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Lets hope that the Bucks keep losing and KAT turns up to elevate his trade value.

Bucks are only losing because Giannis is out

They are a good team built around him. They haven't figured out a way to win games while he is out.

I do think they should consider trading Kuzma for DeRozan. DeRozan while getting old would still give them a guy in the clutch to help the rest of their young guys, and not a terrible 2nd or 3rd option on a team with Giannis.

Yes him being out hurt but they started dropping games even with him playing. I think he's knows they are "good" with him but isnt sure if they can ever be "great" with him. Time will tell.

If they are something like 15-30 by time February comes along, I could see him asking for the trade

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Dood got 15 steals in 5 games and is the only defensive guard we got now that Shamet went down, with deuce second. But yes, please tell me more how Mikal is the problem defensively and not Hart who was the main guy defensively against Franz, and was at one point -22 and finished the game a game low -19. Tell me more bro.

you didn't answer the question. who has he locked up? we gave him a superstar package to do those things. not sure how you can even defend that trade. he's an good off ball defender but he gets cooked in his match ups.

and you do realize if we didnt give up all those picks for mikal, giannis would be a knick right now.

I know that’s the common assumption, but I don’t think we can definitively say that’s 100% true. Those picks are pretty meh and the Bucks are delusional enough to believe they have a chance to contend given the huge contract to Myles. They asked for Jalen in return this past summer, and that’s a helluva lot more value than those picks…

where did you see that the bucks asked for jalen?

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i think it's time guys, bring mentality back!!!!!!!!

The "denied 6-7x" kinda loses the plot. Wright, Kidd, Donovan, etc. were never really available. The only guy that was actually available who they seemed to take seriously was Jenkins and look how the Grizzlies look without him. I think he was a good choice. Also available:

Mike Malone: Recent champion. Always overachieved with his squads
Mike Bud: Recent Champion. Spurs tree. Winning track record with MIL and ATL
Frank Vogel: Recent Champion. Winning track record with LAL and IND. Forgettable stint with a forgettable Magic team.
Sam Cassell: Generally considered the best assistant in the league and well in line for a gig. Great rapport with players. Winning track record in playing and coaching days.
Johnnie Bryant: Former in house guy. Xs and Os wizard. Great rapport with our players. Ready for the move to the big time?

Like, all of these guys have their drawbacks but afaik we didn't even interview ANY of them. What??? I don't care what anyone says, that's a solid candidate list and we ignored it. I honestly think they wanted Brown all along and put up this facade with guys who weren't even available to say "look, we tried." And that, in my view, is a lot worse than the "rejected" narrative.

Yes, but that approach was always silly because it made Brown look like a consolation prize.

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This is exactly what I'm saying. The front office assessed that making Brown look like a consolation prize was better optics than hiring him outright right after firing Thibs. This being because Brown wasn't considered one of the best available coaches so we had to look like we exhausted (unobtainable) options with Jenkins thrown in there.

That's absolutely insane.

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Dood got 15 steals in 5 games and is the only defensive guard we got now that Shamet went down, with deuce second. But yes, please tell me more how Mikal is the problem defensively and not Hart who was the main guy defensively against Franz, and was at one point -22 and finished the game a game low -19. Tell me more bro.

you didn't answer the question. who has he locked up? we gave him a superstar package to do those things. not sure how you can even defend that trade. he's an good off ball defender but he gets cooked in his match ups.

and you do realize if we didnt give up all those picks for mikal, giannis would be a knick right now.

Yes. I absolutely think he was worth the trade. What’s your vendetta against Mikal? Him and OG showed up against the Celtics. He earned every single one of those picks he was traded for in the first two rounds of the playoffs last year.

The problem here defensively isn’t him or OG. It’s KAT and hart. Both of which, the time’s up. And they deserve to get traded. Yet you still haven’t answered my question. Aren’t you watching Hart get cooked night in and night out nowadays?

i dont think mikal is a bad player. he is having a solid year. but he absolutely was not worth that package we gave him. that was a package you give to someone like giannis. not a role player. that's my beef with him. if we didn't do that trade giannis would've been a knick already. if you're telling me you rather have mikal then giannis then idk what to tell you lol

hart has clearly lost his momentum playing under mike brown. never had this issue with him under thibs. so there's that. i dont mind moving him

i agree about kat he sucks

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you didn't answer the question. who has he locked up? we gave him a superstar package to do those things. not sure how you can even defend that trade. he's an good off ball defender but he gets cooked in his match ups.

and you do realize if we didnt give up all those picks for mikal, giannis would be a knick right now.

I know that’s the common assumption, but I don’t think we can definitively say that’s 100% true. Those picks are pretty meh and the Bucks are delusional enough to believe they have a chance to contend given the huge contract to Myles. They asked for Jalen in return this past summer, and that’s a helluva lot more value than those picks…

where did you see that the bucks asked for jalen?

Shams and The Athletic.. the FO told them he’s off limits during talks…

[The KnicksFix]

The "denied 6-7x" kinda loses the plot. Wright, Kidd, Donovan, etc. were never really available. The only guy that was actually available who they seemed to take seriously was Jenkins and look how the Grizzlies look without him. I think he was a good choice. Also available:

Mike Malone: Recent champion. Always overachieved with his squads
Mike Bud: Recent Champion. Spurs tree. Winning track record with MIL and ATL
Frank Vogel: Recent Champion. Winning track record with LAL and IND. Forgettable stint with a forgettable Magic team.
Sam Cassell: Generally considered the best assistant in the league and well in line for a gig. Great rapport with players. Winning track record in playing and coaching days.
Johnnie Bryant: Former in house guy. Xs and Os wizard. Great rapport with our players. Ready for the move to the big time?

Like, all of these guys have their drawbacks but afaik we didn't even interview ANY of them. What??? I don't care what anyone says, that's a solid candidate list and we ignored it. I honestly think they wanted Brown all along and put up this facade with guys who weren't even available to say "look, we tried." And that, in my view, is a lot worse than the "rejected" narrative.

Yes, but that approach was always silly because it made Brown look like a consolation prize.

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This is exactly what I'm saying. The front office assessed that making Brown look like a consolation prize was better optics than hiring him outright right after firing Thibs. This being because Brown wasn't considered one of the best available coaches so we had to look like we exhausted (unobtainable) options with Jenkins thrown in there.

That's absolutely insane.

Though I agree Thibs wasn’t the guy to get us over the hump, Mike Brown was definitely not the guy to hire

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you didn't answer the question. who has he locked up? we gave him a superstar package to do those things. not sure how you can even defend that trade. he's an good off ball defender but he gets cooked in his match ups.

and you do realize if we didnt give up all those picks for mikal, giannis would be a knick right now.

I know that’s the common assumption, but I don’t think we can definitively say that’s 100% true. Those picks are pretty meh and the Bucks are delusional enough to believe they have a chance to contend given the huge contract to Myles. They asked for Jalen in return this past summer, and that’s a helluva lot more value than those picks…

where did you see that the bucks asked for jalen?

Shams, Sam amick and the athletic

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I know that’s the common assumption, but I don’t think we can definitively say that’s 100% true. Those picks are pretty meh and the Bucks are delusional enough to believe they have a chance to contend given the huge contract to Myles. They asked for Jalen in return this past summer, and that’s a helluva lot more value than those picks…

where did you see that the bucks asked for jalen?

Shams and The Athletic.. the FO told them he’s off limits during talks…

yeah but shams also said that the knicks felt like the bucks weren't serious in their talks

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the funniest thing is:
- KAT sucks.
- lets trade him for a top 4 player in the league.
yeah, makes sense.

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Wolves are going out in the first round homie. And we do not!

are you talking about your raptors?

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you didn't answer the question. who has he locked up? we gave him a superstar package to do those things. not sure how you can even defend that trade. he's an good off ball defender but he gets cooked in his match ups.

and you do realize if we didnt give up all those picks for mikal, giannis would be a knick right now.

I know that’s the common assumption, but I don’t think we can definitively say that’s 100% true. Those picks are pretty meh and the Bucks are delusional enough to believe they have a chance to contend given the huge contract to Myles. They asked for Jalen in return this past summer, and that’s a helluva lot more value than those picks…

where did you see that the bucks asked for jalen?

Doesn't make sense at this point for them to ask for Jalen

They have Ryan Rollins who is 6 years younger and is developing into an elite two-way point guard

[The KnicksFix]

you didn't answer the question. who has he locked up? we gave him a superstar package to do those things. not sure how you can even defend that trade. he's an good off ball defender but he gets cooked in his match ups.

and you do realize if we didnt give up all those picks for mikal, giannis would be a knick right now.

Yes. I absolutely think he was worth the trade. What’s your vendetta against Mikal? Him and OG showed up against the Celtics. He earned every single one of those picks he was traded for in the first two rounds of the playoffs last year.

The problem here defensively isn’t him or OG. It’s KAT and hart. Both of which, the time’s up. And they deserve to get traded. Yet you still haven’t answered my question. Aren’t you watching Hart get cooked night in and night out nowadays?

i dont think mikal is a bad player. he is having a solid year. but he absolutely was not worth that package we gave him. that was a package you give to someone like giannis. not a role player. that's my beef with him. if we didn't do that trade giannis would've been a knick already. if you're telling me you rather have mikal then giannis then idk what to tell you lol

hart has clearly lost his momentum playing under mike brown. never had this issue with him under thibs. so there's that. i dont mind moving him

i agree about kat he sucks

The trade for giannis wasn’t there at the time. But the trade for Mikal was. Who’s to say that giannis was ever going to be moved? We made the trade for Mikal and got within two wins of the finals.

The problem with the Knicks isn’t Mikal. Or OG. Or even Brunson.

It’s the defensive liabilities of KAT and hart and JB on the court at the same time.

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are you talking about your raptors?

no.

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I know that’s the common assumption, but I don’t think we can definitively say that’s 100% true. Those picks are pretty meh and the Bucks are delusional enough to believe they have a chance to contend given the huge contract to Myles. They asked for Jalen in return this past summer, and that’s a helluva lot more value than those picks…

where did you see that the bucks asked for jalen?

Doesn't make sense at this point for them to ask for Jalen

They have Ryan Rollins who is 6 years younger and is developing into an elite two-way point guard

Rollins signed the 3 year deal in July of this offseason. They were still unsure of who they would have at guard after lillard was moved, which was why they asked for Jalen on trade talks

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9-6. Blow it all up. The season is over.

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where did you see that the bucks asked for jalen?

Shams and The Athletic.. the FO told them he’s off limits during talks…

yeah but shams also said that the knicks felt like the bucks weren't serious in their talks

Yea I wouldn’t be serious either after getting told Jalen ain’t on the table lol

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the funniest thing is:
- KAT sucks.
- lets trade him for a top 4 player in the league.
yeah, makes sense.

Only works if bucks continue to lose
With giannis on that team they look decent

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Shams and The Athletic.. the FO told them he’s off limits during talks…

yeah but shams also said that the knicks felt like the bucks weren't serious in their talks

Yea I wouldn’t be serious either after getting told Jalen ain’t on the table lol

Jalen shouldn’t be though
The Knicks have more than enough pieces to offer for Giannis not including the main cog of our team