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god shammgod wrote:
i think it's time guys, bring mentality back!!!!!!!!
AND Tobias Harris also sucksthebuzzardman wrote:RHODEY wrote:The roster is the same except for Clarkson. Yabu right now is worse than Achiuwa. And fundamentally we are still small, still don't have a dependable PG behind Brunson, still.dont.have a dependable big wing behind OG. You can't Coach those things into existence. The FO needs to figure this out.The KnicksFix wrote:
The roster is better than last year
We needed a coaching change. However, they went and got the 8th choice
Can't we all just get along?
The FO needs to address some roster shortcomings AND the coaching sucks.
3toheadmelo wrote:the kat trade and firing thibs pretty much ruined this team.
TheGreenArrow wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:the kat trade and firing thibs pretty much ruined this team.
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TheGreenArrow wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:the kat trade and firing thibs pretty much ruined this team.
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3toheadmelo wrote:god shammgod wrote:
i think it's time guys, bring mentality back!!!!!!!!
you know its bad when nykmentality has more common sense than this place
the reality is that dolan meddled in and got thibs fired. leon rose was not going to fire thibs and had plans on keeping him. when dolan got thibs fired it put leon rose in a shtty spot and we had no choice but to settle for mike brown.
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:spree8 wrote:jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
Feels a little early to spike the football about firing Thibs being the right decision. This front office gave big money to Evan Fournier once upon a time and had to use picks to get out of other bad contracts they had. Not sure pointing to them doing something as it being correct decision. But using your logic, why aren’t Payne, Precious, and Wright back with the team if the front office didn't think that last years bench was bad? Those guys are now either not rotation players or out of league. Mikal is clearly playing a lot better than last year but still isn’t the defender that we expected to get when we traded for him. Thibs was obviously wrong about playing 8 man rotations last year but the “kids” still aren’t playing. Does that make Mike Brown a “kid hater” too”
So because the FO signed Fournier they were wrong to fire Thibs?
Brown has Deuce, Jordan, Hart and Yabu to play ahead of the kids off the bench and still plays Kolek, Mo, and Huk some.. even Jemison suited up. Thibs was running 7 man rotations at this point last season man, cmon now.
Cam isn’t back because we signed Jordan. Delon didn’t come back because we signed Brogdon. Precious didn’t come back because they signed Yabu. All upgrades or so they thought. Plus we added new draftees and there’s a salary cap/2nd apron we’re at so after Brogdon went down we kept Mo and Shamet instead of bringing back Delon. Smarter move considering we already have Jalen, Deuce, Jordan, Kolek, Mikal, Shamet, at pg/sg…
I’m confused? You said the people that people point out the bench was bad or the kids weren’t going to help were toxic for pointing that out but you agree with them that the bench needed to upgrade cuz the kids aren’t good?
Also my point about Evan was that the front office has made several mistakes before and just cuz they fired Thibs doesn’t make it the right decision. You/them could still be right cuz there’s still a lot of season left and you might be able to rub it in our faces later on but the initial results have been suspect.
robillionaire wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:god shammgod wrote:
i think it's time guys, bring mentality back!!!!!!!!
you know its bad when nykmentality has more common sense than this place
the reality is that dolan meddled in and got thibs fired. leon rose was not going to fire thibs and had plans on keeping him. when dolan got thibs fired it put leon rose in a shtty spot and we had no choice but to settle for mike brown.
Say what you want about the rotations or the style but for the most part the players liked him or at least they bought in. Team calculator didn’t account for these intangibles. Josh hart looks like his soul has left his body
RHODEY wrote:AND Tobias Harris also sucksthebuzzardman wrote:RHODEY wrote:The roster is the same except for Clarkson. Yabu right now is worse than Achiuwa. And fundamentally we are still small, still don't have a dependable PG behind Brunson, still.dont.have a dependable big wing behind OG. You can't Coach those things into existence. The FO needs to figure this out.
Can't we all just get along?
The FO needs to address some roster shortcomings AND the coaching sucks.
3toheadmelo wrote:robillionaire wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:you know its bad when nykmentality has more common sense than this place
the reality is that dolan meddled in and got thibs fired. leon rose was not going to fire thibs and had plans on keeping him. when dolan got thibs fired it put leon rose in a shtty spot and we had no choice but to settle for mike brown.
Say what you want about the rotations or the style but for the most part the players liked him or at least they bought in. Team calculator didn’t account for these intangibles. Josh hart looks like his soul has left his body
the team never quit under thibs. they were all in. only mikal was crying. but who gives a fk about him. wasnt even worth the superstar package we gave him. has he even locked up any star wing this year? mike brown had no belief in him guarding wagner and ended up putting mitch on him. that says a lot.
god shammgod wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:god shammgod wrote:we might just be learning that unless you draft a few of your top players you face a really tough team winning it all. especially nowadays.
it used to be that young teams needed to wait until they were in their primes to have a chance at winning. but more than ever this year it seems that younger, athletic teams are thriving and older teams, some who should theoretically be in their prime, are having a harder time with the speed of the game. okc, houston, detroit, san antonio should have too many young guys to be this good but it doesn't seem to matter anymore.
It has pretty much always been that way. Drafting quality or good players is almost a necessity. Knicks havent drafted anyone that has stuck since Deuce which puts us at a disdvantage. We make up for it somewhat with signing some players on cheaper deals (Brunson). We missed the defensive energy of OG and Deuce, but even when they play we still look slow at times. But yea, thats why its worthwhile to try to develop some of these young guys. Not expecting stars, but if they could at least give some solid min with some energy it can help. We def still have other issues so that wont solve it all.
yes but i'm not just talking about the need to draft homegrown talent. look at the ages of some of these teams best players and how well those teams are doing -
cade 24, duren 22,
segun 23, amen 22
chet 23, jalen will 24
wemby 21, castle 21, vassel 25
it's different now
robillionaire wrote:...Save Brunson
The KnicksFix wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:robillionaire wrote:
Say what you want about the rotations or the style but for the most part the players liked him or at least they bought in. Team calculator didn’t account for these intangibles. Josh hart looks like his soul has left his body
the team never quit under thibs. they were all in. only mikal was crying. but who gives a fk about him. wasnt even worth the superstar package we gave him. has he even locked up any star wing this year? mike brown had no belief in him guarding wagner and ended up putting mitch on him. that says a lot.
Not for nothing though,
Mikal is wayyy too small to guard franz
The KnicksFix wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:robillionaire wrote:
Say what you want about the rotations or the style but for the most part the players liked him or at least they bought in. Team calculator didn’t account for these intangibles. Josh hart looks like his soul has left his body
the team never quit under thibs. they were all in. only mikal was crying. but who gives a fk about him. wasnt even worth the superstar package we gave him. has he even locked up any star wing this year? mike brown had no belief in him guarding wagner and ended up putting mitch on him. that says a lot.
Not for nothing though,
Mikal is wayyy too small to guard franz
spree8 wrote:I’m not against trading KAT in the right deal (Giannis) but AD? This ain’t 2k where you can turn injuries off… do I really need to post the non contact injury vids this man always gets? It’s hilarious
3toheadmelo wrote:The KnicksFix wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:the team never quit under thibs. they were all in. only mikal was crying. but who gives a fk about him. wasnt even worth the superstar package we gave him. has he even locked up any star wing this year? mike brown had no belief in him guarding wagner and ended up putting mitch on him. that says a lot.
Not for nothing though,
Mikal is wayyy too small to guard franz
so he wasn't worth the superstar package if he can't guard any of the star wings. so much for wingstop
3toheadmelo wrote:The KnicksFix wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:the team never quit under thibs. they were all in. only mikal was crying. but who gives a fk about him. wasnt even worth the superstar package we gave him. has he even locked up any star wing this year? mike brown had no belief in him guarding wagner and ended up putting mitch on him. that says a lot.
Not for nothing though,
Mikal is wayyy too small to guard franz
so he wasn't worth the superstar package if he can't guard any of the star wings. so much for wingstop
