Trade Talk (Part 18): Early Season Panic Edition

[minimus]

Damn, these aprons are joy killers... I really cant find any trade for MIN that makes sense both from financial (which means at least for the next season too) and chemistry view.

[shrink]

Denver had a a few years after the chip where their bench took a step back and they struggled as a result. We had high expectations of TSJ that are not working out at the moment. We have high hopes for Joan but he needs a couple of years. Clark might improve his 3 point shooting and judgement given time. Miller is probably a bust, but as far as cheap 3rd string he is probably fine. We really are only a backup C and a starting PG away from contention, and time is on our side.

It’s no surprise that with Tim Connelly as the GM, Denver is the perfect comparison.

Connelly believes in value through continuity, and it led to success in Denver. However, as teams become successful, the players want to get paid on new contracts. As Connelly tried to keep a team together with three max deals (Jokic, Jamal Murray, Michael Porter Jr), they simply couldn’t afford to keep valuable players like Caldwell-Pope, and eventually they couldn’t afford a bench at all. This year has been the fluke, where they got off of MPJ for flexibility, and had several decent vets fill their bench on vet min deals.

Connelly in MIN has done the exact same thing. He’s maintained continuity, and since he only has one max deal, he has been able to keep six of his best players for continuity. We could only offer vet min deals for the bench, so you’re right, we need the youth to hit. Unfortunately, we don’t have long - the team could be held together one more year. In 18 months, DDV will need a new deal, and Randle will decline his player option. A 35-year old Rudy will pick his up for $38. On top of this, staying over the luxury tax will not just cost a fortune with the repeater, but it will have severe apron effects, like freezing our pick and moving it to the end of the first round.

Our window is this year and next, and after that, the team will likely need to take a step back. It would be unlikely the youth is as good as our current vets in that short of a time.

[winforlose]

Denver had a a few years after the chip where their bench took a step back and they struggled as a result. We had high expectations of TSJ that are not working out at the moment. We have high hopes for Joan but he needs a couple of years. Clark might improve his 3 point shooting and judgement given time. Miller is probably a bust, but as far as cheap 3rd string he is probably fine. We really are only a backup C and a starting PG away from contention, and time is on our side.

It’s no surprise that with Tim Connelly as the GM, Denver is the perfect comparison.

Connelly believes in value through continuity, and it led to success in Denver. However, as teams become successful, the players want to get paid on new contracts. As Connelly tried to keep a team together with three max deals (Jokic, Jamal Murray, Michael Porter Jr), they simply couldn’t afford to keep valuable players like Caldwell-Pope, and eventually they couldn’t afford a bench at all. This year has been the fluke, where they got off of MPJ for flexibility, and had several decent vets fill their bench on vet min deals.

Connelly in MIN has done the exact same thing. He’s maintained continuity, and since he only has one max deal, he has been able to keep six of his best players for continuity. We could only offer vet min deals for the bench, so you’re right, we need the youth to hit. Unfortunately, we don’t have long - the team could be held together one more year. In 18 months, DDV will need a new deal, and Randle will decline his player option. A 35-year old Rudy will pick his up for $38. On top of this, staying over the luxury tax will not just cost a fortune with the repeater, but it will have severe apron effects, like freezing our pick and moving it to the end of the first round.

Our window is this year and next, and after that, the team will likely need to take a step back. It would be unlikely the youth is as good as our current vets in that short of a time.

You are assuming that Ant, Jaden, and Naz don’t also get better as they enter and then get deeper into their primes.

[dschroeder01]

Damn, these aprons are joy killers... I really cant find any trade for MIN that makes sense both from financial (which means at least for the next season too) and chemistry view.

Naz for Jaden Ivey (Sasser and Klintman) for filler works financially I believe after Naz trade restriction is up. The Pistons have rolled without Ivey this year and were reportedly after Naz in the summer. They could use his spacing at the 4. Ivey is gonna be a RFA and Detroit has Duren to pay as well.

Could also expand to Naz and Conley for Ivey and Stewart as principles.

[Domejandro]

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Speculative reporting, but Minnesota is probably going to make a move for a real Point-Guard.

[KGdaBom]

Damn, these aprons are joy killers... I really cant find any trade for MIN that makes sense both from financial (which means at least for the next season too) and chemistry view.

Naz for Jaden Ivey (Sasser and Klintman) for filler works financially I believe after Naz trade restriction is up. The Pistons have rolled without Ivey this year and were reportedly after Naz in the summer. They could use his spacing at the 4. Ivey is gonna be a RFA and Detroit has Duren to pay as well.

Could also expand to Naz and Conley for Ivey and Stewart as principles.

Naz and Conley for Ivey and Stewart is def something I'd consider.

[shangrila]

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Speculative reporting, but Minnesota is probably going to make a move for a real Point-Guard.

I hear your mate Dejounte Murray is back from injury soon...

[Burgs_Burgi]

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Speculative reporting, but Minnesota is probably going to make a move for a real Point-Guard.

I hear your mate Dejounte Murray is back from injury soon...

Thats Gross

I like this Naz + Mike for Ivey and Stewart suggestion. Means we can keep developing Dillingham and Baby Baguette but have the win now window open

[BlacJacMac]

Damn, these aprons are joy killers... I really cant find any trade for MIN that makes sense both from financial (which means at least for the next season too) and chemistry view.

Naz for Jaden Ivey (Sasser and Klintman) for filler works financially I believe after Naz trade restriction is up. The Pistons have rolled without Ivey this year and were reportedly after Naz in the summer. They could use his spacing at the 4. Ivey is gonna be a RFA and Detroit has Duren to pay as well.

Could also expand to Naz and Conley for Ivey and Stewart as principles.

That's an easy yes for me.

I'd also happily do Naz and Dilly for Ivey and Stewart if DET wanted the young prospect (or route him to a 3rd team).

Ivey has a chance to be Ant's long-term backcourt partner and Stewart would give us a legit back-up to Rudy and some very much needed toughness.

I know they like Stew a lot, but Naz would take up a lot of FC minutes and I can see the appeal of pairing Naz with Duren.

[jscott]

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Speculative reporting, but Minnesota is probably going to make a move for a real Point-Guard.

I hear your mate Dejounte Murray is back from injury soon...

Yuck no.

Unless they’re including some unprotected 1sts in the deal.

[TimberKat]

I read somewhere the lineup of Gobert/Randle/JMcD/Ant rank #1 in offense and #2 in Defense (or something crazy like that) in all of NBA. Unfortunately, basketball is played with five players on each side. We just need a good enough PG to have a great line up. The bench of DDV, Naz, and Clark is still reasonably good. DMurray or Chrs Paul would be fine.

[BlacJacMac]

I read somewhere the lineup of Gobert/Randle/JMcD/Ant rank #1 in offense and #2 in Defense (or something crazy like that) in all of NBA. Unfortunately, basketball is played with five players on each side. We just need a good enough PG to have a great line up. The bench of DDV, Naz, and Clark is still reasonably good. DMurray or Chrs Paul would be fine.

DMurray makes 31M this year, 32M next year and 31M the following.

Regardless of him not being very good, how are you getting him without trading a starter, Naz or DDV?