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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#241 » by ATLTimekeeper » Yesterday 1:52 pm

dTox wrote:
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You used the words "stretch big", it's right there in your own quotes. But I'll bite, which season did Siakam not have a good C and still carry a team to success?


The 48 win season where he played C :lol:


You mean the year where Scottie was the one to guard the bigger C's? The year that Scottie was assigned to guard the Jokic and Embiid's of the world? Anyways, compare that roster to the one Scottie played with last year, where he's trying to blame Scottie for not being able to "carry" the team.


OG usually took those guys and then Achiuwa. They also had Khem Birch start about 30 games. Scottie guarded some C as well but not that often.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#242 » by dTox » Yesterday 2:59 pm

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The 48 win season where he played C :lol:


You mean the year where Scottie was the one to guard the bigger C's? The year that Scottie was assigned to guard the Jokic and Embiid's of the world? Anyways, compare that roster to the one Scottie played with last year, where he's trying to blame Scottie for not being able to "carry" the team.


OG usually took those guys and then Achiuwa. They also had Khem Birch start about 30 games. Scottie guarded some C as well but not that often.


OG and Barnes mostly took that responsibility, OG played 48 games that year so I wouldn't say he usually took those assignments on. But you see what you are doing right, crediting Siakam for being the C when underneath the hood it's the other guys who actually took on the load. Anyways, we are going way beyond the original debate, which is this:

I was comparing to the records where Siakam doesn't have a good C


Siakam can borderline carry the team without a stretch big,


Which I think is disingenuous, since Siakam played with Ibaka, Gasol, Turner during his successful seasons. And the one time he had some semblance of a success without a C, it was done by committee and he had a pretty decent roster around him (especially compared to last year's team).

Nonetheless, I think Jakob is a pretty good C, he may or may not be an ideal fit next to players like Barnes, and the stats with Mamu next to Barnes instead of Jakob is pretty eye opening, it's a very small sample size though, let's give the entire team more time to gel, some very positive results overall to start the season.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#243 » by Indeed » Today 12:51 am

dTox wrote:
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You used the words "stretch big", it's right there in your own quotes. But I'll bite, which season did Siakam not have a good C and still carry a team to success?


The 48 win season where he played C :lol:


You mean the year where Scottie was the one to guard the bigger C's? The year that Scottie was assigned to guard the Jokic and Embiid's of the world? Anyways, compare that roster to the one Scottie played with last year, where he's trying to blame Scottie for not being able to "carry" the team.


You clearly didn't watch the game, as Barnes was guarding Tatum or other perimeter players.
The stats doesn't lie where Barnes registered 0 mins at C: https://www.82games.com/2223/22TOR9.HTM

Siakam was actually the C that year, and Birch/Poeltl/Achuiwa played the C as well.

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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#244 » by TheAlchemist23 » Today 3:53 am

Seems like Derik Queen is gonna be the franchise C for New Orleans, can we get their 2024 FRP Yves Missi? It'd likely cost a FRP
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Post#245 » by Blazing_royale » Today 4:04 am

Dam Queen is looking good. We might have missed a good one.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#246 » by PushDaRock » Today 4:12 am

TheAlchemist23 wrote:Seems like Derik Queen is gonna be the franchise C for New Orleans, can we get their 2024 FRP Yves Missi? It'd likely cost a FRP


I'm not giving up a FRP for him, he's a really bad defender right now.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#247 » by JCP11 » Today 4:15 am

Blazing_royale wrote:Dam Queen is looking good. We might have missed a good one.

Queen will always look good offensively, dude is very gifted. My issue with him was the lack of length, size, foot speed, def awareness to play vs big Cs on defense. Remains to be seen. Coward is the one i wanted but i loved CMB a lot so i'm not mad.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#248 » by Psubs » Today 4:20 am

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TheAlchemist23 wrote:Seems like Derik Queen is gonna be the franchise C for New Orleans, can we get their 2024 FRP Yves Missi? It'd likely cost a FRP


I'm not giving up a FRP for him, he's a really bad defender right now.


I'd take Mamu over Queen, because he makes plays but isn't selfish and should cost much less in the long run.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#249 » by PushDaRock » Today 4:24 am

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TheAlchemist23 wrote:Seems like Derik Queen is gonna be the franchise C for New Orleans, can we get their 2024 FRP Yves Missi? It'd likely cost a FRP


I'm not giving up a FRP for him, he's a really bad defender right now.


I'd take Mamu over Queen, because he makes plays but isn't selfish and should cost much less in the long run.


Mamu helps us win a lot more than Queen right now, which should be expected because most rookies suck when it comes to helping you win.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#250 » by TheAlchemist23 » Today 4:46 am

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I'm not giving up a FRP for him, he's a really bad defender right now.


I'd take Mamu over Queen, because he makes plays but isn't selfish and should cost much less in the long run.


Mamu helps us win a lot more than Queen right now, which should be expected because most rookies suck when it comes to helping you win.

Yea, looks like Queen is on star trajectory

From our perspective that makes Missi expendable, but he's cost controlled so NOLA probably wants some compensation for that
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#251 » by PushDaRock » Today 4:49 am

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I'd take Mamu over Queen, because he makes plays but isn't selfish and should cost much less in the long run.


Mamu helps us win a lot more than Queen right now, which should be expected because most rookies suck when it comes to helping you win.

Yea, looks like Queen is on star trajectory

From our perspective that makes Missi expendable, but he's cost controlled so NOLA probably wants some compensation for that


Right now, Queen is just putting up numbers on below average efficiency on a 2-15 team. Gonna need to see a lot more to say he's on a star trajectory. He's been mostly as expected so far, actually a bit better defensively than expected surprisingly.

Missi sucks right now as a player for a team trying to win.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#252 » by TheAlchemist23 » Today 5:25 am

PushDaRock wrote:
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Mamu helps us win a lot more than Queen right now, which should be expected because most rookies suck when it comes to helping you win.

Yea, looks like Queen is on star trajectory

From our perspective that makes Missi expendable, but he's cost controlled so NOLA probably wants some compensation for that


Right now, Queen is just putting up numbers on below average efficiency on a 2-15 team. Gonna need to see a lot more to say he's on a star trajectory. He's been mostly as expected so far, actually a bit better defensively than expected surprisingly.

Missi sucks right now as a player for a team trying to win.

You're not gonna find a perfect player as a 3rd string C
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#253 » by PushDaRock » Today 5:38 am

TheAlchemist23 wrote:
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TheAlchemist23 wrote:Yea, looks like Queen is on star trajectory

From our perspective that makes Missi expendable, but he's cost controlled so NOLA probably wants some compensation for that


Right now, Queen is just putting up numbers on below average efficiency on a 2-15 team. Gonna need to see a lot more to say he's on a star trajectory. He's been mostly as expected so far, actually a bit better defensively than expected surprisingly.

Missi sucks right now as a player for a team trying to win.

You're not gonna find a perfect player as a 3rd string C


Not expecting to, but also not giving up a FRP for someone like that.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#254 » by Agimat » Today 5:42 am

Onyeka Okongwu :nod:
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#255 » by niQ » Today 6:03 am

So apparently Koloko getting cut...

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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#256 » by Appostis » Today 6:29 am

niQ wrote:So apparently Koloko getting cut...

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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#257 » by _MidNight_ » Today 7:09 am

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niQ wrote:So apparently Koloko getting cut...

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Welcome back to TO.


He made such a poor career choice by not sticking with Toronto when he was cleared. He would have had far more opportunities here.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#258 » by Clutch0z24 » Today 2:50 pm

PushDaRock wrote:
TheAlchemist23 wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
Mamu helps us win a lot more than Queen right now, which should be expected because most rookies suck when it comes to helping you win.

Yea, looks like Queen is on star trajectory

From our perspective that makes Missi expendable, but he's cost controlled so NOLA probably wants some compensation for that


Right now, Queen is just putting up numbers on below average efficiency on a 2-15 team. Gonna need to see a lot more to say he's on a star trajectory. He's been mostly as expected so far, actually a bit better defensively than expected surprisingly.

Missi sucks right now as a player for a team trying to win.


Lol you were horribly wrong about Queen on the pre draft boards and Queen is playing just like the ones who liked him (Me) Thought he would in the NBA....You can't admit you were wrong about him so you are doubling down moving the goal post on why Queen is not a good player....Well you are just flat out wrong on that take.

Jokic and Duncan praised Queen and said he is highly skilled and will be a great player and one of the great bigs in the league....2 HOF all time big men , 1 who just had to play him in Jokic and Jokic had battles with some of the greats....But a guy named PushDaRock on realgm says Queen is not good so it must be true :lol: ....
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#259 » by Shakril » Today 3:13 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
TheAlchemist23 wrote:Yea, looks like Queen is on star trajectory

From our perspective that makes Missi expendable, but he's cost controlled so NOLA probably wants some compensation for that


Right now, Queen is just putting up numbers on below average efficiency on a 2-15 team. Gonna need to see a lot more to say he's on a star trajectory. He's been mostly as expected so far, actually a bit better defensively than expected surprisingly.

Missi sucks right now as a player for a team trying to win.


Lol you were horribly wrong about Queen on the pre draft boards and Queen is playing just like the ones who liked him (Me) Thought he would in the NBA....You can't admit you were wrong about him so you are doubling down moving the goal post on why Queen is not a good player....Well you are just flat out wrong on that take.

Jokic and Duncan praised Queen and said he is highly skilled and will be a great player and one of the great bigs in the league....2 HOF all time big men , 1 who just had to play him in Jokic and Jokic had battles with some of the greats....But a guy named PushDaRock on realgm says Queen is not good so it must be true :lol: ....


It is too early to say either way. You never know what can happen or if someone stalls in his development.
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Re: Toronto needs a new Center 

Post#260 » by PushDaRock » Today 3:44 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
TheAlchemist23 wrote:Yea, looks like Queen is on star trajectory

From our perspective that makes Missi expendable, but he's cost controlled so NOLA probably wants some compensation for that


Right now, Queen is just putting up numbers on below average efficiency on a 2-15 team. Gonna need to see a lot more to say he's on a star trajectory. He's been mostly as expected so far, actually a bit better defensively than expected surprisingly.

Missi sucks right now as a player for a team trying to win.


Lol you were horribly wrong about Queen on the pre draft boards and Queen is playing just like the ones who liked him (Me) Thought he would in the NBA....You can't admit you were wrong about him so you are doubling down moving the goal post on why Queen is not a good player....Well you are just flat out wrong on that take.

Jokic and Duncan praised Queen and said he is highly skilled and will be a great player and one of the great bigs in the league....2 HOF all time big men , 1 who just had to play him in Jokic and Jokic had battles with some of the greats....But a guy named PushDaRock on realgm says Queen is not good so it must be true :lol: ....


lmao who cares if I end up wrong about him? I change my opinion on players all the time when new evidence/data pops up that makes it logical to do so. But, it's not like he's averaging 20 and 10 on 60 TS%+ and really shutting me up. Not that this should be the expectation either for a rookie.

In his current role, he's doing about as expected maybe slightly exceeding expectations because most rookies really suck and he's decent right now. Point is he's on a 2-15 team and they're giving him the ball a lot, it's not that surprising he's producing ok. Even Gradey was putting up numbers when we force fed him mins last year. The same concerns exist though, can he be efficient in that offensive hub role on a good team because he likely won't be a plus defender and will he develop a consistent 3 with that broken form?

There's some positives so far like his on/off splits being great and his D, passing being a bit better than anticipated and he looks to have slimmed down some which has helped his mobility. The playmaking could potentially offset some of the efficiency concerns one day, but it's still too early to say. He will have to fix the turnover issues for that to happen.

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