Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9

[MiamiSPX]

Scottie's 1/10 on his last 10 shots from 3. That's a little concerning. It seems like his hot streak is coming to a screeching halt.

More palatable when the team is winning and many American media outlets are talking about him for All-Defensive.

[Thaddy]

Still extremely happy with him, he's making winning plays, and doesn't need to take many shots to be effective. Very obvious he's best suited as a #2 or #3 scoring option, but a guy that can do it all.

Defense has been elite, passing has been elite, his mid-range shot looks improved and efficient, and he's a monster in the paint.

He's 22nd in the league in Win Shares, 20th in the league in Box Plus Minus, and 15th in the league in VORP...so his impact has been all-star level.

The box score doesn't reflect his true impact. If his offense was slightly better he'd be the best player on our team by very far. I'd still have him at the top now. It feels like his defense could be better utilized as a help defender. I don't love seeing him being the POA defender.

Scottie's 1/10 on his last 10 shots from 3. That's a little concerning. It seems like his hot streak is coming to a screeching halt.

Just have to hope he shoots 35% from distance.

He's still at 38%, it shows how hot he was earlier this year.

Scottie's 1/10 on his last 10 shots from 3. That's a little concerning. It seems like his hot streak is coming to a screeching halt.

More palatable when the team is winning and many American media outlets are talking about him for All-Defensive.

I find it crazy how casual NBA fans love Mobley and drag Barnes through the dirt. Mobley would struggle just as bad as a first option. We saw that while they were hit with injuries.

[TheGeneral99]

Still extremely happy with him, he's making winning plays, and doesn't need to take many shots to be effective. Very obvious he's best suited as a #2 or #3 scoring option, but a guy that can do it all.

Defense has been elite, passing has been elite, his mid-range shot looks improved and efficient, and he's a monster in the paint.

He's 22nd in the league in Win Shares, 20th in the league in Box Plus Minus, and 15th in the league in VORP...so his impact has been all-star level.

The box score doesn't reflect his true impact. If his offense was slightly better he'd be the best player on our team by very far. I'd still have him at the top now. It feels like his defense could be better utilized as a help defender. I don't love seeing him being the POA defender.

Scottie's 1/10 on his last 10 shots from 3. That's a little concerning. It seems like his hot streak is coming to a screeching halt.

Just have to hope he shoots 35% from distance.

He's still at 38%, it shows how hot he was earlier this year.

Scottie's 1/10 on his last 10 shots from 3. That's a little concerning. It seems like his hot streak is coming to a screeching halt.

More palatable when the team is winning and many American media outlets are talking about him for All-Defensive.

I find it crazy how casual NBA fans love Mobley and drag Barnes through the dirt. Mobley would struggle just as bad as a first option. We saw that while they were hit with injuries.

He is our best player - I'm just saying he's best suited offensively as the #2 or #3 option...but overall in terms of impact he's our most important piece.

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[TheAlchemist23]

Since shooting 9FTs vs Indy, Scottie put up two goose eggs against Charlotte and Philadelphia

FTr at career low .211

[ATLTimekeeper]

Since shooting 9FTs vs Indy, Scottie put up two goose eggs against Charlotte and Philadelphia

FTr at career low .211

He doesn't have the respect of the league, but he's often blowing his first attempt off the dribble in the paint and getting the putback. Currently 39% off drives, which is like what Dennis Schroeder is doing. Completely anomalous for someone that size.

He's also about 100 points lower from 3-10 feet than last year. I think that there's a lot of improvement left for him within this season and if the Raptors remain in a playoff spot he'll be our All-Star rep.

[HiJiNX]

Since shooting 9FTs vs Indy, Scottie put up two goose eggs against Charlotte and Philadelphia

FTr at career low .211

He doesn't have the respect of the league, but he's often blowing his first attempt off the dribble in the paint and getting the putback. Currently 39% off drives, which is like what Dennis Schroeder is doing. Completely anomalous for someone that size.

He's also about 100 points lower from 3-10 feet than last year. I think that there's a lot of improvement left for him within this season and if the Raptors remain in a playoff spot he'll be our All-Star rep.

Yeah I think there’s a lot of development left for him in general. He’s still fairly raw with respect to putting the ball in the net — shooting with an hand in his face and finishing with defenders around him — and handling the ball in tight spaces.

He has not mastered some basic basketball fundamentals yet. It’s amazing how far he’s gotten based off physical talent and instincts. He’s got the fundamentals of a high school senior.

Anyway, nobody is leaving him open anymore and we aren’t passing it to him the few times he is open anymore, so I think that’s why his 3 point percentage is dropping. He’s got lots and lots more work to do in the next couple of off-seasons.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Since shooting 9FTs vs Indy, Scottie put up two goose eggs against Charlotte and Philadelphia

FTr at career low .211

He doesn't have the respect of the league, but he's often blowing his first attempt off the dribble in the paint and getting the putback. Currently 39% off drives, which is like what Dennis Schroeder is doing. Completely anomalous for someone that size.

He's also about 100 points lower from 3-10 feet than last year. I think that there's a lot of improvement left for him within this season and if the Raptors remain in a playoff spot he'll be our All-Star rep.

Yeah I think there’s a lot of development left for him in general. He’s still fairly raw with respect to putting the ball in the net — shooting with an hand in his face and finishing with defenders around him — and handling the ball in tight spaces.

He has not mastered some basic basketball fundamentals yet. It’s amazing how far he’s gotten based off physical talent and instincts. He’s got the fundamentals of a high school senior.

Anyway, nobody is leaving him open anymore and we aren’t passing it to him the few times he is open anymore, so I think that’s why his 3 point percentage is dropping. He’s got lots and lots more work to do in the next couple of off-seasons.

It's a little interesting that his childhood friend, Mogbo, also launches grenades in the paint. I think it probably comes from his development as an aspirational guard, and maybe he's neglected some of the big man skills. A guy like CMB has worked on his touch and already has poise under the basket that Scottie doesn't have yet. He was a big that stopped growing and had to work on his perimeter skills.

I do think some of it this year might be a more concerted effort to get to the rim, so he's actually doing what we need him to do but it might be exposing that weakness slightly. Darko does need another 'it's a crap' rant to get him some calls, though.

[HumbleRen]

It’s shame that he doesn’t seem to be able to be a 20 ppg guy if his 3’s aren’t falling.

Not sure he’ll ever be able to be a great driver or FT drawer with how rudimentary his ball handling ability is in tight spaces but he’s such an impactful player on the court that you can look the other way for now.

[anotherhomer]

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the takeaway i got from this, is that Barnes is a really good off-ball defender but also versatile on-ball defender guarding anyone from big guards, wings and small centers

he just can't guard the super centers like Jokic or Embiid, or the super speedy guards like maxey

On offense, ya....he is who he is...

[tsherkin]

It’s shame that he doesn’t seem to be able to be a 20 ppg guy if his 3’s aren’t falling.

Not sure he’ll ever be able to be a great driver or FT drawer with how rudimentary his ball handling ability is in tight spaces but he’s such an impactful player on the court that you can look the other way for now.

It is what it is. Now that we don't NEED him to be a 20 ppg scorer, it's a lot less important. Especially because he's been reasonably close to league average efficiency without the 3 falling at an insane rate behind all that, right?

[Thaddy]

It’s shame that he doesn’t seem to be able to be a 20 ppg guy if his 3’s aren’t falling.

Not sure he’ll ever be able to be a great driver or FT drawer with how rudimentary his ball handling ability is in tight spaces but he’s such an impactful player on the court that you can look the other way for now.

It is what it is. Now that we don't NEED him to be a 20 ppg scorer, it's a lot less important. Especially because he's been reasonably close to league average efficiency without the 3 falling at an insane rate behind all that, right?

He's taking catch and shoot attempts. The form looks better. There is a chance he could be above average from there this season?

He's also at a career worst on FTr that should go up as the season goes on. I'd say he has a decent shot at getting to 20+ this season and significantly going past it later.

[tsherkin]

He's taking catch and shoot attempts. The form looks better. There is a chance he could be above average from there this season?

From 3? I'm hopeful he can finish at like 35% or so, yeah. He's hitting the corner, he's getting loads of passing support, he looks reasonable ATB.

He's also at a career worst on FTr that should go up as the season goes on. I'd say he has a decent shot at getting to 20+ this season and significantly going past it later.

I'm heavily hesitant to say "significantly going past it later" because he has so many limitations as a scorer, but right now, I really just want to focus on how good he's looked the way he's played so far. In 20 games when the 3pt shooting has calmed down, we'll start to get a better bead on where he's at. But he's looked very good early on, and that's been great to see.

[Thaddy]

He's taking catch and shoot attempts. The form looks better. There is a chance he could be above average from there this season?

From 3? I'm hopeful he can finish at like 35% or so, yeah. He's hitting the corner, he's getting loads of passing support, he looks reasonable ATB.

He's also at a career worst on FTr that should go up as the season goes on. I'd say he has a decent shot at getting to 20+ this season and significantly going past it later.

I'm heavily hesitant to say "significantly going past it later" because he has so many limitations as a scorer, but right now, I really just want to focus on how good he's looked the way he's played so far. In 20 games when the 3pt shooting has calmed down, we'll start to get a better bead on where he's at. But he's looked very good early on, and that's been great to see.

It depends on who's around him. A stretch big opens up driving lanes. Better calls means more FTA. Its a lot of conditions but those and improvements to his game are possible. I think he'll eventually get to 22-23 in his prime.

[tsherkin]

It depends on who's around him. A stretch big opens up driving lanes. Better calls means more FTA. Its a lot of conditions but those and improvements to his game are possible. I think he'll eventually get to 22-23 in his prime.

His 3 will come down, his 2P% and FTr should rise a little, so hovering around league-average efficiency is on the table. 22-23 ppg seems probably a bit much for a guy who sits on that border, though. Especially with his handle and quickness and so forth.

But that's not his strength, nor his focus... nor has it ever been. He's scoring well enough that he suits his role, and he's helping us with the other tools which are what actually got him drafted. Looking at him as a low/mid 20s scorer is probably a mistake, as was casting him in too prominent an on-ball role. We need to embrace who Scottie actually is. Or rather, CONTINUE doing so as we have thus far this season. He's thriving in this role. We need to not try and stretch that too much and just let him thrive as is.

[Basketball_Jones]

I noticed he’s kind of abandoned that fadeaway jumper that was the closest thing to a go to move for him. Much rather BI take those anyways lol. It is probably his best tough shot hand in his face type move he can actually hit but we don’t need him to really go there anymore.

[tsherkin]

I noticed he’s kind of abandoned that fadeaway jumper that was the closest thing to a go to move for him. Much rather BI take those anyways lol. It is probably his best tough shot hand in his face type move he can actually hit but we don’t need him to really go there anymore.

We absolutely don't need or want him taking tough shots. It's not really what he's for, nor what he's good at, and we have other guys for that. The role he's been filling so far is excellent, enabled by roster support which wasn't there the past two seasons. I love seeing it.

We're doing what many have been saying for a while now, we're putting him into position to succeed and not forcing him to adopt a role which he absolutely cannot handle. Last year, Scottie was the worst scorer in the league among guys posting like 18 or 19+ ppg (can't remember which). Like, to an awful, historical degree of sucking ass.

The contrast to this year is remarkable, if somewhat predictable. More off-ball stuff, more passing support, more shots in sets and spaces which suit his skillset. Not being asked to take the tough bail-out shots, not being asked to self-generate so much. Not being asked to shoulder more volume than he can capably manage for a good offense. We're stripping away all the stuff which was brutal for him (and which everyone and their friggin' mother has known would be brutal for him since before the draft) and putting him into position to succeed.

And while we need to see where he settles once his 3 evens out, we're just simply doing a better job of deploying him, and he's been responding quite well. We're finally letting Scottie be the kind of player he should be, because now we're no longer just screwing around and tanking.