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Re: PG: Bucks Fall to Pistons 

Post#21 » by WeMajor34 » Yesterday 5:26 am

IMO the best case scenario is that this team is a pesky 7-8 seed that loses in the first round yet again. That’s including Giannis and KPJ while also crossing my fingers that we’re relatively healthy come April.

We’ve been on that treadmill for awhile now and it feels like everyone is waiting for something to shake loose organizationally. Needless to say, I hope our future contains Giannis but this current team’s ceiling is not what he signed up for.

It just feels like a repeat of the last two seasons. Uninspired coaching coupled with a clunky roster.
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Post#22 » by Perishable517 » Yesterday 5:50 am

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HKPackFan wrote:I only want to know if Ryan Rollins continues to become a stud, that's the only thing I'm interested in knowing during these no giannis games.


He might. Or we might be seeing the Johnny Newman effect. On a bad team someone has to score the points.
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Post#23 » by FrieAaron » Yesterday 6:39 am

As bad as the drafting record has been, I'm not sure anything hurt us more than the coaching fiasco in 2023. We've had 3 seasons now of absolutely no identity and being less than the sum of our parts.
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Post#24 » by drone3 » Yesterday 8:42 am

yb90 wrote:Can they cut Cole and go get another PG. I'd even take Ben Simmons over Cole.
I'm in for Simmons over Cole. Coles TOs should send him directly to g league, no excuses
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Post#25 » by ShootingtheJ » Yesterday 1:49 pm

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yb90 wrote:Can they cut Cole and go get another PG. I'd even take Ben Simmons over Cole.
I'm in for Simmons over Cole. Coles TOs should send him directly to g league, no excuses


I don't think Simmons wants to play anymore.

Now, Tristen Newton, the tough, smart PG from the UConn championship, has become more than just a game manager and defender. He's now averaging 27 ppg, 9.4 asp, and 2.7 spg on 66TS% in the G League. We should sign him immediately. We could cut Sears or Coffey.
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Post#26 » by Ron Swanson » Yesterday 3:50 pm

FrieAaron wrote:As bad as the drafting record has been, I'm not sure anything hurt us more than the coaching fiasco in 2023. We've had 3 seasons now of absolutely no identity and being less than the sum of our parts.


This x1000. The 2023-24 squad starters that were absolutely boat-racing other teams that year to the tune of like, +15 and +13 (even without Khris) net-ratings were the last real shot these guys had at being a top-tier championship team. Hire Kenny Atkinson instead of mush-brain Adrian Griffin, and none of us can even fathom how differently things play out. Horst gets a lot of **** for his drafting, but if he had been left to his own devices on coaching hires, I'll keep repeating that he'd be batting 2-for-2 right now. Donte being his lone, successful draft choice when he was clearly a "Bud" plug-and-play guy isn't a coincidence. It's much easier for a GM to build a roster when the infrastructure and coaching staff have some semblance of a coherent identity. We have none, and haven't for nearly 3-years.
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Post#28 » by Jackhammer3375 » Yesterday 4:31 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:Hat tip to Sims and Ajax. The defenses was expected, but what I really love was the passing. Ajax is finally functioning within the concepts of the offense. Combined for 9 assists, and numerous hockey assists.


There's no reason Coffey or Gary Harris should ever play over Ajax going forward. Yes, Ajax can be out of control at times, but the energy and athleticism is much needed. And it looks like the game is slowing down for him a little offensively, he finally looked like the kind of connector that made him the most impactful guy on that first UCONN title team.

I liked the look of him playing with Rollins and AJ offensively, either as the 3 or small ball 4. He was actively searching for them to get them looks. It was refreshing.
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Post#29 » by yb90 » Yesterday 5:18 pm

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ShootingtheJ wrote:Hat tip to Sims and Ajax. The defenses was expected, but what I really love was the passing. Ajax is finally functioning within the concepts of the offense. Combined for 9 assists, and numerous hockey assists.


There's no reason Coffey or Gary Harris should ever play over Ajax going forward. Yes, Ajax can be out of control at times, but the energy and athleticism is much needed. And it looks like the game is slowing down for him a little offensively, he finally looked like the kind of connector that made him the most impactful guy on that first UCONN title team.

I liked the look of him playing with Rollins and AJ offensively, either as the 3 or small ball 4. He was actively searching for them to get them looks. It was refreshing.


Coffey, I understand but Gary Harris has played great on both ends. He has always been good but he is just injury prone. I'm fine with Harris and Ajax getting minutes. The second unit will never have the offensive fire power without KPJ back so their best bet is to go all in on defense and hope that they create turnovers that lead to easy buckets.
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Post#30 » by SupremeHustle » Yesterday 5:35 pm

AJax plays well enough to get a couple of positive post-game posts every year, but never sustains it.

This is probably the year he finds consistency, though. Or maybe next year. Or maybe never. I dunno.
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Post#31 » by -Jragon- » Yesterday 7:35 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:Starters have played 9 minutes together. Assuming Giannis and KPJ return at the same time I'll give them 20 games to see what it looks like.

Seems like a common theme the last 3 years.
Except we didn't have a budding Rollins and moe moble Center to add in. Kuz x-factor on D and transition too.. we're a little different. I want to see it too

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Post#32 » by Dick Tate » Yesterday 7:55 pm

Jackhammer3375 wrote:I liked the look of him playing with Rollins and AJ offensively, either as the 3 or small ball 4. He was actively searching for them to get them looks. It was refreshing.

While Giannis is out, I’d prefer Ajax starting over any starting lineup that features both Kuz and Bobby.
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Post#33 » by mediocrityrules » Yesterday 11:21 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:AJax plays well enough to get a couple of positive post-game posts every year, but never sustains it.

This is probably the year he finds consistency, though. Or maybe next year. Or maybe never. I dunno.


He'll get that consistency once we move him on and he's on another team.
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Post#34 » by paulpressey25 » Yesterday 11:49 pm

Perishable517 wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
HKPackFan wrote:I only want to know if Ryan Rollins continues to become a stud, that's the only thing I'm interested in knowing during these no giannis games.


He might. Or we might be seeing the Johnny Newman effect. On a bad team someone has to score the points.
Blue Edwards.


That’s a great call. This roster outside Giannis feels a lot like those first few Dunleavy teams.

Blue Edwards, Murdock, Jon Barry, Alaa Abdulnaby, etc.
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Post#35 » by ShootingtheJ » Today 12:32 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
Perishable517 wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
He might. Or we might be seeing the Johnny Newman effect. On a bad team someone has to score the points.
Blue Edwards.


That’s a great call. This roster outside Giannis feels a lot like those first few Dunleavy teams.

Blue Edwards, Murdock, Jon Barry, Alaa Abdulnaby, etc.


Rollins is better than all those players. Fake scorers aren't ultra efficient. Rollins is the real deal
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Post#36 » by bucksfansince88 » Today 12:50 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:Hat tip to Sims and Ajax. The defenses was expected, but what I really love was the passing. Ajax is finally functioning within the concepts of the offense. Combined for 9 assists, and numerous hockey assists.


drives me nuts when he gets so deep into the paint and passes out(turns it over0 instead of using his athleticism to attack the rim.
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Post#37 » by ShootingtheJ » Today 12:58 am

bucksfansince88 wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:Hat tip to Sims and Ajax. The defenses was expected, but what I really love was the passing. Ajax is finally functioning within the concepts of the offense. Combined for 9 assists, and numerous hockey assists.


drives me nuts when he gets so deep into the paint and passes out(turns it over0 instead of using his athleticism to attack the rim.


I also hate his floater. Like you said, attack the rim.
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Post#38 » by mediocrityrules » Today 1:18 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
bucksfansince88 wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:Hat tip to Sims and Ajax. The defenses was expected, but what I really love was the passing. Ajax is finally functioning within the concepts of the offense. Combined for 9 assists, and numerous hockey assists.


drives me nuts when he gets so deep into the paint and passes out(turns it over0 instead of using his athleticism to attack the rim.


I also hate his floater. Like you said, attack the rim.


It's known as the 'Ben Simmons' method
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Post#39 » by drone3 » Today 2:20 am

mediocrityrules wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
bucksfansince88 wrote:
drives me nuts when he gets so deep into the paint and passes out(turns it over0 instead of using his athleticism to attack the rim.


I also hate his floater. Like you said, attack the rim.


It's known as the 'Ben Simmons' method
Ajax just needs to watch Ja Morant attack the rim and realise he also has that power
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Post#40 » by GiannisAnte34 » Today 3:13 am

WeMajor34 wrote:IMO the best case scenario is that this team is a pesky 7-8 seed that loses in the first round yet again. That’s including Giannis and KPJ while also crossing my fingers that we’re relatively healthy come April.

We’ve been on that treadmill for awhile now and it feels like everyone is waiting for something to shake loose organizationally. Needless to say, I hope our future contains Giannis but this current team’s ceiling is not what he signed up for.

It just feels like a repeat of the last two seasons. Uninspired coaching coupled with a clunky roster.


That feels way off. Giannis and KPJ being available is a pretty big difference from this team. I see no reason they’re lower than 6th if they don’t get reinjured

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