2025 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread

greg4012 · Post #1181 » by **greg4012** » Yesterday 5:57 am

Notable for anyone resistant to running Davion off the bench: the 2-man lineup of Jaquez and Mitchell has logged 268 minutes this season and has a net rating of +14.4. That's good for 3rd best on the team of any 2-man lineup that has logged at least 100 minutes this season.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1182 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Yesterday 6:05 am

greg4012 wrote:Notable for anyone resistant to running Davion off the bench: the 2-man lineup of Jaquez and Mitchell has logged 268 minutes this season and has a net rating of +14.4. That's good for 3rd best on the team of any 2-man lineup that has logged at least 100 minutes this season.

Surely someone within the organization is bringing this info to the table to help Spo navigate figuring out the best lineups for us to run going forward

batterybro42 · Post #1183 » by **batterybro42** » Yesterday 6:16 am

Team needs to figure out how to play with Herro. It’s not Herro’s problem. What I have seen in 2 games is that he has a crazy amount gravity. Guys question themselves and give it up to him. Herro is going to get his in the flow, the other guys don’t have to defer, but that’s what I see happening and it’s slowing the offense down.

K N U C K L E S · Post #1184 » by **K N U C K L E S** » Yesterday 6:36 am

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What about Haslem? I don't recall him missing whole seasons of games.

K N U C K L E S · Post #1185 » by **K N U C K L E S** » Yesterday 6:50 am

Somehow the Heat still have the 2nd best PPG in the league. If Herro hadn't come back, they'd be #1.

Crazy-Canuck · Post #1186 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Yesterday 7:01 am

K N U C K L E S wrote:Somehow the Heat still have the 2nd best PPG in the league. If Herro hadn't come back, they'd be #1.

Only 2 games, it won't impact the stats much.

It might take some time for the team to regain their chemistry. This isn't something that gets fixed with a couple of practices.

HeatFanLifer · Post #1187 » by **HeatFanLifer** » Yesterday 7:48 am

K N U C K L E S wrote:
greg4012 wrote:

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What about Haslem? I don't recall him missing whole seasons of games.

True.

HeatFanLifer · Post #1188 » by **HeatFanLifer** » Yesterday 7:49 am

K N U C K L E S wrote:Somehow the Heat still have the 2nd best PPG in the league. If Herro hadn't come back, they'd be #1.

Is the offense the way it was? No, but it does have potential to be even better.

twix2500 · Post #1189 » by **twix2500** » Yesterday 10:36 am

Miami Heat been averaging 106 in pace prior to the last 2 games. Pace is literally a scheme in this offense. Getting teams on their heels is a must for this scheme to work.

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3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1190 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Yesterday 11:56 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:
K N U C K L E S wrote:Somehow the Heat still have the 2nd best PPG in the league. If Herro hadn't come back, they'd be #1.

Only 2 games, it won't impact the stats much.

It might take some time for the team to regain their chemistry. This isn't something that gets fixed with a couple of practices.

Nah dude, adding a high usage scoring guard to an offense is always a seamless transition and it’s absolutely insane to suggest otherwise. Remember when the big 3 Heat first formed and they started the season out 17-0?!

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1191 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Yesterday 11:57 am

K N U C K L E S wrote:
greg4012 wrote:

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What about Haslem? I don't recall him missing whole seasons of games.

He might be close, he was racking up DNPs though. I think Tim meant actually getting playing time

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1192 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Yesterday 12:05 pm

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I wonder how sick Jimmy and Bozo The Clown here are seeing how dominant we’ve been to start the season while the Warriors are in purgatory and Steph just got injured again last night. This clown was running victory laps last season after the trade to the warriors while we were still struggling.

twix2500 · Post #1193 » by **twix2500** » Yesterday 12:19 pm

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I wonder how sick Jimmy and Bozo The Clown here are seeing how dominant we’ve been to start the season while the Warriors are in purgatory and Steph just got injured again last night. This clown was running victory laps last season after the trade to the warriors while we were still struggling.

You are too soft on Butler's secretary.

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3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1194 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Yesterday 2:31 pm

Let me preface this post by saying I’m going to speak about adjusting to lineup changes which is somehow controversial and will get you attacked by the Herro Brigade as well as what Spo may be thinking in regards to the rotation based on what we saw last night so if you simply lack common sense this is your warning to just skip over the post:

We are finally at full strength like we’ve been waiting for all season and we just added a high usage scoring guard to the system with no training camp and little to no practice time at all as a full group, hence Spo saying last night “I can’t wait for practice on Friday”. This would be true if we traded Terry straight up for Ant or Luka or SGA or even as simple as Norm or Bam missing the first 17 games of the season as opposed to Tyler, THIS IS NOT A KNOCK ON TYLER. Things will be in a funk for a little bit as we navigate this and get more familiar together. For example, Norm just easily had his worst game of the season, that wasn’t just a coincidence. We’re going to need to figure out how best to involve him with this offense so our main guys are all getting theirs. Luckily, Tyler has put in work while he was out to keep his touch and shooting polished so this actually puts us ahead of the curve as opposed to him also needing to work off a bunch of rust because he hasn’t been able to get in any work or just rushed back as fast as he could. It’s a work in progress and we’ll figure it out.

As for the rotation and starting lineup, it’s a tough spot to be in right now. I think Ware starts last night if Giannis plays so Bam can matchup with Giannis and Ware on Turner. I think Ware starts again in the very near future, deciding who starts between Ware and Mitchell might simply be matchup based going forward for awhile. If Ware starts 1 of Davion, Dru or Pelle is out of the rotation, that’s hard to justify right now. If Davion starts Jovic and Keshad are out, that’s a much easier decision. I think it goes further than simply just Ware should start or Davion should start, both have a ripple effect to the rotation as a whole and some guys deserve to play over others. Ware didnt start but he only played 3 less minutes than Bam Davion and Powell.

Jaime is the 6MOY favorite, he was 9th in minutes last night. This thing is a work in progress right now, luckily we’re still winning games while figuring it out thus far

MadD23 · Post #1195 » by **MadD23** » Yesterday 3:03 pm

batterybro42 wrote:Team needs to figure out how to play with Herro. It’s not Herro’s problem. What I have seen in 2 games is that he has a crazy amount gravity. Guys question themselves and give it up to him. Herro is going to get his in the flow, the other guys don’t have to defer, but that’s what I see happening and it’s slowing the offense down.

Guys can't hit a bucket. When that happens it affects their confidence. They'll start hitting buckets again soon, Herro was just the fix to the problem including our coach small ball approach during 2 games we had no business winning.

Flash4thewin · Post #1196 » by **Flash4thewin** » Yesterday 3:15 pm

twix2500 wrote:Miami Heat been averaging 106 in pace prior to the last 2 games. Pace is literally a scheme in this offense. Getting teams on their heels is a must for this scheme to work.

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We are basically the modern day regular season Sun with the run and gun approach. Unfortunately for us the regular season and playoffs are completely different animals.

greg4012 · Post #1197 » by **greg4012** » Yesterday 3:33 pm

K N U C K L E S wrote:Somehow the Heat still have the 2nd best PPG in the league. If Herro hadn't come back, they'd be #1.

Pace is the somehow. Miami is still #1 in pace.

Actual offensive efficiency has dropped to middle of the pack tho

greg4012 · Post #1198 » by **greg4012** » Yesterday 3:37 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:
twix2500 wrote:Miami Heat been averaging 106 in pace prior to the last 2 games. Pace is literally a scheme in this offense. Getting teams on their heels is a must for this scheme to work.

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We are basically the modern day regular season Sun with the run and gun approach. Unfortunately for us the regular season and playoffs are completely different animals.

The good news:

According to CleaningTheGlass.com, Miami’s halfcourt offense currently ranks No. 6 in the league. According to Genius Sports player tracking data, their halfcourt offense is No. 7 in points per chance – the equivalent of per possession in their data, with actual points per possession factoring in offensive rebounds, which we’ll get to later – at 1.03. All good things. If that’s the range where they finish the season, they’re in good shape.

Pace is still crucially important to Miami's approach in the halfcourt offense, but Miami is not currently just a fastbreak/transition spammer. Spacing in this system and everyone operating on a string is as important as the pacing.

twix2500 · Post #1199 » by **twix2500** » Yesterday 3:37 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:
twix2500 wrote:Miami Heat been averaging 106 in pace prior to the last 2 games. Pace is literally a scheme in this offense. Getting teams on their heels is a must for this scheme to work.

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We are basically the modern day regular season Sun with the run and gun approach. Unfortunately for us the regular season and playoffs are completely different animals.

I say it's more like Nelly ball

greg4012 · Post #1200 » by **greg4012** » Yesterday 3:56 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:As for the rotation and starting lineup, it’s a tough spot to be in right now. I think Ware starts last night if Giannis plays so Bam can matchup with Giannis and Ware on Turner. I think Ware starts again in the very near future, deciding who starts between Ware and Mitchell might simply be matchup based going forward for awhile. If Ware starts 1 of Davion, Dru or Pelle is out of the rotation, that’s hard to justify right now. If Davion starts Jovic and Keshad are out, that’s a much easier decision. I think it goes further than simply just Ware should start or Davion should start, both have a ripple effect to the rotation as a whole and some guys deserve to play over others. Ware didnt start but he only played 3 less minutes than Bam Davion and Powell.

Since I spend too much time thinking about these lineups, I can't help but work through this.

Scenario 1: "If Ware starts 1 of Davion, Dru or Pelle is out of the rotation, that’s hard to justify right now."

Herro (12) - Davion (25) - Smith (11)
Powell (30) - Herro (18)
Wiggins (28) - Jaquez (10) - Pelle (10)
Bam (8-12) - Jaquez (18) - Jovic/Fontecchio (18-22)
Ware (25-30) - Bam (18-23)

Scenario 2: "If Davion starts Jovic and Keshad are out"

Davion (28) - Smith (20)
Herro (30) - Powell (18)
Powell(12)* - Wiggins/Jaquez (30) - Larsson/Fontecchio (6)
Wiggins/Jaquez (30) - Bam (8-12) - Jovic/Fontecchio (6-10)
Bam (18-23) - Ware (25-30)

*The bigger issue for lineup rotations is Herro and Powell getting to around 60 minutes of game play between the 2. Last night we saw Miami eat into the Forward rotation to accommodate the Herro/Powell 60. For a number of reasons, I contend that is a big mistake. It actually puts a squeeze on minutes available for the whole pool of Jaquez (deserves 30 mpg right now), Larsson, Fontecchio, Jovic and Keshad (not in rotation when everyone's healthy unless he passes up Jovic--TBD). It shrinks the pie for all of those guys to split.

Scenario 1 opens up the forward rotation to give Pelle more potential minutes and some opportunity for whoever deserves it out of Fontecchio, Jovic, Keshad. It also obviously sizes Miami up and most importantly, doesn't force Norman Powell into a role that he historically never succeeds in.

Let's not downgrade Norm's impact for the sake of having Davion start and maxing out Smith's minutes. Davion can have the same impact and similar role (probably will be more impactful) off the bench. Miami runs a distributed offensive system, Davion is doing a great job getting in the paint and passing out upon defense squeezing on him, but with Herro and Powell running with Wiggins and Bam (and Ware), that isn't as needed. Jaquez and Mitchell also have proven to work really well together.