Official RJ Barrett Thread Part 2

[everdiso]

So yeah we should probably apologize to RJ.

Offense has kinda fallen apart without him. Can't even score 100 without him.

[hype_2004]

So yeah we should probably apologize to RJ.

Offense has kinda fallen apart without him. Can't even score 100 without him.

We're an offensive juggernaut with RJ he draws attention, he cuts and hits the three. Those skills are valuable to any winning team.

[TheAlchemist23]

110 and 99 points in the two games without RJ, pretty nuts he takes our team to 120 points

[PushDaRock]

110 and 99 points in the two games without RJ, pretty nuts he takes our team to 120 points

I would probably be even more concerned for when we play games without Ingram to bail us out.

Not sure how many games we are winning if both Ingram and RJ are out.

[GLF]

And people wanted everyone and their mama starting over RJ. That never made sense to me and I’m glad RJ has proven me right. Shooting isn’t the only way to elevate an offence. Especially on a team that needs rim pressure just as much as it needs shooting. Oh and RJ shoots it just fine on catch and shooter 3s. His defence isn’t good, but his offence is helping us way more than his defence is hurting us

[PushDaRock]

And people wanted everyone and their mama starting over RJ. That never made sense to me and I’m glad RJ has proven me right. Shooting isn’t the only way to elevate an offence. Especially on a team that needs rim pressure just as much as it needs shooting. Oh and RJ shoots it just fine on catch and shooter 3s. His defence isn’t good, but his offence is helping us way more than his defence is hurting us

People are kind of obsessed with getting a 3&D guy in the starting lineup but I've been saying for this team specifically, that player should be "added" to the rotation rather than just replacing RJ. This offense seems to work best with at least 4 really good offensive players out there at once which makes them hard to defend. Small sample size without RJ, but hard not to notice how much this team is struggling to generate easy baskets. Gravity is created not just from being able to shoot from the outside extremely well.

[Tripod]

IQ is missing him the most...lol

[Agimat]

He is still vital on this team.

[Indeed]

And people wanted everyone and their mama starting over RJ. That never made sense to me and I’m glad RJ has proven me right. Shooting isn’t the only way to elevate an offence. Especially on a team that needs rim pressure just as much as it needs shooting. Oh and RJ shoots it just fine on catch and shooter 3s. His defence isn’t good, but his offence is helping us way more than his defence is hurting us

People are kind of obsessed with getting a 3&D guy in the starting lineup but I've been saying for this team specifically, that player should be "added" to the rotation rather than just replacing RJ. This offense seems to work best with at least 4 really good offensive players out there at once which makes them hard to defend. Small sample size without RJ, but hard not to notice how much this team is struggling to generate easy baskets. Gravity is created not just from being able to shoot from the outside extremely well.

It is no longer small sample size.
Perhaps people believe Barnes could take over the scoring, so Barrett can start off the bench with Agbaji or Walter starting instead, but clearly this is not the case.

3 point shooting is more meant for providing space inside, however, we have no other rim pressure nor postup to score inside.

[tsherkin]

It is no longer small sample size.
Perhaps people believe Barnes could take over the scoring, so Barrett can start off the bench with Agbaji or Walter starting instead, but clearly this is not the case.

3 point shooting is more meant for providing space inside, however, we have no other rim pressure nor postup to score inside.

It should be, at this point, VERY clear how much we need RJ, or a similar type of player. RJ has his weaknesses, but so does everyone on this team. We're a lot better with him than without him right now, and have literally no one to replace what he does bring to us. Like Barnes, he thrives within a certain role and structure... and he provides something we dearly miss when he isn't on the floor.

[MEDIC]

Captain Canuck.


Happy to have this guy back.playing starters minutes. Finding some easier buckets now.

Might take.a bit to find that chemistry again, but things are looking good.

Just need a healthy Yak & we're good for the playoffs.

[Vampirate]

It is no longer small sample size.
Perhaps people believe Barnes could take over the scoring, so Barrett can start off the bench with Agbaji or Walter starting instead, but clearly this is not the case.

3 point shooting is more meant for providing space inside, however, we have no other rim pressure nor postup to score inside.

It should be, at this point, VERY clear how much we need RJ, or a similar type of player. RJ has his weaknesses, but so does everyone on this team. We're a lot better with him than without him right now, and have literally no one to replace what he does bring to us. Like Barnes, he thrives within a certain role and structure... and he provides something we dearly miss when he isn't on the floor.

It's still hard to believe that this is the same guy who averaged a .515 TS% in his first 4 seasons in the league. The FO was taking on his contract to get IQ.

Like, we're all talking at the time 'maybe, if things go right he can put up a .550 TS%. And keep in mind he was playing along side Randal ande Brunson later on as well, so he was playing with talent.

Even in a reduced role I never thought he'd put up anything close to 20PTS on .60 TS%.

[RoteSchroder]

It is no longer small sample size.
Perhaps people believe Barnes could take over the scoring, so Barrett can start off the bench with Agbaji or Walter starting instead, but clearly this is not the case.

3 point shooting is more meant for providing space inside, however, we have no other rim pressure nor postup to score inside.

It should be, at this point, VERY clear how much we need RJ, or a similar type of player. RJ has his weaknesses, but so does everyone on this team. We're a lot better with him than without him right now, and have literally no one to replace what he does bring to us. Like Barnes, he thrives within a certain role and structure... and he provides something we dearly miss when he isn't on the floor.

It's still hard to believe that this is the same guy who averaged a .515 TS% in his first 4 seasons in the league. The FO was taking on his contract to get IQ.

Like, we're all talking at the time 'maybe, if things go right he can put up a .550 TS%. And keep in mind he was playing along side Randal ande Brunson later on as well, so he was playing with talent.

Even in a reduced role I never thought he'd put up anything close to 20PTS on .60 TS%.

He was 19-22 years old and being used in all-bench line-ups as the lead guard on the Knicks. We saw what happened last year when everyone was injured and he was running point with a team of scrubs. Randle and Brunson are also score first players.

His catch and shoot 3's have been around 36-40% for his entire career. His off-the-dribble shooting is horrendous.

[MEDIC]

It is no longer small sample size.
Perhaps people believe Barnes could take over the scoring, so Barrett can start off the bench with Agbaji or Walter starting instead, but clearly this is not the case.

3 point shooting is more meant for providing space inside, however, we have no other rim pressure nor postup to score inside.

It should be, at this point, VERY clear how much we need RJ, or a similar type of player. RJ has his weaknesses, but so does everyone on this team. We're a lot better with him than without him right now, and have literally no one to replace what he does bring to us. Like Barnes, he thrives within a certain role and structure... and he provides something we dearly miss when he isn't on the floor.

It's still hard to believe that this is the same guy who averaged a .515 TS% in his first 4 seasons in the league. The FO was taking on his contract to get IQ.

Like, we're all talking at the time 'maybe, if things go right he can put up a .550 TS%. And keep in mind he was playing along side Randal ande Brunson later on as well, so he was playing with talent.

Even in a reduced role I never thought he'd put up anything close to 20PTS on .60 TS%.

That's why you have to give players a clean slate when they get traded. New system, new situation, young maturing player, etc.

Lesson learned hopefully. This is not the first or last time something like this has or will happen.

Look at NAW. Look at Powell. Etc.

It's not like we traded for a 30 year old.player. He was 24 years old.

[tsherkin]

It's still hard to believe that this is the same guy who averaged a .515 TS% in his first 4 seasons in the league. The FO was taking on his contract to get IQ.

Like, we're all talking at the time 'maybe, if things go right he can put up a .550 TS%. And keep in mind he was playing along side Randal ande Brunson later on as well, so he was playing with talent.

Even in a reduced role I never thought he'd put up anything close to 20PTS on .60 TS%.

I think it speaks to how use case does matter. RJ isn't ever going to be That Guy (TM) as far as the primary on-ball scorer... but we've found a way to use him at a reasonable volume which works out very well around the rest of our guys. We've limited his shot diet, he's improved as a passer, he's rediscovered his 3 and leaned into his off-ball threat.

It's really nice to see.

[Vampirate]

It should be, at this point, VERY clear how much we need RJ, or a similar type of player. RJ has his weaknesses, but so does everyone on this team. We're a lot better with him than without him right now, and have literally no one to replace what he does bring to us. Like Barnes, he thrives within a certain role and structure... and he provides something we dearly miss when he isn't on the floor.

It's still hard to believe that this is the same guy who averaged a .515 TS% in his first 4 seasons in the league. The FO was taking on his contract to get IQ.

Like, we're all talking at the time 'maybe, if things go right he can put up a .550 TS%. And keep in mind he was playing along side Randal ande Brunson later on as well, so he was playing with talent.

Even in a reduced role I never thought he'd put up anything close to 20PTS on .60 TS%.

That's why you have to give players a clean slate when they get traded. New system, new situation, young maturing player, etc.

Lesson learned hopefully. This is not the first or last time something like this has or will happen.

Look at NAW. Look at Powell. Etc.

It's not like we traded for a 30 year old.player. He was 24 years old.

If you're talking about Norman Powell, he was already uber effecient in Toronto before the trade, he just managed to keep up his effeciency with higher volume. Essentially he was already arguably the best 6th man in the league at the time of the trade.

[MEDIC]

It's still hard to believe that this is the same guy who averaged a .515 TS% in his first 4 seasons in the league. The FO was taking on his contract to get IQ.

Like, we're all talking at the time 'maybe, if things go right he can put up a .550 TS%. And keep in mind he was playing along side Randal ande Brunson later on as well, so he was playing with talent.

Even in a reduced role I never thought he'd put up anything close to 20PTS on .60 TS%.

That's why you have to give players a clean slate when they get traded. New system, new situation, young maturing player, etc.

Lesson learned hopefully. This is not the first or last time something like this has or will happen.

Look at NAW. Look at Powell. Etc.

It's not like we traded for a 30 year old.player. He was 24 years old.

If you're talking about Norman Powell, he was already uber effecient in Toronto before the trade, he just managed to keep up his effeciency with higher volume. Essentially he was already arguably the best 6th man in the league at the time of the trade.

Norm took less than half the shots that RJ did his first few years in the league. He was a bench player. He had a much easier job.

RJ was in NY & was thrown into the fire from a super young age. There is no way Norm would have been efficient, given the same circumstance. Norm had very little pressure compared to RJ's situation.

I get that your comment waa specifically about TS%, but context matters.

[Vampirate]

That's why you have to give players a clean slate when they get traded. New system, new situation, young maturing player, etc.

Lesson learned hopefully. This is not the first or last time something like this has or will happen.

Look at NAW. Look at Powell. Etc.

It's not like we traded for a 30 year old.player. He was 24 years old.

If you're talking about Norman Powell, he was already uber effecient in Toronto before the trade, he just managed to keep up his effeciency with higher volume. Essentially he was already arguably the best 6th man in the league at the time of the trade.

In his final year before the trade norm was a 19.6PPG scorer on 13.5 shots on 49.8% FG/ 43.9% 3P/ 86.5% FT shooting.

You are really underestimating how good of a scorer Norm was back then.
Norm took less than half the shots that RJ did his first few years in the league. He was a bench player. He had a much easier job.

RJ was in NY & was thrown into the fire from a super young age. There is no way Norm would have been efficient, given the same circumstance. Norm had very little pressure compared to RJ's situation.

I get that your comment waa specifically about TS%, but context matters.

[Vampirate]

That's why you have to give players a clean slate when they get traded. New system, new situation, young maturing player, etc.

Lesson learned hopefully. This is not the first or last time something like this has or will happen.

Look at NAW. Look at Powell. Etc.

It's not like we traded for a 30 year old.player. He was 24 years old.

If you're talking about Norman Powell, he was already uber effecient in Toronto before the trade, he just managed to keep up his effeciency with higher volume. Essentially he was already arguably the best 6th man in the league at the time of the trade.

Norm took less than half the shots that RJ did his first few years in the league. He was a bench player. He had a much easier job.

RJ was in NY & was thrown into the fire from a super young age. There is no way Norm would have been efficient, given the same circumstance. Norm had very little pressure compared to RJ's situation.

I get that your comment waa specifically about TS%, but context matters.

In his final year before the trade norm was a 19.6PPG scorer on 13.5 shots on 49.8% FG/ 43.9% 3P/ 86.5% FT shooting.

You are really underestimating how good of a scorer Norm was back then.

[Spates]

If you're talking about Norman Powell, he was already uber effecient in Toronto before the trade, he just managed to keep up his effeciency with higher volume. Essentially he was already arguably the best 6th man in the league at the time of the trade.

Norm took less than half the shots that RJ did his first few years in the league. He was a bench player. He had a much easier job.

RJ was in NY & was thrown into the fire from a super young age. There is no way Norm would have been efficient, given the same circumstance. Norm had very little pressure compared to RJ's situation.

I get that your comment waa specifically about TS%, but context matters.

In his final year before the trade norm was a 19.6PPG scorer on 13.5 shots on 49.8% FG/ 43.9% 3P/ 86.5% FT shooting.

You are really underestimating how good of a scorer Norm was back then.

Norm was excellent. Granted he was still mistake prone back then. Wasn't effective in the midrange so he dribbled into some trouble. Clearly wasn't done developing