Game 17: Pacers @ Cavs 11/21/2025

JujitsuFlip · Post #2 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 5:15 pm

Shwoo lots of outages for this one, on both sides.

Cavs
Strus - out
Merrill - out
Travers - with the Charge
Livingston - with the Charge
Allen - questionable (finger)
Garland - questionable (toe)
Tyson - questionable (concussion)

Pacers
Hali - out
Toppin - out
Nesmith - out
Furpy - out
Jones - out
Jackson - out
Garrison Mathews - can't officially sign into their hardship exception, yet

JujitsuFlip · Post #3 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 6:52 pm

Sidebar, i have a feeling that the Pacers still have a little bit of mind control over the Cavs after that playoff series whoppin' back in the spring.

Post #4 » by **ijspeelman** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 7:08 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:Sidebar, i have a feeling that the Pacers still have a little bit of mind control over the Cavs after that playoff series whoppin' back in the spring.

Ngl if we lose to the 2-13 Pacers I am not going to be v happy

JujitsuFlip · Post #5 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 9:04 pm

ijspeelman wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Sidebar, i have a feeling that the Pacers still have a little bit of mind control over the Cavs after that playoff series whoppin' back in the spring.

Ngl if we lose to the 2-13 Pacers I am not going to be v happy

I could see it. You already know Hunter and Mathurin probably have at least 1 scuffle.

Post #6 » by **ijspeelman** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 11:29 pm

#Cavs Darius Garland and Jaylon Tyson will both be active tonight against the Pacers.

Jarrett Allen is out.

https://bsky.app/profile/dannycunningham.bsky.social/post/3m66flqcbhk2f

Sam Merrill (hand) is out.

https://bsky.app/profile/dannycunningham.bsky.social/post/3m63t3ygg5k2k

Post #7 » by **ijspeelman** » Fri Nov 21, 2025 11:42 pm

JujitsuFlip · Post #8 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Yesterday 12:13 am

ijspeelman wrote:

Nice to see Garland and Tyson back on the floor, i know some fans will hate Hunter starting at 4 hahaha

Post #9 » by **jbk1234** » Yesterday 12:58 am

Having CPJ, Garland, Mitchell, and Tomlin on the floor at the same time is a choice.

Post #10 » by **ijspeelman** » Yesterday 2:31 am

Less obvious than last time, but p sure Garland re-injured himself again

Post #11 » by **ijspeelman** » Yesterday 2:33 am

ijspeelman wrote:Less obvious than last time, but p sure Garland re-injured himself again

He came back out so we will see (I def don't think he should be playing either way)

Post #12 » by **ijspeelman** » Yesterday 2:41 am

Garland looked better after he came back in from injury lol

Also... KA said f the NBA Cup (he put the 3rd stringers in instead of running up the score)

Post #13 » by **jbk1234** » Yesterday 3:59 am

ijspeelman wrote:Garland looked better after he came back in from injury lol

Also... KA said f the NBA Cup (he put the 3rd stringers in instead of running up the score)

I think the teams that know they're not contenders care a lot more about the cup.

JujitsuFlip · Post #14 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Yesterday 9:31 am

ijspeelman wrote:Less obvious than last time, but p sure Garland re-injured himself again

Did this guy have a botched surgery? How are we almost 6 months removed from surgery and dude is still hobbling around?

Burrow had a complete tear (grade 3) and is most likely starting on Sunday, 65 days after surgery.

I understand basketball and football are different but still.

I also understand Burrow is a bigger guy than Garland but for this specific turf toe injury, seems irrelevant.

Post #15 » by **jbk1234** » Yesterday 3:09 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
ijspeelman wrote:Less obvious than last time, but p sure Garland re-injured himself again
Did this guy have a botched surgery? How are we almost 6 months removed from surgery and dude is still hobbling around?

Burrow had a complete tear (grade 3) and is most likely starting on Sunday, 65 days after surgery.

I understand basketball and football are different but still.

I also understand Burrow is a bigger guy than Garland but for this specific turf toe injury, seems irrelevant.

How often is Borrow jumping and landing? Hes a pocket passer. Reportedly, the toe contusion was unrelated to the surgery. Most NBA players take awhile to adjust after a major surgery. He may experience discomfort for awhile. Maybe give it more than 4 games.

JujitsuFlip · Post #16 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Yesterday 3:58 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
ijspeelman wrote:Less obvious than last time, but p sure Garland re-injured himself again
Did this guy have a botched surgery? How are we almost 6 months removed from surgery and dude is still hobbling around?

Burrow had a complete tear (grade 3) and is most likely starting on Sunday, 65 days after surgery.

I understand basketball and football are different but still.

I also understand Burrow is a bigger guy than Garland but for this specific turf toe injury, seems irrelevant.

How often is Borrow jumping and landing? Hes a pocket passer. Reportedly, the toe contusion was unrelated to the surgery. Most NBA players take awhile to adjust after a major surgery. He may experience discomfort for awhile. Maybe give it more than 4 games.

But in 4 games he's already injured the same surgically repaired toe twice...

So that is awful probability if 50% of the time, Garland is going to end up hobbling after/during a game.

Post #17 » by **jbk1234** » Yesterday 4:03 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Did this guy have a botched surgery? How are we almost 6 months removed from surgery and dude is still hobbling around?

Burrow had a complete tear (grade 3) and is most likely starting on Sunday, 65 days after surgery.

I understand basketball and football are different but still.

I also understand Burrow is a bigger guy than Garland but for this specific turf toe injury, seems irrelevant.

How often is Borrow jumping and landing? Hes a pocket passer. Reportedly, the toe contusion was unrelated to the surgery. Most NBA players take awhile to adjust after a major surgery. He may experience discomfort for awhile. Maybe give it more than 4 games.
But in 4 games he's already injured the same surgically repaired toe twice...

So that is awful probability if 50% of the time, Garland is going to end up hobbling after/during a game.

Are we sure it was his toe?

JujitsuFlip · Post #18 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Yesterday 4:16 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
How often is Borrow jumping and landing? Hes a pocket passer. Reportedly, the toe contusion was unrelated to the surgery. Most NBA players take awhile to adjust after a major surgery. He may experience discomfort for awhile. Maybe give it more than 4 games.
But in 4 games he's already injured the same surgically repaired toe twice...

So that is awful probability if 50% of the time, Garland is going to end up hobbling after/during a game.

Are we sure it was his toe?

I have no clue, I've watched zero Cavs games this season.

They won't start being on NBC and ABC until Christmas and beyond.

@Isaac, did it look like his toe again last night?

Post #19 » by **ijspeelman** » Yesterday 7:24 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:But in 4 games he's already injured the same surgically repaired toe twice...

So that is awful probability if 50% of the time, Garland is going to end up hobbling after/during a game.

Are we sure it was his toe?
I have no clue, I've watched zero Cavs games this season.

They won't start being on NBC and ABC until Christmas and beyond.

@Isaac, did it look like his toe again last night?

It was definitely somewhere on his foot, but they didn't say anything on the broadcast and reporters haven't said anything

He came back out and played well so idk if he actually tweaked anything or not, but he was def in discomfort and didn't get back on D (same as last time)