PG - Knicks fooled easily by Magic

[gavran]

I think just knowing that Bird Rights rule, you have to include a 3rd year TO to everybody that you’re willing to give a 2 yr contract to because it’s literally the same exact thing.. you’re just protecting yourself in case a player has a career year. It’s the prudent move, but it’s just a testament to their consistent lack of a plan.. I really dislike this FO if you couldn’t tell lol… no FO is perfect and they made some redeeming moves, but their constant blunders are mind numbing for me

You do know that the 3rd year team option has to be accepted by the player you plan to sign right? I have no idea why people think a contract negotiation is not between 2 independemt parties. What I do know is players like the one we don't name at the age of 24 would be stupid to sign any deal with a team option at the end. And he didn't. Now add 2 and 2 together.

What on earth are you blabbering about? Why wouldn’t a 24 year old player sign a 3 yr 28m contract when the sum total of his previous 4 years in the league on 3 different teams (was waived by 1, traded by another, and the 3rd team he signed with didn’t re-sign him) with is a whopping 5.5m dollars lol. You don't know that he declined a contract with a TO for a third year… that’s an assumption. Telling me to add 2 and 2 together lol FOH

[Guano]

This is facts. He had the highest +/- last year and is 2nd highest this year to OG

Iron don't want you to miss this key part

OG is GREAT for the Knicks. In fact, based on the teams construction, he's probably the most important piece because we need elite defenders around Brunson and KAT for this team to reach it's potential. He ties it all together.

My main issue is with OG's availability...or lack thereof. The team can't function properly without him; an important cog in the machine is M.I.A.

Guys on the team battle through discomfort. Yet he doesn't play at all if there's a hint of discomfort....then the team struggles to find defense in his absence....and the board goes into full meltdown mode.

He tried playing with a bad injury in the playoffs the prior year

So I dont think the implication that he is unwilling to play through pain is legit but I do think he is injury prone. Which sucks.


But og talk is a distraction from kat not playing to the standards we need him.

[prophet_of_rage]

The trade for giannis wasn’t there at the time. But the trade for Mikal was. Who’s to say that giannis was ever going to be moved? We made the trade for Mikal and got within two wins of the finals.

The problem with the Knicks isn’t Mikal. Or OG. Or even Brunson.

It’s the defensive liabilities of KAT and hart and JB on the court at the same time.

the knicks have been waiting for giannis for years man. that's been well reported by shams. if they held on to their picks like they were doing for a long time then giannis would've been here.

what we gave up for mikal was a star package. that's not feasible.

and yeah we almost went to the finals last year. yet mikal still complained to dolan about thibs and got him fired. so yeah im blaming mikal lol

The rest of the league was waiting on giannis to become available. Were the Knicks supposed to sit and keep waiting? That’s like waiting on your high school crush to become available. But she finally likes you after she gets fat, has three kids and is divorced. The Knicks had to make moves. Mikal is not the problem. I’ll beat the dead horse. You cannot win with a lineup of JB KAT and Hart. Something has to give because Hart is giving up wayyyyy too many points night after night.

If you’re going to make moves those are the first two that have to go. If not , get JVG. But as constructed they aren’t enough.

You're scapegoating Hart. Mikal isn't held back by any of the 3. Mikal is a delicate player with a laidback attitude.

There are too many laidback players on this team. It is a complicated fix.

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[3toheadmelo]

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[prophet_of_rage]

If we beat these g-leaguers then Mike Brown is the goat.

If we lose its cause no OG, its early, learning new offense, Mitch minutes restriction, experiments, the east is crazy goood now..etc

The excuses aren’t doing it since I’m accustomed to being berated for supporting and defending this team including the coach for the past 5 years. But I would take ownership of everything that happened for better or worse in that time period including the culmination of a conference finals run that ended disappointingly. I’d do it all over again. We had an identity and a vision and a nearly consistently upward trajectory.

Your turn to own it brown clowns. You have your utopia, this is the grand vision come to life, you drove off Randle, convinced Dolan to fire the coach, no picks until 2032 to get Mikal. we’re got the calculator out saying how great we are oh the net rating oh the ball movement what a breath of fresh air! So now I’m going to need to see something pretty damn fast. A trip to the finals was supposed to be priced in and now we look helpless against the Magic who just toy with us. We were just in the conference finals!

Oh but it must just be exclusively that a 5x all star(started in the AS game 8 months ago)3x all nba hall of fame bound big man forgot how to play. Even though he was in the conference finals the past two years with two different teams and two different coaches, no he’s now just a losing player holding us all back. Let’s just Randle him out of town too and everything will be magical. But could it be this coach is in over his head and has no idea what he’s doing? When was this dude ever a good coach? When LeBron carried him back before the iPhone was invented? The kings fired him after 31 games last year maybe we need to do the same now before this gets worse. Patience is zero. Brunson’s prime is now in jeopardy. Win now or get out. Now. Save Brunson

Fans said we would play 5 out with Deuce staring, the defense would be much better with switching, the kids would develop, no one gets injured, cause the rotation would be 11-12 deep every night, KAT would be used the right way. Its still early but why haven't these things happened yet..

Because Deuce isn't good. The kids aren't good. Injuries aren't exactly related to minutes played.

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[RHODEY]

Iron don't want you to miss this key part

OG is GREAT for the Knicks. In fact, based on the teams construction, he's probably the most important piece because we need elite defenders around Brunson and KAT for this team to reach it's potential. He ties it all together.

My main issue is with OG's availability...or lack thereof. The team can't function properly without him; an important cog in the machine is M.I.A.

Guys on the team battle through discomfort. Yet he doesn't play at all if there's a hint of discomfort....then the team struggles to find defense in his absence....and the board goes into full meltdown mode.

He tried playing with a bad injury in the playoffs the prior year

So I dont think the implication that he is unwilling to play through pain is legit but I do think he is injury prone. Which sucks.


But og talk is a distraction from kat not playing to the standards we need him.

. It a pick your poison situation....let's say a trade for Giannis is on the table and you had the chose between Towns or OG as the principle piece....Do you pick the guy that always gives 100% when he plays but is prone to miss 6-8 weeks out of every season or....pick the guy that is healthier/plays when banged up but is prone to disappear randomly or against elite team defenses?

[spree8]

The excuses aren’t doing it since I’m accustomed to being berated for supporting and defending this team including the coach for the past 5 years. But I would take ownership of everything that happened for better or worse in that time period including the culmination of a conference finals run that ended disappointingly. I’d do it all over again. We had an identity and a vision and a nearly consistently upward trajectory.

Your turn to own it brown clowns. You have your utopia, this is the grand vision come to life, you drove off Randle, convinced Dolan to fire the coach, no picks until 2032 to get Mikal. we’re got the calculator out saying how great we are oh the net rating oh the ball movement what a breath of fresh air! So now I’m going to need to see something pretty damn fast. A trip to the finals was supposed to be priced in and now we look helpless against the Magic who just toy with us. We were just in the conference finals!

Oh but it must just be exclusively that a 5x all star(started in the AS game 8 months ago)3x all nba hall of fame bound big man forgot how to play. Even though he was in the conference finals the past two years with two different teams and two different coaches, no he’s now just a losing player holding us all back. Let’s just Randle him out of town too and everything will be magical. But could it be this coach is in over his head and has no idea what he’s doing? When was this dude ever a good coach? When LeBron carried him back before the iPhone was invented? The kings fired him after 31 games last year maybe we need to do the same now before this gets worse. Patience is zero. Brunson’s prime is now in jeopardy. Win now or get out. Now. Save Brunson

9-6 start with injuries to key players, having new shyt to learn, etc.. the crash out crew gettting more crazy when told to relax is hilarious

[ctorres]

Hey, can someone tell me how Kolek and Diawara looked

Also, I saw that Kolek and Brunson played minutes. I can't believe it actually happened!

Someone please give me some positives, any!

Kolek had a few nice moments but missed some free throws that were big in the moment. Diawarra made 2 nice plays but the rest of his minutes were pretty bad.

Accepting their mistakes while they get the first taste of real playing time is part of their development!

[Iron Mantis]

Iron don't want you to miss this key part

OG is GREAT for the Knicks. In fact, based on the teams construction, he's probably the most important piece because we need elite defenders around Brunson and KAT for this team to reach it's potential. He ties it all together.

My main issue is with OG's availability...or lack thereof. The team can't function properly without him; an important cog in the machine is M.I.A.

Guys on the team battle through discomfort. Yet he doesn't play at all if there's a hint of discomfort....then the team struggles to find defense in his absence....and the board goes into full meltdown mode.

He tried playing with a bad injury in the playoffs the prior year

So I dont think the implication that he is unwilling to play through pain is legit but I do think he is injury prone. Which sucks.


But og talk is a distraction from kat not playing to the standards we need him.

All metrics point to KAT as having a positive impact on winning, despite his shooting slump, which he will get out of. So the panic is overblown. When those metrics start turning negative then it's time to panic.

And if OG has the biggest impact on the Knicks defense....and the overall impact on the Knicks winning or losing....why is he not allowed to catch heat for being injury prone and thus, the Knicks losing because of this?

So far we have a losing record without him.... But fortunately we have some cupcake games coming up that I hope we can win. He was brought here to guard the toughest assignment every night. When he's not here who is supposed to do that? KAT?

The best ability is availability. We need him to play.

[Guano]

OG is GREAT for the Knicks. In fact, based on the teams construction, he's probably the most important piece because we need elite defenders around Brunson and KAT for this team to reach it's potential. He ties it all together.

My main issue is with OG's availability...or lack thereof. The team can't function properly without him; an important cog in the machine is M.I.A.

Guys on the team battle through discomfort. Yet he doesn't play at all if there's a hint of discomfort....then the team struggles to find defense in his absence....and the board goes into full meltdown mode.

He tried playing with a bad injury in the playoffs the prior year

So I dont think the implication that he is unwilling to play through pain is legit but I do think he is injury prone. Which sucks.


But og talk is a distraction from kat not playing to the standards we need him.

. It a pick your poison situation....let's say a trade for Giannis is on the table and you had the chose between Towns or OG as the principle piece....Do you pick the guy that always gives 100% when he plays but is prone to miss 6-8 weeks out of every season or....pick the guy that is healthier/plays when banged up but is prone to disappear randomly or against elite team defenses?

Id trade em both for giannis

[HEZI]

I was speaking about having more patience with a coach and his issues after 5 weeks than I would have a coach and his issues after 5 years. I have no idea what those quotes have to do with any of that. And please let go of the "sides" argument with me. It's getting old. I care about the team. Not making the players, coach or front office look better or worse.

You do play both sides of the field. Are you saying the roster we had 5 years is the same we have now? Just last summer we had 2 blockbuster trades after having completed a big trade at the deadline. We also lost what was essentially our starting bigman in free agency. Forget the 5 years just the last 2 years we went through major roster changes. If there was a time to be patient it was last year. This is the same group now. Where is the chemistry? Where is the familiarity?

What’s so funny about this is how last year I was told to look at the Cavs and look at what Atkinson did for them. Look at this guy look at that guy all we need to do is get rid of Thibs and bring in a more modern coach who won’t hold them back.

Now I’m being told to have patience

I was the weirdo defending T**** for playing Sims early last year instead of throwing Hukporti out there the same way I defended Brown for playing Shamet early in the season and not just throwing the young guys out there while trying to establish a new system. I have also commented on Brown shortening the rotation at times recently due to injury loading up on heavy minutes on some of the starters the same way I did with the last guy. Wow! Incredible how that can happen.

I'm not too critical of Brown at the moment because I don't actually know him that well while I had seen some of the good and bad habits of the previous coach for years.

I don't know Mike Brown. I never praised the Brown hire. I don't come in here trying to dunk anyone anytime we look good with Mike Brown as the coach to make T**** look worse so please cut the nonsense with me. Playing both sides? I want the team to do well. I'm not trying to win some imaginary individual battle for "My guy" constantly whether it is a coach or a certain player.

You question anyone that questions Mike Brown but when you get put in the spotlight to defend him then your cop out answer is I don’t know him This is exactly what I’m talking about

[3toheadmelo]

A lot of complaining in here, myself included, but our next two games are against high school squads so I'm assuming all will be forgotten.

If we beat these g-leaguers then Mike Brown is the goat.

If we lose its cause no OG, its early, learning new offense, Mitch minutes restriction, experiments, the east is crazy goood now..etc

The excuses aren’t doing it since I’m accustomed to being berated for supporting and defending this team including the coach for the past 5 years. But I would take ownership of everything that happened for better or worse in that time period including the culmination of a conference finals run that ended disappointingly. I’d do it all over again. We had an identity and a vision and a nearly consistently upward trajectory.

Your turn to own it brown clowns. You have your utopia, this is the grand vision come to life, you drove off Randle, convinced Dolan to fire the coach, no picks until 2032 to get Mikal. we’re got the calculator out saying how great we are oh the net rating oh the ball movement what a breath of fresh air! So now I’m going to need to see something pretty damn fast. A trip to the finals was supposed to be priced in and now we look helpless against the Magic who just toy with us. We were just in the conference finals!

Oh but it must just be exclusively that a 5x all star(started in the AS game 8 months ago)3x all nba hall of fame bound big man forgot how to play. Even though he was in the conference finals the past two years with two different teams and two different coaches, no he’s now just a losing player holding us all back. Let’s just Randle him out of town too and everything will be magical. But could it be this coach is in over his head and has no idea what he’s doing? When was this dude ever a good coach? When LeBron carried him back before the iPhone was invented? The kings fired him after 31 games last year maybe we need to do the same now before this gets worse. Patience is zero. Brunson’s prime is now in jeopardy. Win now or get out. Now. Save Brunson

i like this post


but trade kat too

[Guano]

OG is GREAT for the Knicks. In fact, based on the teams construction, he's probably the most important piece because we need elite defenders around Brunson and KAT for this team to reach it's potential. He ties it all together.

My main issue is with OG's availability...or lack thereof. The team can't function properly without him; an important cog in the machine is M.I.A.

Guys on the team battle through discomfort. Yet he doesn't play at all if there's a hint of discomfort....then the team struggles to find defense in his absence....and the board goes into full meltdown mode.

He tried playing with a bad injury in the playoffs the prior year

So I dont think the implication that he is unwilling to play through pain is legit but I do think he is injury prone. Which sucks.


But og talk is a distraction from kat not playing to the standards we need him.

All metrics point to KAT as having a positive impact on winning, despite his shooting slump, which he will get out of. So the panic is overblown. When those metrics start turning negative then it's time to panic.

And if OG has the biggest impact on the Knicks defense....and the overall impact on the Knicks winning or losing....why is he not allowed to catch heat for being injury prone and thus, the Knicks losing because of this?

So far we have a losing record without him.... But fortunately we have some cupcake games coming up that I hope we can win. He was brought here to guard the toughest assignment every night. When he's not here who is supposed to do that? KAT?

The best ability is availability. We need him to play.

Kats our highest paid player. We should expect him to impact do more than an overpaid 2 way role playing demon.

Its clear kat impacts winning a lot.It's evident in last payoff run. When he is on(offensively) we are hard to beat.

Right now it is hard to watch this team with how poor he is playing. Just a miserable experience. And were not winning sht unless he gets right.

[Guano]

Too lazy to find robs post to and1 but I enjoyed it especially "brown clowns"

I hope that one sticks

[JayTWill]

You do play both sides of the field. Are you saying the roster we had 5 years is the same we have now? Just last summer we had 2 blockbuster trades after having completed a big trade at the deadline. We also lost what was essentially our starting bigman in free agency. Forget the 5 years just the last 2 years we went through major roster changes. If there was a time to be patient it was last year. This is the same group now. Where is the chemistry? Where is the familiarity?

What’s so funny about this is how last year I was told to look at the Cavs and look at what Atkinson did for them. Look at this guy look at that guy all we need to do is get rid of Thibs and bring in a more modern coach who won’t hold them back.

Now I’m being told to have patience

I was the weirdo defending T**** for playing Sims early last year instead of throwing Hukporti out there the same way I defended Brown for playing Shamet early in the season and not just throwing the young guys out there while trying to establish a new system. I have also commented on Brown shortening the rotation at times recently due to injury loading up on heavy minutes on some of the starters the same way I did with the last guy. Wow! Incredible how that can happen.

I'm not too critical of Brown at the moment because I don't actually know him that well while I had seen some of the good and bad habits of the previous coach for years.

I don't know Mike Brown. I never praised the Brown hire. I don't come in here trying to dunk anyone anytime we look good with Mike Brown as the coach to make T**** look worse so please cut the nonsense with me. Playing both sides? I want the team to do well. I'm not trying to win some imaginary individual battle for "My guy" constantly whether it is a coach or a certain player.

You question anyone that questions Mike Brown but when you get put in the spotlight to defend him then your cop out answer is I don’t know him This is exactly what I’m talking about

I gave examples of me being somewhat critical and defending both coaches at the same point in the season over the last 2 seasons and you ignored it to continue this imaginary battle of where I have pick a side between being TeamBrown or TeamT*****. OK. I apologize for not being as familiar with Brown in 5 weeks as I was the last coach who I watched 90% of the games from not only the Knicks years but also the Bulls years. I should just make constant hot takes without asking questions or evaluating anything. This is the way.

This has been a very fruitful back and forth once again. Thank you.

[Guano]

Also it needs to be said, we were paper tigers last year, too. Thibs had us getting our @sses beat by all the good teams and we all thought we were going to be crushed in the 2nd round. Miraculously we beat the Cs. Then sht the bed against a pacers team we thought we would beat.

I think the expectations of us being a finals team is a lil presumptuous even considering how weak the east is right now. were probably a 2nd round exit team that could get hot and make a it to the finals.

[spree8]

Too lazy to find robs post to and1 but I enjoyed it especially "brown clowns"

I hope that one sticks

You guys gunna be sorry when we win the chip… gunna have to bow down to the King of New York n kiss the ring.. you too melo u turncoat!

cant believe people were panicking while my great head coach mike brown had the game under control. lfg knicks!

[Guano]

Too lazy to find robs post to and1 but I enjoyed it especially "brown clowns"

I hope that one sticks

You guys gunna be sorry when we win the chip… gunna have to bow down to the King of New York n kiss the ring.. you too melo u turncoat!

cant believe people were panicking while my great head coach mike brown had the game under control. lfg knicks!

Yes, cause I care more about my skepticisn of mike the used carsalesman brown than the knicks winning a chip.

Brown clowns care more about mike brown than the knicks actually winning! Smfh, willing to sacrifice our championship window and ruining brunsons career for a conman.

[Guano]

Ngl, I dont enjoy taking about kat and mike brown or watching their basketball product.

They truly are terrorist. Ruining our fun and Brunsons career. The worst part is we have knicks fans defending this madness. Then turn around calling us that see reality the problem.

[thebuzzardman]

Only works if bucks continue to lose
With giannis on that team they look decent

no they won't trade him for KAT. Because KAT sucks and is the reason why we are so bad. haven't you heard?

Interestingly, despite his cold streak, advanced stats has KAT's Net rating among the top on our team, and his player impact estimate is only second to Brunson.

Guys are simply frustrated because we are starting off slow after coming into the season with sky high expectations.

Some original KAT haters though are definitely using his shooting slump to grow their following.

I'm a convert!