Celts Drink From NBA Cup Of Shame! Loss vs BKN 11/21

[Memokerobi]

Celtics should not be this bad.
While we lost several key Players, a lot of these Guys rode the Good Times, to the Finals.

Time to Player-Up.
There's not much in the way of leadership; outside of Jaylen, and an Injured Jayson.

Get it together.

Idk this team screams a .500 team to me, they’ll win some they aren’t expected to win and lose some like this. In the end I think we’re looking at around 40 wins unless we start shutting people down due to injuries or something

[Curmudgeon]

I had to turn it off after three quarters because I could not bear to watch.

Simons played 33 minutes, Minott played 7. Had those numbers been reversed, the Celtics would have won the game. The energy that players like Minott and Gonzales bring is contagious.

Stevens knows this and so does Mazulla. Stop feeding us unwatchable bull sh#t.

[jmr07019]

I went and saw the running man last night and that was definitely the right decision

[return2glory]

Getting absolutely nothing from White and Hauser each night. Not enough depth to make up for it

Hauser, yes. Leave White's name out of that. He had a bad shooting night. For the season, he is averaging 15 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds, 1.7 steals and 1.2 blocks. That's pretty much were he has been the last few seasons. He's 3 point shooting is down but will come around. Some of you must have bought the hype that White was going to be an all-star this season and average about 20-25 points a game. That's not he's game.

[return2glory]

Anyone in the right mind can not be happy with Minott's reduced role after his ascending to the starting lineup. He had one game where he was in Foul trouble, and lost both his starting role and his minutes were cut.

Still not sure why Hugo, who has showed promising flashes already at 19, gets so many DNPs all while Hauser is shooting horrifically bad. Ditto D White. And Baylor, despite his decent play, should not be getting minutes over Minott and/or Hugo.

It's simple, there isn't enough minutes to go around for Walsh, Hugo and Minott. They are pretty much the same players. All solid defensive players, weak offensive games. Boston has to play White, Pritchard and Simons a lot of minutes and sometimes Joe plays all 3 at the same time.
Minutes will free up this season for Walsh, Hugo and Minott if Simons is traded at some point. Boucher is arguably better than all 3 of those guys and he can't get minutes.

[redslastlaugh]

I feel bad for White this year. He's such a good dude and great Celtic, he just looks lost out there... It's like he had a couple of tools in his toolbox that worked well when this team was loaded with weapons (Jays, KP, Jrue Holiday), but now this yr the defense is locked in on him and nothing is easy for him.

BTW, if this was an AOS vote situation, Derrick White wins walking away.

[Dave_From_NB]

Getting absolutely nothing from White and Hauser each night. Not enough depth to make up for it

Hauser, yes. Leave White's name out of that. He had a bad shooting night. For the season, he is averaging 15 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds, 1.7 steals and 1.2 blocks. That's pretty much were he has been the last few seasons. He's 3 point shooting is down but will come around. Some of you must have bought the hype that White was going to be an all-star this season and average about 20-25 points a game. That's not he's game.

To put Whites season in perspective, he is shooting below Smarts career average for both 2 and 3 pointers. And points per FGA, 15.3 versus 15.3, is worse than any season Smart had. I use Smart as an example, because he was trashed as being a bad shooter. Fond of Walsh, but its more than a bad game at this point IMO.

[Curmudgeon]

They are showcasing Simons for a trade. That's why the minutes of the other players have been cut. It has nothing to do with them being the same player. It's pretty clear that a more advantageous trade involving Simons is more important than winning. It's an insult to the fan base.

[tfmiii]

What I don't understand is what we are trying to achieve defensively when it comes to the pick and roll, even Scal mentioned that going into drop coverage over and over again and not pressuring was inexplicable.

We are fouling so much because penetration is so easy for the opposition.

People want to say oh we don't have all stars at center we don't have all stars at power forward, but it is the coach's job to coach the team that he has not some hypothetical loaded team. Joe was fortunate to coach that hypothetical loaded team the last few years but now it's time for him to earn his spurs.

He's not putting the players in a position to succeed, last night they seemed so demoralized because the defense they are instructed to play was just collapsing over and over again.

[brackdan70]

BTW, if this was an AOS vote situation, Derrick White wins walking away.

If White keeps playing like this, I'm starting to think packaging him with Simons for AD isn't such a bad idea after all.

Lol. That crossed my mind also….the money works.

[Shak_Celts]

A healthy Tatum.

Could have been top 3 without him, but the only consistent player is JB… maybe Queta, with reasonable expectations. We’ve played about 8-9 clutch games, lost most of them.

I know you know I meant how many games out, but that was a correct answer too. Lol

I love the Cs....but not a chance at top 3 without Tatum

I’m not talking about the whole season. I meant our record thus far. We have been in many clutch games and we lost like 6.

[Shak_Celts]

Last season or this season, stay quiet, and keep the blinders on. It’s not happening. I feel like I’m going crazy. Blame everybody except the people we should be able to count on. It’s funny.

Anywho, I knew we couldn’t count these 2 wins, because this rag-tag group hasn’t been consistent more than a game at a time. We can win a few in a row, but that doesn’t come from consistency, it comes from doing just enough more than once.

I’m a mod, I’m a mod, I’m a mod… *speaking to myself*


(I’m trying Parl, but I want to be messy messy!! )

Consistency comes from knowing your role and doing the same successful thing over and over
Joe's lineups and substitution patterns are chaotic. Can't get consistency this way

We all know that when we need to play a stretch of good defense we need at least 2 of Hugo, Walsh or Minott on the floor. We all called for Hugo last game and when he finally played we cut the deficit to 4. Then Genius Joe pulled him out.

If this is a breach year, we need to develop our guys by PLAYING them longer consistent stretches. I'd also play Queta each game until he fouls out or drops to the floor without air

I don't know what the management/coaching are doing

I understand that for our “other” pieces but what is the excuse for our top guys? No reason for inconsistency when they get plenty of minutes.

[Shak_Celts]

BTW, if this was an AOS vote situation, Derrick White wins walking away.

If White keeps playing like this, I'm starting to think packaging him with Simons for AD isn't such a bad idea after all.

No. Absolutely not. AD can’t stay on the court and he’s getting older.

[playa-hater]

Anyone in the right mind can not be happy with Minott's reduced role after his ascending to the starting lineup. He had one game where he was in Foul trouble, and lost both his starting role and his minutes were cut.

Still not sure why Hugo, who has showed promising flashes already at 19, gets so many DNPs all while Hauser is shooting horrifically bad. Ditto D White. And Baylor, despite his decent play, should not be getting minutes over Minott and/or Hugo.

It's simple, there isn't enough minutes to go around for Walsh, Hugo and Minott. They are pretty much the same players. All solid defensive players, weak offensive games. Boston has to play White, Pritchard and Simons a lot of minutes and sometimes Joe plays all 3 at the same time.
Minutes will free up this season for Walsh, Hugo and Minott if Simons is traded at some point. Boucher is arguably better than all 3 of those guys and he can't get minutes.

Disagree. Hauser is getting near 20 minutes?? per. White is around 30. Rico has played 3 straight games I think. Easily Hugo and Minott can get some of those player's minutes. Especially when Hauser is struggling mightily. Maybe rest White a bit when he is off. And Certainly Hugo and Minott can eat up any of Rico's minutes.

And your assertion that all 3 of Hugo, Minott and Walsh are "the same player" is a positive, not a negative in my eyes. 3 defensive dawgs, all of which have shown reasonable shooting to date (all above Hauser) while providing the all out energy that Boston clearly can use. In fact, their defense would lead us to better offensive opportunities as well.

In fact I would love to see 2 of those 3 in the game at all times rotating with each other.

[GrandTheftRondo]

White is shooting below 35% FG this season, absolutely unacceptable

He’s a third option.

I am a little surprised by how poorly he has shot but at the end of the day he is much better suited to playing next to Tatum

[return2glory]

Getting absolutely nothing from White and Hauser each night. Not enough depth to make up for it

Hauser, yes. Leave White's name out of that. He had a bad shooting night. For the season, he is averaging 15 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds, 1.7 steals and 1.2 blocks. That's pretty much were he has been the last few seasons. He's 3 point shooting is down but will come around. Some of you must have bought the hype that White was going to be an all-star this season and average about 20-25 points a game. That's not he's game.

To put Whites season in perspective, he is shooting below Smarts career average for both 2 and 3 pointers. And points per FGA, 15.3 versus 15.3, is worse than any season Smart had. I use Smart as an example, because he was trashed as being a bad shooter. Fond of Walsh, but its more than a bad game at this point IMO.

White's season? 16 games doesn't make a season. Besides, Smart played with Tatum and Brown and other talented players that could draw double teams. People underestimate the open looks Celtic players got in season's past when Tatum drew a lot of attention from the opposing defenses.
White's 3pt shooting isn't the only player that's been struggling to start the young season. Pritchard is shooting 33% from 3 so far, compared to 41% last season. Hauser is shooting 32% so far, compared to 42% last season. Our other 3pt shooters from last season (Al, Jrue and KP) aren't here anymore.

It's still way too early in the season. White, Pritchard and Hauser will shot better as the season goes along, but most likely not as good as last season. Tatum not playing this season is impacting these guys, because they are getting less open looks.

[return2glory]

Anyone in the right mind can not be happy with Minott's reduced role after his ascending to the starting lineup. He had one game where he was in Foul trouble, and lost both his starting role and his minutes were cut.

Still not sure why Hugo, who has showed promising flashes already at 19, gets so many DNPs all while Hauser is shooting horrifically bad. Ditto D White. And Baylor, despite his decent play, should not be getting minutes over Minott and/or Hugo.

It's simple, there isn't enough minutes to go around for Walsh, Hugo and Minott. They are pretty much the same players. All solid defensive players, weak offensive games. Boston has to play White, Pritchard and Simons a lot of minutes and sometimes Joe plays all 3 at the same time.
Minutes will free up this season for Walsh, Hugo and Minott if Simons is traded at some point. Boucher is arguably better than all 3 of those guys and he can't get minutes.

Disagree. Hauser is getting near 20 minutes?? per. White is around 30. Rico has played 3 straight games I think. Easily Hugo and Minott can get some of those player's minutes. Especially when Hauser is struggling mightily. Maybe rest White a bit when he is off. And Certainly Hugo and Minott can eat up any of Rico's minutes.

And your assertion that all 3 of Hugo, Minott and Walsh are "the same player" is a positive, not a negative in my eyes. 3 defensive dawgs, all of which have shown reasonable shooting to date (all above Hauser) while providing the all out energy that Boston clearly can use. In fact, their defense would lead us to better offensive opportunities as well.

In fact I would love to see 2 of those 3 in the game at all times rotating with each other.

Come on now. You really like Hauser. If Joe played him less, you would complain Joes isn't playing Hauser enough minutes. Hugo, Minott and Walsh aren't defensive dawgs. They are all solid defensive players with defensive potential to improve. Some of you really hype up these guys after a few good games. None of our "defensive dawgs" could slow down Porter Jr. They get in foul trouble a lot. Boston isn't tanking, so asking Joe to play White less in favor of Hugo or Minott is a joke. You should coach this team. We will win 10 games this season and all the tanking fans would love you. The owners would get rid of you in a year or two.

[return2glory]

Celtics should not be this bad.
While we lost several key Players, a lot of these Guys rode the Good Times, to the Finals.

Time to Player-Up.
There's not much in the way of leadership; outside of Jaylen, and an Injured Jayson.

Get it together.

Idk this team screams a .500 team to me, they’ll win some they aren’t expected to win and lose some like this. In the end I think we’re looking at around 40 wins unless we start shutting people down due to injuries or something

That's what most of us predicting before the season started, that this was a 40-44 win team. If everything went right aka have players having career years, then they could win a few more than the 40-44.

I said it a week again, at the 50 game mark, if we are around .500 still, they will try to make the playoffs, but if they are like 10 games below .500 at that time, I could see Brown, White and Pritchard start to get some "rest days/games off" the last 25-30 games. Which wouldn't be bad, considering this is a gap season and it's a deep draft.

[return2glory]

BTW, if this was an AOS vote situation, Derrick White wins walking away.

If White keeps playing like this, I'm starting to think packaging him with Simons for AD isn't such a bad idea after all.

If not a bad idea. It's a horrible idea.

You and AD have played the same amount of minutes in the last 10 games and you don't even play in the NBA.

[doogie_hauser]

BTW, if this was an AOS vote situation, Derrick White wins walking away.

If White keeps playing like this, I'm starting to think packaging him with Simons for AD isn't such a bad idea after all.

If not a bad idea. It's a horrible idea.

You and AD have played the same amount of minutes in the last 10 games and you don't even play in the NBA.

Derrick White, Simons, Garza and a ton of picks for Jalen Duren would be my dream trade (that's never going to happen lol)