit together, that's valid and worth exploring.

I'm pretty against any big shake up trades right now. I'm eager to see what things look like with Ivey in the mix and whether he's that next piece or he doesn't really fit. I think the jury's out.

Kalamazoo317 · Post #47 » by **Kalamazoo317** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 4:39 pm

bstein14 wrote:Cade has not been that good this year. Yes, we're winning but a lot of that is guys stepping up around him. Cade is shooting a league worst 15% on wide open threes this season. He has a lot of "clutch" points but he's woefully bad in his TS% in the clutch, etc. We've been beating teams because we've been locking them up defensively.

Yes, Cade is a great player but he's actually been worse this season than last and he shouldn't be in the MVP conversation at all with the way some of these other players have been playing.

Don't get me wrong, he's super important to us and he's a great leader but our offense has struggled in large part due to his struggles offensively.

I was going to put up a post about it but no one wants to talk about that in the middle of an 11 game winning streak. Hopefully he gets it together soon and this is just a slow shooting start to the season.

Eh, I think this conflates "shooting well" with "good." Cade has been really good this year. Some of that is being willing to take tough shots and some of that is finding a way to consistently contribute when his shot isn't falling (which it hasn't been). Some of that is hitting baskets at clutch moments when we've really needed him. A lot of that is playmaking and turning into a legit good defender.

Cade has definitely not shot well this year. But he's been a very good player. If his shot comes around, there is no ceiling.

DetroitSho · Post #48 » by **DetroitSho** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 6:28 pm

Cowology wrote:
bstein14 wrote:Cade has not been that good this year. Yes, we're winning but a lot of that is guys stepping up around him. Cade is shooting a league worst 15% on wide open threes this season. He has a lot of "clutch" points but he's woefully bad in his TS% in the clutch, etc. We've been beating teams because we've been locking them up defensively.

Yes, Cade is a great player but he's actually been worse this season than last and he shouldn't be in the MVP conversation at all with the way some of these other players have been playing.

Don't get me wrong, he's super important to us and he's a great leader but our offense has struggled in large part due to his struggles offensively.

I was going to put up a post about it but no one wants to talk about that in the middle of an 11 game winning streak. Hopefully he gets it together soon and this is just a slow shooting start to the season.
He's started slow every season. This is known. He's notorious for it. The floor & ceiling may have both gone up, but annoying as it may be, I'm not particularly worried about it.

He's lowered his TO's and while still a bit pedestrian, he's running the best Asst/TO ratio of his career. And he's getting to the line. That's a better indicator to me.

Pedestrian? His assist/turnover is 2.75. That's pretty good.

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Menace2Sobriety · Post #49 » by **Menace2Sobriety** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 7:27 pm

Speaking of surreal - I saw this posted on the GB. No idea whether it’s a legit source of any kind

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TPA · Post #50 » by **TPA** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 7:47 pm

Davis would be great to have for a postseason run. The problem is that he's averaged only 52 regular-season games over the past 5 years. And at what cost to acquire him would be the biggest question?

MortSahlfan · Post #51 » by **MortSahlfan** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 7:51 pm

"My sources"

I can't see Trajan doing this. He said he wouldn't skip steps. Why would we give up talent for "Street Clothes"?

Post #52 » by **Cowology** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 7:57 pm

The AD stuff sounds like an agents smoke. Somebody trying to create a market, maybe drive up the price for somebody like CHI.

I'll. Never say never...but we don't really have enough bad salary to make a deal functional.

Menace2Sobriety · Post #53 » by **Menace2Sobriety** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 8:08 pm

Especially with Duren and Ivey’s extension forthcoming. I’d like to see TL consolidate picks and find a Tobias replacement via the draft.

Post #54 » by **Cowology** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 9:27 pm

Menace2Sobriety wrote:Especially with Duren and Ivey’s extension forthcoming. I’d like to see TL consolidate picks and find a Tobias replacement via the draft.

Honestly, we may want to keep ALL our picks and even start stockpiling them. As these extensions kick in we're going to feel the squeeze and will need cheap contracts to fill out the roster. Trading them all away for another big contract feels very "win now" with a high opportunity cost on the future.

Kalamazoo317 · Post #55 » by **Kalamazoo317** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 9:33 pm

I believe Trajan when he says he wants to see this team all together (with Ivey) and evaluate where they're at before making any moves. I'm definitely not going off that belief on account of what Perk of all people says.

bstein14 · Post #56 » by **bstein14** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 9:37 pm

If you trade for AD, the cost would have to be very minimal IMO. He's could be here for just a year and a half. He could want a 3 year $70 million per season extension this summer. At his age and health, the only way a trade like that makes sense is if you are essentially giving up Ivey, Tobias and LeVert... and maybe one 1st rounder... and even then there is major risk he isn't the right fit for this group.

AD is clearly super good friends with LeBron and we all know how LeBron feels about Stew and vice versa.

tmorgan · Post #57 » by **tmorgan** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 10:09 pm

Perkins’ sources are the dude that cuts his hair and the dude that sells him shoes.

Invictus88 · Post #58 » by **Invictus88** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 10:14 pm

Cowology wrote:
Menace2Sobriety wrote:Especially with Duren and Ivey’s extension forthcoming. I’d like to see TL consolidate picks and find a Tobias replacement via the draft.

Honestly, we may want to keep ALL our picks and even start stockpiling them. As these extensions kick in we're going to feel the squeeze and will need cheap contracts to fill out the roster. Trading them all away for another big contract feels very "win now" with a high opportunity cost on the future.

Is this the place to give a feature request to be able to hit the And 1 button more than once? Asking for a friend.

Menace2Sobriety · Post #59 » by **Menace2Sobriety** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 10:16 pm

Cowology wrote:Honestly, we may want to keep ALL our picks and even start stockpiling them. As these extensions kick in we're going to feel the squeeze and will need cheap contracts to fill out the roster. Trading them all away for another big contract feels very "win now" with a high opportunity cost on the future.

Yeah - I didn’t mean to trade but rather move up in the draft if there’s a PF available. We’re close.

I do agree that your/OKC model is the way to go moving forward.

DetroitSho · Post #60 » by **DetroitSho** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 11:17 pm

Cowology wrote:
Menace2Sobriety wrote:Especially with Duren and Ivey’s extension forthcoming. I’d like to see TL consolidate picks and find a Tobias replacement via the draft.

Honestly, we may want to keep ALL our picks and even start stockpiling them. As these extensions kick in we're going to feel the squeeze and will need cheap contracts to fill out the roster. Trading them all away for another big contract feels very "win now" with a high opportunity cost on the future.

He's saying consolidate picks and move up in the draft.

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