Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap and the 1st page

[Super Cooper]

Agreed, and the nuances could be because English isn't your first language. I'm totally respectful of that.

So, for all who think DLive is a "go-forward" centerpiece, you're being silly. DLive has shed at least 10% of minutes played every year since college. IMO, you trade him ASAP while he has ANY value. Pairing him with Klay or Caleb could return a quality more dependable player.

I will say that Gafford/Cisse will play a ton more minutes than Lively/Gafford. Maybe trading Lively is the better option.

Trading Lively for who? His trading value is extremely low at the moment and his contract is only 5 mio, so you will need to add someone like Klay, who is probably negative asset. You're not getting anything good back for sure. He's still very young, so it has much more sense to wait and hope he becomes healthier.

Why are you so stuck on DLive’s contract only being $5m??? Of course he’d be packaged with at least one big contract. Dude, look at the history of every big trade in the last 10 years. It’s rare if it doesn’t include players on their rookie contract on their rookie contract.

[Super Cooper]

Trading Lively for who? His trading value is extremely low at the moment and his contract is only 5 mio, so you will need to add someone like Klay, who is probably negative asset. You're not getting anything good back for sure. He's still very young, so it has much more sense to wait and hope he becomes healthier.

You seem to be under the impression that when I say trade Lively you think I mean trade him right now for a sack of beans. That would be idiotic. Obviously he has to play and raise his stock. If that means trading him after you resign him that’s fine. But the fact is he’s injury prone. So unless you’re fine playing him an average of about 25 min a game (exactly how they managed Tyson Chandler in 2011) he’s going to continue to get hurt.

I mostly reply with having in mind what previous posters were saying and you replied to poster, who wants to trade him ASAP.

Who said trade him ASAP? I said and have said he’s the much more logical choice for a bad franchise perpetually rebuilding. I proved to you mathematically that he’s shedding at least 10% of his playing time % vs minutes available ever since college. Do you really think that’s going to change?

[Super Cooper]

The best ability is availability.

DLive's minutes...
Duke - 20.6mins (52%) in 34 games (94%) = 49%
23/24 - 23.5 (49%) in 54 games (66%) = 32%
24/25 - 23.1mins (48%) in 36 games (44%) = 21%
25/26 - 16.4mins (24%) in 7 games (39%) = 9%

Compare that to Cooper...
Duke - 30.7mins (77%) in 37 games (95%) = 73%
25/26 - 33.6mins (70%) in 17 games (94%) = 66%

I'm not saying trade him ASAP for a half eaten ham sandwich. IMO he has a lot of value either on a terrible team who can nurse him along, or a team with a great C who can give him limited minutes. You can pair him with any of the big contracts either as a sweetener or their primary target.

[arkuo]

The tank is alive! I'd be happier with a top 5 pick than a top 10 pick. I don't think we need to race Indiana to the bottom. Somewhere in the range should give you nice odds. Then it's all Rolando Blackman from there.

[Super Cooper]

The tank is alive! I'd be happier with a top 5 pick than a top 10 pick. I don't think we need to race Indiana to the bottom. Somewhere in the range should give you nice odds. Then it's all Rolando Blackman from there.

The sad thing is the team isn't tanking lol

[arkuo]

The tank is alive! I'd be happier with a top 5 pick than a top 10 pick. I don't think we need to race Indiana to the bottom. Somewhere in the range should give you nice odds. Then it's all Rolando Blackman from there.

The sad thing is the team isn't tanking lol

As long as they rack up losses, I'm good with whatever method they choose. The upcoming schedule will be hard so it's likely they get more Ls. I'd rather have the Mavs get that top pick. If OKC gets Peterson, the rest of the league won't win anything the next decade. That's like trying to build a team with the 96 Chicago Bulls existing the same era as you. Might as well punt the next decade.

[Bob8]

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[Mavrelous]

Not sure if it helps, but send this guy to a team with proper medical team, maybe Casey Smith and the Knicks can help him.

[arkuo]

Lively's missing extended time. God is sending Darryn Peterson to Dallas. Let's go!!!

[Archx]

I knew it, they're pushing for the LAL return, how predictable can they be? He'll go extra hard just because and re-injure himself.

[Mavrelous]

I knew it, they're pushing for the LAL return, how predictable can they be? He'll go extra hard just because and re-injure himself.

Seems like he's missing extended time, he won't play against the Lakers, doubt he plays in 2025...
Oh you're talking about AD, it would be real petty if he is activated against LAL

[arkuo]

AD just needs to sit back at home and play golf or something. I need the Mavs to stay close to New Orleans at the bottom of the west this season.

[daoneandonly]

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Something around KAT for AD probably has some legs. My preference would be is for KAT to go to a 3rd team.

I'll take McBride, Robinson, and the '26 pick if there's a third team that would give up assets to the Mavs for OG

[Mr B]

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[Archx]

I knew it, they're pushing for the LAL return, how predictable can they be? He'll go extra hard just because and re-injure himself.

Seems like he's missing extended time, he won't play against the Lakers, doubt he plays in 2025...
Oh you're talking about AD, it would be real petty if he is activated against LAL

Yeah was talking about AD. Everyone knows what the LAL game will be and AD will probably need limited minutes anyway, no reason to play him at all.

But speaking also about Lively.... he has become like a total mystery. So many nagging injuries just keep pilling up. Then comes back, slowly gets back into rhythm and then back to the injury list.

I challenge you to tell me if he reminds you of a certain star few years back with a similar pattern.

[Mr B]

I knew it, they're pushing for the LAL return, how predictable can they be? He'll go extra hard just because and re-injure himself.

Seems like he's missing extended time, he won't play against the Lakers, doubt he plays in 2025...
Oh you're talking about AD, it would be real petty if he is activated against LAL

Yeah was talking about AD. Everyone knows what the LAL game will be and AD will probably need limited minutes anyway, no reason to play him at all.

But speaking also about Lively.... he has become like a total mystery. So many nagging injuries just keep pilling up. Then comes back, slowly gets back into rhythm and then back to the injury list.

I challenge you to tell me if he reminds you of a certain star few years back with a similar pattern.

He reminds of a young Tyson Chandler. He was very injury prone as a young player. Then when he got to Dallas Carlisle was only playing him about 25 min a game. Whenever he averaged more minutes than that he got injured.

[Maverick41]

I'll take McBride, Robinson, and the '26 pick if there's a third team that would give up assets to the Mavs for OG

Something like:

DAL receives: T. Harris + Ivey + M.Robinson + McBride + 26 NY FRP + 26 DET FRP (preferred 27 or 28)
DET receives: OG + Hardy
NY receives: AD + Exum

DAL gets expirings. We get to try out Ivey and hopefully sign him to a lower value contract in the offseason. McBride is a solid backup guard that defends well, can shoot and on a great contract. Most importantly get 2 FRPs. Problem is if they are both 26 FRPs, they will likely be in the 20s so I'd push for DET to do a 27 or 28 FRP instead so that we have a shot in later drafts. We can look at shopping Mitch and Tobias after before the TDL.

DET gets a guy that fits their identity. An OG and Ausar Thompson duo defensively is scary along with the offense of Cade & Duren.

NY puts together a big 3 along with elite role players in Bridges and Hart. They go all in to try and win a title.

[daoneandonly]

I'll take McBride, Robinson, and the '26 pick if there's a third team that would give up assets to the Mavs for OG

Something like:

DAL receives: T. Harris + Ivey + M.Robinson + McBride + 26 NY FRP + 26 DET FRP (preferred 27 or 28)
DET receives: OG + Hardy
NY receives: AD + Exum

DAL gets expirings. We get to try out Ivey and hopefully sign him to a lower value contract in the offseason. McBride is a solid backup guard that defends well, can shoot and on a great contract. Most importantly get 2 FRPs. Problem is if they are both 26 FRPs, they will likely be in the 20s so I'd push for DET to do a 27 or 28 FRP instead so that we have a shot in later drafts. We can look at shopping Mitch and Tobias after before the TDL.

DET gets a guy that fits their identity. An OG and Ausar Thompson duo defensively is scary along with the offense of Cade & Duren.

NY puts together a big 3 along with elite role players in Bridges and Hart. They go all in to try and win a title.

Yea but I didnt realize NYK cant trade their 26 pick because that Wiz pick they have wont convey and then they owe the 27 pick to BKN. But DET is the team i was thinkign to take OG, though Id really push for Ausar and let them keep Ivey and a FRP. Doubt they do it though. Also maybe SA with Castle since they have Harper and Fox.

But feel like NY would be one of the best AD targets since they have Brunson and KAT. Plus, the NBA would salivate at a potential NY LAL finals where its AD/Brunson vs Luka/Lebron

[Maverick41]

Yea but I didnt realize NYK cant trade their 26 pick because that Wiz pick they have wont convey and then they owe the 27 pick to BKN. But DET is the team i was thinkign to take OG, though Id really push for Ausar and let them keep Ivey and a FRP. Doubt they do it though. Also maybe SA with Castle since they have Harper and Fox.

But feel like NY would be one of the best AD targets since they have Brunson and KAT. Plus, the NBA would salivate at a potential NY LAL finals where its AD/Brunson vs Luka/Lebron

I highly doubt DET would trade Ausar. Holland might be a possibility. Realistically though, it's Ivey particularly because of the emergence of Jenkins.

For SA, Castle is a dream for me. If they offer him, I take it without hesitation but imo they probably would shop Fox before him. Or at least, that's what I would do if I was their GM.

I do think like you that NY would be one of the best fits for AD. He helps clean up Brunson and KAT'S defensive woes if he can get in shape and healthy. It would also help with the Klutch relationship by trading AD to a contender and big market. I know agents may not be talked about that much here but it makes a difference, especially in today's NBA. Most Knicks fans I know though seem a lot more keen on trading KAT then OG though.

[Archx]

Nico's medical staff ruined this man.

[Clark] Dereck Lively II is experiencing “swelling and discomfort” in his right foot and will miss the Mavericks’ next three games, at minimum. Lively missed 36 consecutive games last season and needed surgery despite Nico Harrison saying he wouldn’t. Lively will be extension eligible this Summer.

Last season, Lively was sidelined for 36 consecutive games with what the Mavericks referred to as a stress fracture in his right ankle. In April, then-Mavericks general manager Nico Harrison said he didn’t believe Lively would need offseason surgery. That ended up being inaccurate, as Lively underwent surgery over the summer to remove bone spurs in his right foot.

I'm not sure he'll ever be a reliable starting center. He won't even have time to properly develop with constant injuries.