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Post#621 » by oldncreaky » Mon Nov 24, 2025 7:38 pm

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ReggiesKnicks wrote:
This is a great assessment.

The problem with Toronto is that their starting line-up isn't that good. They are +4.1 in ~170 minutes, and without Poeltl, they are -0.9 in about 270 minutes. That is a team that is likely to be destined for a 1st-round exit.

The player they should look to move off of is R.J. Barrett, and using Agbaji as expiring salary ballast can get them a player making upwards of 33 Million to still duck the tax.

Barrett + Agbaji for Vucevic + Okoro could be interesting. Jalen Smith is another target they could consider adding. Perhaps simplifying a deal and doing Agbaji + 2nd(s) for Smith makes some sense as a floor-spacing bench 5.

If Memphis has a fire sale, Santi Aldami is intriguing, as he is on a declining contract starting around 18 million.

Gafford is another interesting bench big who protects the rim, rebounds and pressures the rim in the pick and roll, but a trade with a team so far in the tax isn't tenable as a 2-team deal with Toronto.

Toronto has been a pleasant surprise thus far, but the starting lineup not being the catalyst for their success raises major concerns about how good the team can become by April.


Thank you for the compliment

I'd hold off on final assessments of TOR's starters for awhile. First, the trend has been very promising and upward, but the competition has been too weak to allow a proper evaluation of the Raptors. Second, they are still quite young as a group, with only Poeltl anywhere close to "old" at 30. Last but most importantly, that small 170 minute sample size for the group you mentioned is literally the only sample we have for them. I'll give it to at least the TDL to evaluate.

RJ is off to a good start -- reduced role has led to increased efficiency (60% TS%) and better D, which mimics what happens every time he has played on the Canadian National BB team. Also, his rebounding is better than most of our wings, and sorely needed. RJ limped off the court with a sprained knee last night, so we might find out what the team looks like without him over the next few weeks anyway.

As for the target for upgrading, without talking about specific players the attributes I'd be looking for for fit are:
1. Rebounding
2. Mobility
3. Good hands
4. Guarding the paint
5. Passing
6. Don't do dumb stuff
7. D (switching) outside the paint
...
and any other offensive skills are just a bonus that I'm not sure I want to pay for in a backup. Given what I prioritise, Aldama is interesting but maybe too expensive this season, Gafford useful but just a stopgap, and neither Vucevic or Smith are really mobile enough for me to be interested at their salary number.

TBH though, I don't spend a lot of time thinking about potential trades for TOR because I don't want to get my hopes up -- I expect the front office will cheap-out at the direction of ownership. (My best guess is that TOR will trade Agbaji for a min-salary scrub who may not even be a C or C/PF). But if I am pushed, someone like Bitadze would be a good fit.

I think it would be hard to get all of that, but Gafford provides most of it. Jaylin Williams also sounds like a good fit?


Hadn't thought of Jaylin Williams, but agree he would be a great on-court fit. Probably the only assets that TOR could offer that OKC would even care about are high-variance picks and/or pick swaps?

But as always, if the FO/owner will not pay luxury tax, it's all daydreaming
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Post#622 » by Godaddycurse » Mon Nov 24, 2025 7:41 pm

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babyjax13 wrote:I think it would be hard to get all of that, but Gafford provides most of it. Jaylin Williams also sounds like a good fit?


Hadn't thought of Jaylin Williams, but agree he would be a great on-court fit. Probably the only assets that TOR could offer that OKC would even care about are high-variance picks and/or pick swaps?

But as always, if the FO/owner will not pay luxury tax, it's all daydreaming


think jaylin is too small imo/not what we need
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Post#623 » by oldncreaky » Mon Nov 24, 2025 7:51 pm

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babyjax13 wrote:I think it would be hard to get all of that, but Gafford provides most of it. Jaylin Williams also sounds like a good fit?


Hadn't thought of Jaylin Williams, but agree he would be a great on-court fit. Probably the only assets that TOR could offer that OKC would even care about are high-variance picks and/or pick swaps?

But as always, if the FO/owner will not pay luxury tax, it's all daydreaming


think jaylin is too small imo/not what we need


6'8" with a 7'1" wingspan, roughly 250 lbs -- decent enough for a backup

More importantly, the only rotation player on the Raptors with a better TRB% than Williams is Poeltl, and he would be a welcome presence in the paint on D that Mamu just can't provide. Plus Jaylin Williams is on a contract the Raptors could actually afford. I highly doubt that Presti would let him go other than for a significant overpay.
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Post#624 » by brackdan70 » Mon Nov 24, 2025 9:26 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:Value check : Jordan Walsh.
He’s got 2 years left (including this one) on a partial guaranteed minimum deal.
Former top 15 recruit, 21 years old, getting a shot with the Celtics this year and has earned a spot in the starting lineup and excelling so far.
.500/ .421/ .750 splits with great defense and rebounding.


"Great" defense?

He's a backup who's starting. If the Celtics found a legitimate starting center for that money, he'd be untouchable given their cap situation. He's worth a second, maybe two at the deadline.

The 2nd part is fair but his defense has been great, no quotes needed. They have been matching him up often against the opponents best player. He has been really good. Has shown he can guard one thru 4. The biggest bodies and quickest ball handlers on the league are probably the only guys he can’t guard effectively.
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Post#625 » by enzino » Yesterday 12:12 pm

just for fun
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Post#626 » by brackdan70 » Yesterday 1:41 pm

enzino wrote:just for fun
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Fun for who?
Celtics give up a bunch of picks and good players to get really bad. They give up their pick this year so no sense in tanking.
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Post#627 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Yesterday 1:43 pm

Has anyone posted the crazy trade yet?

Giannis, Trent Jr, Prince for Tobias Harris, Ausar, Ivey, massive pick package?

Or really make folks unhappy, adding in a Duren, Levert for Turner swap.
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Post#628 » by enzino » Yesterday 3:09 pm

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enzino wrote:just for fun
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Fun for who?
Celtics give up a bunch of picks and good players to get really bad. They give up their pick this year so no sense in tanking.

two all stars (LaMelo is still 24), with size, scoring ability, one of the best defender (Adebayo) in the leagye, under very good contract (both below 40 M$/yr).
DW is 31. His numbers are not going to increase once Tatum is back. at that time the market will be very low for him.
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Post#629 » by theBigLip » Yesterday 4:27 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Has anyone posted the crazy trade yet?

Giannis, Trent Jr, Prince for Tobias Harris, Ausar, Ivey, massive pick package?

Or really make folks unhappy, adding in a Duren, Levert for Turner swap.


I wouldn’t give up Duren for Turner.

Giannis would be awesome! But don’t want to give up Ausar.
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Post#630 » by JHFVF07 » Yesterday 4:36 pm

theBigLip wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Has anyone posted the crazy trade yet?

Giannis, Trent Jr, Prince for Tobias Harris, Ausar, Ivey, massive pick package?

Or really make folks unhappy, adding in a Duren, Levert for Turner swap.


I wouldn’t give up Duren for Turner.

Giannis would be awesome! But don’t want to give up Ausar.


If was on the table Gianis AND Turner for this package, you would say no cause Ausar and Duren?

You could have a lineup of Cade/ME(cause why not?!?lol)Gianins/Stewart/Turner , and you would refuse?
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Post#631 » by jayjaysee » Yesterday 4:59 pm

If Boston did Simons for Klay to get under the tax (trade a vet min at deadline, shuffle the 14th roster spot til prorated is small enough).. Klay isn’t Klay anymore, but he’ll be a useful trade tool next offseason..

Does Naji have the value to dump Hardy? He should?

Is that a terrible idea for Dallas? Most of the cleaning for the 2026-2027 books being done..

If Dallas decides to try and get under the tax this season, maybe it’s Gafford+DLO based package and you sacrifice most of Gaff’s value for financial savings.
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Post#632 » by jayjaysee » Yesterday 5:06 pm

enzino wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:
enzino wrote:just for fun
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Fun for who?
Celtics give up a bunch of picks and good players to get really bad. They give up their pick this year so no sense in tanking.

two all stars (LaMelo is still 24), with size, scoring ability, one of the best defender (Adebayo) in the leagye, under very good contract (both below 40 M$/yr).
DW is 31. His numbers are not going to increase once Tatum is back. at that time the market will be very low for him.


So my input. No one should really trade for both Ball and Bam. If you’re getting Bam (I don’t think Miami is interested) you keep white. If you’re going to Ball, you probably tank this season and hope Tatum/Brown’s work ethic rubs off on Ball/rookie.

I really like White, but asking for the Brooklyn first and Phoenix first. And Eason feels a bit overkill imo.
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Post#633 » by Godaddycurse » Yesterday 5:13 pm

jayjaysee wrote:If Boston did Simons for Klay to get under the tax (trade a vet min at deadline, shuffle the 14th roster spot til prorated is small enough).. Klay isn’t Klay anymore, but he’ll be a useful trade tool next offseason..

Does Naji have the value to dump Hardy? He should?

Is that a terrible idea for Dallas? Most of the cleaning for the 2026-2027 books being done..

If Dallas decides to try and get under the tax this season, maybe it’s Gafford+DLO based package and you sacrifice most of Gaff’s value for financial savings.


if naji has the value to dump hardy then i think you just do that and dump another smaller salary (russell?) to duck the tax altogether
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Post#634 » by theBigLip » Yesterday 5:20 pm

JHFVF07 wrote:
theBigLip wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Has anyone posted the crazy trade yet?

Giannis, Trent Jr, Prince for Tobias Harris, Ausar, Ivey, massive pick package?

Or really make folks unhappy, adding in a Duren, Levert for Turner swap.


I wouldn’t give up Duren for Turner.

Giannis would be awesome! But don’t want to give up Ausar.


If was on the table Gianis AND Turner for this package, you would say no cause Ausar and Duren?

You could have a lineup of Cade/ME(cause why not?!?lol)Gianins/Stewart/Turner , and you would refuse?


You’d be an awesome SG for this team! :D

Can we just do the first half of the trade? Hate to give up Ausar, but getting Giannis could get a championship.
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Post#635 » by jayjaysee » Yesterday 5:42 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:If Boston did Simons for Klay to get under the tax (trade a vet min at deadline, shuffle the 14th roster spot til prorated is small enough).. Klay isn’t Klay anymore, but he’ll be a useful trade tool next offseason..

Does Naji have the value to dump Hardy? He should?

Is that a terrible idea for Dallas? Most of the cleaning for the 2026-2027 books being done..

If Dallas decides to try and get under the tax this season, maybe it’s Gafford+DLO based package and you sacrifice most of Gaff’s value for financial savings.


if naji has the value to dump hardy then i think you just do that and dump another smaller salary (russell?) to duck the tax altogether


Could see that, yeah. Naji, Hardy, DLo replaced by Cisse and Nembhard should be able to keep Dallas right under the tax. Maybe need to trade Powell with cash for a true vet min at the last second.
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Post#636 » by Mavrelous » Yesterday 6:19 pm

Lively out for "extended period of time" according to Stein, what a season from hell.for the Mavs...
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Post#637 » by Godaddycurse » Yesterday 6:29 pm

Mavrelous wrote:Lively out for "extended period of time" according to Stein, what a season from hell.for the Mavs...


Another added to the list of promising bigs who cant stay healthy sadly
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Post#638 » by Mavrelous » Yesterday 6:35 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:Lively out for "extended period of time" according to Stein, what a season from hell.for the Mavs...


Another added to the list of promising bigs who cant stay healthy sadly

His main strength other than high IQ is his mobility, I wonder how much from it is left after all these injuries.
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Post#639 » by daoneandonly » Yesterday 6:43 pm

Is there a 3 (or 4) team trade where AD and Brandon Williams goes to the NYK, OG goes to team X, and Dallas gets '26 Knicks pick, McBride, Mitchell Robinson, and assets from team X?
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Post#640 » by jayjaysee » Yesterday 7:23 pm

daoneandonly wrote:Is there a 3 (or 4) team trade where AD and Brandon Williams goes to the NYK, OG goes to team X, and Dallas gets '26 Knicks pick, McBride, Mitchell Robinson, and assets from team X?


Knicks still can’t trade any picks. Only swaps and the fake Washington first.

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