PG - Knicks fooled easily by Magic

[Reign23]

the funniest thing is:
- KAT sucks.
- lets trade him for a top 4 player in the league.
yeah, makes sense.

Only works if bucks continue to lose
With giannis on that team they look decent

no they won't trade him for KAT. Because KAT sucks and is the reason why we are so bad. haven't you heard?

[The KnicksFix]

9-6. Blow it all up. The season is over.

Not gonna lie Blunt, you told us last year to remain calm until Mitch came back and we looked really good

[3toheadmelo]

Yes. I absolutely think he was worth the trade. What’s your vendetta against Mikal? Him and OG showed up against the Celtics. He earned every single one of those picks he was traded for in the first two rounds of the playoffs last year.

The problem here defensively isn’t him or OG. It’s KAT and hart. Both of which, the time’s up. And they deserve to get traded. Yet you still haven’t answered my question. Aren’t you watching Hart get cooked night in and night out nowadays?

i dont think mikal is a bad player. he is having a solid year. but he absolutely was not worth that package we gave him. that was a package you give to someone like giannis. not a role player. that's my beef with him. if we didn't do that trade giannis would've been a knick already. if you're telling me you rather have mikal then giannis then idk what to tell you lol

hart has clearly lost his momentum playing under mike brown. never had this issue with him under thibs. so there's that. i dont mind moving him

i agree about kat he sucks

The trade for giannis wasn’t there at the time. But the trade for Mikal was. Who’s to say that giannis was ever going to be moved? We made the trade for Mikal and got within two wins of the finals.

The problem with the Knicks isn’t Mikal. Or OG. Or even Brunson.

It’s the defensive liabilities of KAT and hart and JB on the court at the same time.

the knicks have been waiting for giannis for years man. that's been well reported by shams. if they held on to their picks like they were doing for a long time then giannis would've been here.

what we gave up for mikal was a star package. that's not feasible.

and yeah we almost went to the finals last year. yet mikal still complained to dolan about thibs and got him fired. so yeah im blaming mikal lol

[HEZI]

The hypocrisy of asking for patience now after making the game threads toxic after every game in what happened to be our best season in decades

Speaking for myself only I have a little more patience at 5 weeks than I do at 5 years

Says this guy

I don't know. They looked like a team that was competing harder in the playoffs but they were still a team with many issues. They were very lucky to get out of the 1st round last year against the Pistons. Now younger teams like the Pistons and Magic have another year of experience heading toward their peaks while this Knicks core may have already peaked.

These guys aren't going to magically get better defensively past their athletic primes. They are just going to get slower and more broken down at this point no matter who the coach is. Someone like Hart has been declining defensively for a few years now. A younger version of Mitch may have had a better chance of guarding Wagner. Mitch is still strong as hell but doesn't move quite as well anymore.

Same team as last year. Changed the coach but didn't address the roster issues so I doubt it would matter if the last coach was still here or not. I still don't understand why they didn't address the defense and not try to get more size on the perimeter. With OG out having someone like Mitch guarding a skilled perimeter player with size is a joke but it's not like they had much better options.

Loading up on more small guards again and using the taxpayer MLE on Yabu and somehow going for more offense and less defense will never make sense to me. At this point i'm just hoping they find another OG type trade to re-balance the roster but i'm not sure what appealing pieces they have to offer without creating another hole.

You just trying to play both sides of the field now. You don’t believe in the roster so miss me with this patience nonsense you trying to speak of now

[3toheadmelo]

Wolves are going out in the first round homie. And we do not!

are you talking about your raptors?

no.

just like how you said they were gonna be a play in team last year too. where did your raptors finish last year again?

[spree8]

yeah but shams also said that the knicks felt like the bucks weren't serious in their talks

Yea I wouldn’t be serious either after getting told Jalen ain’t on the table lol

Jalen shouldn’t be though
The Knicks have more than enough pieces to offer for Giannis not including the main cog of our team

I agree, but the issue is the massive lack of creativity from our front office.. they just don’t really do much outside the box (other than crunch numbers and maneuver the cap on the margins), so while it’s certainly possible to come up with multi-team trades to make an enticing fair offer for the Bucks.. I highly doubt we did.. it was probably some generic offer that they were underwhelmed about especially after being shot down for Jalen..

[Reign23]

are you talking about your raptors?

no.

just like how you said they were gonna be a play in team last year too. where did your raptors finish last year again?

they were depleted by injuries early on. happens...
but they won't change the fact that the wolves go out early this season

[3toheadmelo]

no.

just like how you said they were gonna be a play in team last year too. where did your raptors finish last year again?

they were depleted by injuries early on. happens...
but they won't change the fact that the wolves go out early this season

doesn't change the fact your boy hasn't gotten to the playoffs once since we got rid of him

[jvsimonetti0514]

Hey, can someone tell me how Kolek and Diawara looked

Also, I saw that Kolek and Brunson played minutes. I can't believe it actually happened!

Someone please give me some positives, any!

Kolek had a few nice moments but missed some free throws that were big in the moment. Diawarra made 2 nice plays but the rest of his minutes were pretty bad.

[Obi-One]

yeah but shams also said that the knicks felt like the bucks weren't serious in their talks

Yea I wouldn’t be serious either after getting told Jalen ain’t on the table lol

Jalen shouldn’t be though
The Knicks have more than enough pieces to offer for Giannis not including the main cog of our team

So what’s your offer then? Let’s hear it.

[MrDollarBills]

9-6. Blow it all up. The season is over.

It's not even Thanksgiving.

[spree8]

i dont think mikal is a bad player. he is having a solid year. but he absolutely was not worth that package we gave him. that was a package you give to someone like giannis. not a role player. that's my beef with him. if we didn't do that trade giannis would've been a knick already. if you're telling me you rather have mikal then giannis then idk what to tell you lol

hart has clearly lost his momentum playing under mike brown. never had this issue with him under thibs. so there's that. i dont mind moving him

i agree about kat he sucks

The trade for giannis wasn’t there at the time. But the trade for Mikal was. Who’s to say that giannis was ever going to be moved? We made the trade for Mikal and got within two wins of the finals.

The problem with the Knicks isn’t Mikal. Or OG. Or even Brunson.

It’s the defensive liabilities of KAT and hart and JB on the court at the same time.

the knicks have been waiting for giannis for years man. that's been well reported by shams. if they held on to their picks like they were doing for a long time then giannis would've been here.

what we gave up for mikal was a star package. that's not feasible.

and yeah we almost went to the finals last year. yet mikal still complained to dolan about thibs and got him fired. so yeah im blaming mikal lol

I think the FO gets lost a lot in these battles between the players and coaches… they really should be public enemy #1 imo.

They seem to operate without a plan to be honest… like nobody can tell me Jalen was their guy all along because we gave out trash ass long-term contracts the offseason before he hit free agency… and we got almost supernaturally lucky Dallas didn’t retain him.

Even Julius.. they just kinda walked into that fortune because nobody in the galaxy thought he’d have an All-NBA season in 2021.. not even you bro lol. Hence the drafting of Obi in 2020.

But even with their absolutely unforgivable draft approach/handling, free agency blunders (Yabu, etc.. and how did they not give iHart a TO for a 3rd year knowing the rules on not being able to retain him), and poor trade strategy (Obi & Grimes for peanuts, passing up on Donovan, overpay for Mikal), I think the worst is that they’ve really had no plan this whole time lol… if they had interest in Giannis all along, then it’s even more unforgivable they put themselves in a spot where he was never a realistic option…

[JayTWill]

The hypocrisy of asking for patience now after making the game threads toxic after every game in what happened to be our best season in decades

Speaking for myself only I have a little more patience at 5 weeks than I do at 5 years

Says this guy

I don't know. They looked like a team that was competing harder in the playoffs but they were still a team with many issues. They were very lucky to get out of the 1st round last year against the Pistons. Now younger teams like the Pistons and Magic have another year of experience heading toward their peaks while this Knicks core may have already peaked.

These guys aren't going to magically get better defensively past their athletic primes. They are just going to get slower and more broken down at this point no matter who the coach is. Someone like Hart has been declining defensively for a few years now. A younger version of Mitch may have had a better chance of guarding Wagner. Mitch is still strong as hell but doesn't move quite as well anymore.

Same team as last year. Changed the coach but didn't address the roster issues so I doubt it would matter if the last coach was still here or not. I still don't understand why they didn't address the defense and not try to get more size on the perimeter. With OG out having someone like Mitch guarding a skilled perimeter player with size is a joke but it's not like they had much better options.

Loading up on more small guards again and using the taxpayer MLE on Yabu and somehow going for more offense and less defense will never make sense to me. At this point i'm just hoping they find another OG type trade to re-balance the roster but i'm not sure what appealing pieces they have to offer without creating another hole.

You just trying to play both sides of the field now. You don’t believe in the roster so miss me with this patience nonsense you trying to speak of now

I was speaking about having more patience with a coach and his issues after 5 weeks than I would have a coach and his issues after 5 years. I have no idea what those quotes have to do with any of that. And please let go of the "sides" argument with me. It's getting old. I care about the team. Not making the players, coach or front office look better or worse.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Yes. I absolutely think he was worth the trade. What’s your vendetta against Mikal? Him and OG showed up against the Celtics. He earned every single one of those picks he was traded for in the first two rounds of the playoffs last year.

The problem here defensively isn’t him or OG. It’s KAT and hart. Both of which, the time’s up. And they deserve to get traded. Yet you still haven’t answered my question. Aren’t you watching Hart get cooked night in and night out nowadays?

i dont think mikal is a bad player. he is having a solid year. but he absolutely was not worth that package we gave him. that was a package you give to someone like giannis. not a role player. that's my beef with him. if we didn't do that trade giannis would've been a knick already. if you're telling me you rather have mikal then giannis then idk what to tell you lol

hart has clearly lost his momentum playing under mike brown. never had this issue with him under thibs. so there's that. i dont mind moving him

i agree about kat he sucks

The trade for giannis wasn’t there at the time. But the trade for Mikal was. Who’s to say that giannis was ever going to be moved? We made the trade for Mikal and got within two wins of the finals.

The problem with the Knicks isn’t Mikal. Or OG. Or even Brunson.

It’s the defensive liabilities of KAT and hart and JB on the court at the same time.

We sent out picks ONLY for Mikal. I don't think any of the players we used for salary are even still in the league. It was not a superstar package. I agree we sent out a couple too many picks though. 3 is my limit.

That trade has hurt the teams ability to acquire enough talent to put us over the top. Other teams have youth elevating them. We haven't drafted anyone worth discussing in years.

[Capn'O]

Yes, but that approach was always silly because it made Brown look like a consolation prize.

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This is exactly what I'm saying. The front office assessed that making Brown look like a consolation prize was better optics than hiring him outright right after firing Thibs. This being because Brown wasn't considered one of the best available coaches so we had to look like we exhausted (unobtainable) options with Jenkins thrown in there.

That's absolutely insane.

Though I agree Thibs wasn’t the guy to get us over the hump, Mike Brown was definitely not the guy to hire

Right. He wasn't that guy but he's a pretty darn good coach. We had to knock the hire out of the park to improve and we didn't.

[3toheadmelo]

The trade for giannis wasn’t there at the time. But the trade for Mikal was. Who’s to say that giannis was ever going to be moved? We made the trade for Mikal and got within two wins of the finals.

The problem with the Knicks isn’t Mikal. Or OG. Or even Brunson.

It’s the defensive liabilities of KAT and hart and JB on the court at the same time.

the knicks have been waiting for giannis for years man. that's been well reported by shams. if they held on to their picks like they were doing for a long time then giannis would've been here.

what we gave up for mikal was a star package. that's not feasible.

and yeah we almost went to the finals last year. yet mikal still complained to dolan about thibs and got him fired. so yeah im blaming mikal lol

I think the FO gets lost a lot in these battles between the players and coaches… they really should be public enemy #1 imo.

They seem to operate without a plan to be honest… like nobody can tell me Jalen was their guy all along because we gave out trash ass long-term contracts the offseason before he hit free agency… and we got almost supernaturally lucky Dallas didn’t retain him.

Even Julius.. they just kinda walked into that fortune because nobody in the galaxy thought he’d have an All-NBA season in 2021.. not even you bro lol. Hence the drafting of Obi in 2020.

But even with their absolutely unforgivable draft approach/handling, free agency blunders (Yabu, etc.. and how did they not give iHart a TO for a 3rd year knowing the rules on not being able to retain him), and poor trade strategy (Obi & Grimes for peanuts, passing up on Donovan, overpay for Mikal), I think the worst is that they’ve really had no plan this whole time lol… if they had interest in Giannis all along, then it’s even more unforgivable they put themselves in a spot where he was never a realistic option…

yeah theyve had a bunch of questionable decisions. it did seemed like they had a plan after trading rj for og though. that jan 2024 team seemed like the ultimate thibs team.

[HEZI]

Speaking for myself only I have a little more patience at 5 weeks than I do at 5 years

Says this guy

I don't know. They looked like a team that was competing harder in the playoffs but they were still a team with many issues. They were very lucky to get out of the 1st round last year against the Pistons. Now younger teams like the Pistons and Magic have another year of experience heading toward their peaks while this Knicks core may have already peaked.

These guys aren't going to magically get better defensively past their athletic primes. They are just going to get slower and more broken down at this point no matter who the coach is. Someone like Hart has been declining defensively for a few years now. A younger version of Mitch may have had a better chance of guarding Wagner. Mitch is still strong as hell but doesn't move quite as well anymore.

Same team as last year. Changed the coach but didn't address the roster issues so I doubt it would matter if the last coach was still here or not. I still don't understand why they didn't address the defense and not try to get more size on the perimeter. With OG out having someone like Mitch guarding a skilled perimeter player with size is a joke but it's not like they had much better options.

Loading up on more small guards again and using the taxpayer MLE on Yabu and somehow going for more offense and less defense will never make sense to me. At this point i'm just hoping they find another OG type trade to re-balance the roster but i'm not sure what appealing pieces they have to offer without creating another hole.

You just trying to play both sides of the field now. You don’t believe in the roster so miss me with this patience nonsense you trying to speak of now

I was speaking about having more patience with a coach and his issues after 5 weeks than I would have a coach and his issues after 5 years. I have no idea what those quotes have to do with any of that. And please let go of the "sides" argument with me. It's getting old. I care about the team. Not making the players, coach or front office look better or worse.

You do play both sides of the field. Are you saying the roster we had 5 years is the same we have now? Just last summer we had 2 blockbuster trades after having completed a big trade at the deadline. We also lost what was essentially our starting bigman in free agency. Forget the 5 years just the last 2 years we went through major roster changes. If there was a time to be patient it was last year. This is the same group now. Where is the chemistry? Where is the familiarity?

What’s so funny about this is how last year I was told to look at the Cavs and look at what Atkinson did for them. Look at this guy look at that guy all we need to do is get rid of Thibs and bring in a more modern coach who won’t hold them back.

Now I’m being told to have patience

[spree8]

the knicks have been waiting for giannis for years man. that's been well reported by shams. if they held on to their picks like they were doing for a long time then giannis would've been here.

what we gave up for mikal was a star package. that's not feasible.

and yeah we almost went to the finals last year. yet mikal still complained to dolan about thibs and got him fired. so yeah im blaming mikal lol

I think the FO gets lost a lot in these battles between the players and coaches… they really should be public enemy #1 imo.

They seem to operate without a plan to be honest… like nobody can tell me Jalen was their guy all along because we gave out trash ass long-term contracts the offseason before he hit free agency… and we got almost supernaturally lucky Dallas didn’t retain him.

Even Julius.. they just kinda walked into that fortune because nobody in the galaxy thought he’d have an All-NBA season in 2021.. not even you bro lol. Hence the drafting of Obi in 2020.

But even with their absolutely unforgivable draft approach/handling, free agency blunders (Yabu, etc.. and how did they not give iHart a TO for a 3rd year knowing the rules on not being able to retain him), and poor trade strategy (Obi & Grimes for peanuts, passing up on Donovan, overpay for Mikal), I think the worst is that they’ve really had no plan this whole time lol… if they had interest in Giannis all along, then it’s even more unforgivable they put themselves in a spot where he was never a realistic option…

yeah theyve had a bunch of questionable decisions. it did seemed like they had a plan after trading rj for og though. that jan 2024 team seemed like the ultimate thibs team.

Yea at that point things were coming together but I think it all fell apart because one of their biggest mistakes of not signing iHart to a 3yr deal came back to bite them. That was the catalyst for the big change… if I was in the FO and knew that you could lose a player after only having him 2 years.. I would never give out 2yr contracts.. it makes absolutely no sense.. just give a TO for the 3rd year… iHart never made any money before that, no doubt he would’ve taken 3 yrs at 8m per… just dumb

[3toheadmelo]

I think the FO gets lost a lot in these battles between the players and coaches… they really should be public enemy #1 imo.

They seem to operate without a plan to be honest… like nobody can tell me Jalen was their guy all along because we gave out trash ass long-term contracts the offseason before he hit free agency… and we got almost supernaturally lucky Dallas didn’t retain him.

Even Julius.. they just kinda walked into that fortune because nobody in the galaxy thought he’d have an All-NBA season in 2021.. not even you bro lol. Hence the drafting of Obi in 2020.

But even with their absolutely unforgivable draft approach/handling, free agency blunders (Yabu, etc.. and how did they not give iHart a TO for a 3rd year knowing the rules on not being able to retain him), and poor trade strategy (Obi & Grimes for peanuts, passing up on Donovan, overpay for Mikal), I think the worst is that they’ve really had no plan this whole time lol… if they had interest in Giannis all along, then it’s even more unforgivable they put themselves in a spot where he was never a realistic option…

yeah theyve had a bunch of questionable decisions. it did seemed like they had a plan after trading rj for og though. that jan 2024 team seemed like the ultimate thibs team.

Yea at that point things were coming together but I think it all fell apart because one of their biggest mistakes of not signing iHart to a 3yr deal came back to bite them. That was the catalyst for the big change… if I was in the FO and knew that you could lose a player after only having him 2 years.. I would never give out 2yr contracts.. it makes absolutely no sense.. just give a TO for the 3rd year… iHart never made any money before that, no doubt he would’ve taken 3 yrs at 8m per… just dumb

yeah they kinda fked up without a 3rd team year option. but to their defense i also feel like nobody expected ihart to play that well in his 2nd year. cause he he did suck in his 1st year with us. maybe thats why they only gave him 2 years because he wasn't really that good before he was a knick.

[spree8]

yeah theyve had a bunch of questionable decisions. it did seemed like they had a plan after trading rj for og though. that jan 2024 team seemed like the ultimate thibs team.

Yea at that point things were coming together but I think it all fell apart because one of their biggest mistakes of not signing iHart to a 3yr deal came back to bite them. That was the catalyst for the big change… if I was in the FO and knew that you could lose a player after only having him 2 years.. I would never give out 2yr contracts.. it makes absolutely no sense.. just give a TO for the 3rd year… iHart never made any money before that, no doubt he would’ve taken 3 yrs at 8m per… just dumb

yeah they kinda fked up without a 3rd team year option. but to their defense i also feel like nobody expected ihart to play that well in his 2nd year. cause he he did suck in his 1st year with us. maybe thats why they only gave him 2 years because he wasn't really that good before he was a knick.

I think just knowing that Bird Rights rule, you have to include a 3rd year TO to everybody that you’re willing to give a 2 yr contract to because it’s literally the same exact thing.. you’re just protecting yourself in case a player has a career year. It’s the prudent move, but it’s just a testament to their consistent lack of a plan.. I really dislike this FO if you couldn’t tell lol… no FO is perfect and they made some redeeming moves, but their constant blunders are mind numbing for me