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I remember the bulls info. Somewhere. I have hope for bub but we seem to be loosing faith in him fastDat2U wrote:payitforward wrote:Interesting, Dat.... Where'd you come up w/ the Bulls info?
I was trying to find the article. I couldnt remember if it was Aldridge or someone else that mentioned the Bulls option right after the Deni trade was finalized.
9 and 20 wrote:Lamelo Ball???
Guy is super talented for sure. Seems a bit of a flake and injury prone.
We could trade for him at the deadline, tell him to heal up the rest of this season and continue the tank to get a top pick.
In theory, we've got the salaries to trade, a young vet in Kispert, and young guys with potential. Could throw in a future pick or two also.
Not sure he's the right answer, tbh.
pcbothwel wrote:9 and 20 wrote:Lamelo Ball???
Guy is super talented for sure. Seems a bit of a flake and injury prone.
We could trade for him at the deadline, tell him to heal up the rest of this season and continue the tank to get a top pick.
In theory, we've got the salaries to trade, a young vet in Kispert, and young guys with potential. Could throw in a future pick or two also.
Not sure he's the right answer, tbh.
LaMelo is far from the right answer. He may pop in his later 20's as a complimentary piece, but not the right fit for us.
Also, what happens if we get pick ~4 and we have Brown and Boozer on the board. We almost assuredly have to pass up on Brown for Boozer because of Ball...
I want a clear deck for any of the top 5 prospects, which we have because they can all play with Tre, Sarr, and KG.
Im looking for teams, similar to our Smart/Grizzlies trade last year, where a team has financial issues and are not good enough to justify it:
- The Mavs situation is interesting because they are right under the 2nd apron and will be in the repeater tax next year... Meaning they cut a 60M check for being 16M above the Tax!!! They need to move AD and cut salary to get a top 8 pick and have financial flexibility to build around Flagg moving forward. Need to keep tabs on them... Maybe something with NYK with OG? ... Maybe the Twolves with Gobert?
- GSW with Kuminga as well, but they are on a clear 2-year window and will blow it up after.
- The Cavs are obvious because they are so top heavy with redundant skill sets (Mitchell/Garland and Mobley/Allen). Something will happen there.
- One trade that Im going to keep in back pocket until after the draft order is set is moving our protected 2027 pick for a lotto pick in 2026.
I have mentioned before, but OKC has 3 picks (Actually 4, but I dont see the Jazz pick conveying because its top 8 protected), and they simply dont have the roster space for more players (Such a wild talent base).
OKC wants to keep the party going and values, more than anything, future 1st that are in the top 20.
Assuming the LAC pick stays around 10-13, I would trade our 2027 1st with some protection (Top 8?) for that pick as I think the 2027 draft is meh.
Look at the guys in the 8-15 range... Peat, Tounde, Avdalas, Cenac, Quaintance, Sarr, Lopez, Carr, Flemings, Lendeborg...
Again, it would probably be a draft night trade with a player Dawkins likes falling to that pick, but I would be more than open
pcbothwel wrote:9 and 20 wrote:Lamelo Ball???
Guy is super talented for sure. Seems a bit of a flake and injury prone.
We could trade for him at the deadline, tell him to heal up the rest of this season and continue the tank to get a top pick.
In theory, we've got the salaries to trade, a young vet in Kispert, and young guys with potential. Could throw in a future pick or two also.
Not sure he's the right answer, tbh.
LaMelo is far from the right answer. He may pop in his later 20's as a complimentary piece, but not the right fit for us.
Also, what happens if we get pick ~4 and we have Brown and Boozer on the board. We almost assuredly have to pass up on Brown for Boozer because of Ball...
I want a clear deck for any of the top 5 prospects, which we have because they can all play with Tre, Sarr, and KG.
Im looking for teams, similar to our Smart/Grizzlies trade last year, where a team has financial issues and are not good enough to justify it:
- The Mavs situation is interesting because they are right under the 2nd apron and will be in the repeater tax next year... Meaning they cut a 60M check for being 16M above the Tax!!! They need to move AD and cut salary to get a top 8 pick and have financial flexibility to build around Flagg moving forward. Need to keep tabs on them... Maybe something with NYK with OG? ... Maybe the Twolves with Gobert?
- GSW with Kuminga as well, but they are on a clear 2-year window and will blow it up after.
- The Cavs are obvious because they are so top heavy with redundant skill sets (Mitchell/Garland and Mobley/Allen). Something will happen there.
- One trade that Im going to keep in back pocket until after the draft order is set is moving our protected 2027 pick for a lotto pick in 2026.
I have mentioned before, but OKC has 3 picks (Actually 4, but I dont see the Jazz pick conveying because its top 8 protected), and they simply dont have the roster space for more players (Such a wild talent base).
OKC wants to keep the party going and values, more than anything, future 1st that are in the top 20.
Assuming the LAC pick stays around 10-13, I would trade our 2027 1st with some protection (Top 8?) for that pick as I think the 2027 draft is meh.
Look at the guys in the 8-15 range... Peat, Tounde, Avdalas, Cenac, Quaintance, Sarr, Lopez, Carr, Flemings, Lendeborg...
Again, it would probably be a draft night trade with a player Dawkins likes falling to that pick, but I would be more than open
Plus, his handle at his height is intriguing. Peat has game. They all do. I think loading up for the turnaround, non-tank 2026-2027 year, is a great idea. Trade up via swapping from 2027.
nate33 wrote:doclinkin wrote:My point is on roster construction. In the ‘2nd apron era’ it is possible to build a one year winner with superior team construction. Good health. Depth. Chemistry.
The superstar in his prime costs a great deal. A slew of assets to acquire and a vulnerability if he goes down with injury.
He also gives you a jumpstart on a championship run. And if you have that guy at his peak production you can probably contend for 2-3 years in a row before it all gets too pricey. But you have a chance.
The Thunder may have created a new model. Of sustainable excellence and unmatched depth. We will see. Recently we have had a series of one and done champs. And I wonder if it is because we don’t yet have that next ascendant superstar dominating the standings. At least not until Wemby grows into his real prime.
The Thunder model is not replicable because teams don't generally acquire a young future MVP and a zillion future FRP's for a past-his-peak star like Paul George.
dobrojim wrote:CCJ,
We should show glimpses of progress this year. But
remember, most of our kids (19-20 yo) will still be physically
immature and still relately inexperienced. A year
after that, barring a rash of injuries, we will probably
compete for a playin spot. But realize that that is
still damning with faint praise. It will probably take
at least one additional year before becoming a serious
playoff team with a realistic chance of making 2nd rnd. Unless one of our draftees blows up bigly.
Northwest Roddy wrote:the 2023/24 OKC Thunder didn't have a PF in their starting lineup. We need to get used to that.
It was 6'6' 180 SGA at point
6'8 210 Josh Giddy,
6'4'' 220 Lou Dort
6'6" 220 Jalen Williams
7'1" 212 Chet
There was no Terry Catledge type PF. The plan was to develop the wings. They must have some data that scoring by wings and length at defense and steals is more important than rebounds and they ran with it until Dallas eliminated them for want of rebounds. Hartenstein came in and Giddy out and they won the title this year.
The point is we shouldn't expect any trades or signings of power forwards. We are running with Bub at point Tre at SG, two wings and Sarr.
And the bench is AJ Johnson and a bunch of shooting guards and wings. Holmes or Vuk will have to hold down the back up center position. Dazed and confused doesn't exist for me on the Wiz.
This year, and maybe next, will stay all about developing that OKC style of play. It's the opposite of my OG beloved Bullets when Wes, Kupchak and the Big E were three different versions of great power forwards. (Elvin Hayes was 6'9".)
Personally, I hope we get Boozer next year and that he's the real deal.
I agree, NWR.The plan was to develop the wings. They must have some data that scoring by wings and length at defense and steals is more important than rebounds and they ran with it until Dallas eliminated them for want of rebounds. Hartenstein came in and Giddy out and they won the title this year.
Jay81 wrote:Northwest Roddy wrote:the 2023/24 OKC Thunder didn't have a PF in their starting lineup. We need to get used to that.
It was 6'6' 180 SGA at point
6'8 210 Josh Giddy,
6'4'' 220 Lou Dort
6'6" 220 Jalen Williams
7'1" 212 Chet
There was no Terry Catledge type PF. The plan was to develop the wings. They must have some data that scoring by wings and length at defense and steals is more important than rebounds and they ran with it until Dallas eliminated them for want of rebounds. Hartenstein came in and Giddy out and they won the title this year.
The point is we shouldn't expect any trades or signings of power forwards. We are running with Bub at point Tre at SG, two wings and Sarr.
And the bench is AJ Johnson and a bunch of shooting guards and wings. Holmes or Vuk will have to hold down the back up center position. Dazed and confused doesn't exist for me on the Wiz.
This year, and maybe next, will stay all about developing that OKC style of play. It's the opposite of my OG beloved Bullets when Wes, Kupchak and the Big E were three different versions of great power forwards. (Elvin Hayes was 6'9".)
Personally, I hope we get Boozer next year and that he's the real deal.
lol terry Cadillac catledge