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sol537 wrote:It would take KAT + OG or KAT + Mikal as the starting point to get Giannis. I would still do it for either of those packages.
I doubt they take KAT + Hart but I guess it all depends on who the 3rd and 4th teams are and what they want. Bucks have to end up with some young players, a load of picks, and salary relief.
sol537 wrote:It would take KAT + OG or KAT + Mikal as the starting point to get Giannis. I would still do it for either of those packages.
I doubt they take KAT + Hart but I guess it all depends on who the 3rd and 4th teams are and what they want. Bucks have to end up with some young players, a load of picks, and salary relief.
WaltFrazier wrote:Iron Mantis wrote:WaltFrazier wrote: I'm not railing just pointing out you are simplifying. Van vleet was gone, new coach, Schroeder struggled, they had injuries. They weren't going anywhere it's true but OG and Siakam were both in the last year of contract and they couldn't afford to pay them, everyone knew they were getting traded. And they were terrible the rest of 23-24, as well as the tanking year last year. Two seasons of terrible ball to watch. Yes they've done a nice job of rebuilding this year, but it's early to call them #2. And we'll see where they end up and where their ceiling is
The Raps are # 2 right now.... They've won 9 in a row and are 13 of their last 14. until that changes, you can't take that away from them. They're #2 in the east....Iron Mantis wrote:We're not trying to replace OG ... we're trying to add another OG so we can have two players with his skillset.
Really, OG is not doing anything miraculous.......it's why he isn't an All Star, All NBA defense, or getting DPOY or MVP votes etc. The Raptors readily traded him.
Why they traded him is irrelevant....The point is that they readily traded him for a bare minimum trade package. He is not a superstar. He's a 3&D role player which is just what we need. So I feel we can find another 3&D role player similar to him to add to the roster and give us a championship level defense.
I agree with getting another defensive wing, but how? I think Mitch is too much to give, because Hukporti isn't ready. As I posted elsewhere the killer is we did sign a big wing, albeit not a defender, but he's a non productive bust
spree2kawhi wrote:This was a terrible win. For the record, I’d absolutely trade Towns if someone found a tangible upgrade around the league. Let me know who you got. He can be so frustrating to watch. But at the same time, he is such a great passer, so at least that’ll always be there.
MrDollarBills wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:Any superstar not on the Thunder should be calling their agent tonight and asking how they can team up with Brunson, Mikal, Hart, Deuce and OG when he comes back from injury
Until I see otherwise, i don't think anyone is remotely serious. Brunson is a 1A Superstar
Is this a KAT trade proposal?
Yes. I'm over it.
sol537 wrote:We have Yabu's salary plus the salaries of several young guys to get close to $8-$10m to try to bring back a 6'8" 3&D wing at the deadline. We also have the WAS protected 1st (essentially 2nd rounders) and other 2nd rounders to use to get it done. There's gotta be someone out there that will be come available to us.
Iron Mantis wrote:WaltFrazier wrote:Iron Mantis wrote: The Raptors were 12-18 when they traded OG in Dec 2023 of the 2023-2024 season: they sucked WITH OG ..... They traded Siakam a month later. They already sucked and blew the team up to tank and build around Scottie.
Immediately before the beginning of the next season (2024-2025), Jakob Poeltl made public comments that were clearly understood as the Raptors tanking the coming season: and they did.....
The next season, 2025-2026, they are suddenly #2 in the east and have the best Net rating in the east.... WITHOUT OG.
I'm not even sure what you're railing against....no one is against OG on the Knicks... what I'm saying is we need another player like him to make our team better: a 3&D wing.
I'm not railing just pointing out you are simplifying. Van vleet was gone, new coach, Schroeder struggled, they had injuries. They weren't going anywhere it's true but OG and Siakam were both in the last year of contract and they couldn't afford to pay them, everyone knew they were getting traded. And they were terrible the rest of 23-24, as well as the tanking year last year. Two seasons of terrible ball to watch. Yes they've done a nice job of rebuilding this year, but it's early to call them #2. And we'll see where they end up and where their ceiling is
The Raps are # 2 right now.... They've won 9 in a row and are 13 of their last 14. until that changes, you can't take that away from them. They're #2 in the east....Iron Mantis wrote:We're not trying to replace OG ... we're trying to add another OG so we can have two players with his skillset.
Really, OG is not doing anything miraculous.......it's why he isn't an All Star, All NBA defense, or getting DPOY or MVP votes etc. The Raptors readily traded him.
Why they traded him is irrelevant....The point is that they readily traded him for a bare minimum trade package. He is not a superstar. He's a 3&D role player which is just what we need. So I feel we can find another 3&D role player similar to him to add to the roster and give us a championship level defense.
rajajackal wrote:Iron Mantis wrote:WaltFrazier wrote: I'm not railing just pointing out you are simplifying. Van vleet was gone, new coach, Schroeder struggled, they had injuries. They weren't going anywhere it's true but OG and Siakam were both in the last year of contract and they couldn't afford to pay them, everyone knew they were getting traded. And they were terrible the rest of 23-24, as well as the tanking year last year. Two seasons of terrible ball to watch. Yes they've done a nice job of rebuilding this year, but it's early to call them #2. And we'll see where they end up and where their ceiling is
The Raps are # 2 right now.... They've won 9 in a row and are 13 of their last 14. until that changes, you can't take that away from them. They're #2 in the east....Iron Mantis wrote:We're not trying to replace OG ... we're trying to add another OG so we can have two players with his skillset.
Really, OG is not doing anything miraculous.......it's why he isn't an All Star, All NBA defense, or getting DPOY or MVP votes etc. The Raptors readily traded him.
Why they traded him is irrelevant....The point is that they readily traded him for a bare minimum trade package. He is not a superstar. He's a 3&D role player which is just what we need. So I feel we can find another 3&D role player similar to him to add to the roster and give us a championship level defense.
calling og a roleplayer is harsh. he is an all nba defender with third option offensive efficiency
Iron Mantis wrote:rajajackal wrote:Iron Mantis wrote:The Raps are # 2 right now.... They've won 9 in a row and are 13 of their last 14. until that changes, you can't take that away from them. They're #2 in the east....
Why they traded him is irrelevant....The point is that they readily traded him for a bare minimum trade package. He is not a superstar. He's a 3&D role player which is just what we need. So I feel we can find another 3&D role player similar to him to add to the roster and give us a championship level defense.
calling og a roleplayer is harsh. he is an all nba defender with third option offensive efficiency
OG is an elite role player and perfect for us. We need another similar wing player on the roster to contend.
OG is not a superstar, has never been an All-Star, he's made one All-NBA defensive team in 9 years of his career.
This, He's a role player ...and despite his outstanding efficiency (because of the gravity of actual stars), If Brunson and KAT went down, the Knicks would not win games with OG as the first option.
He is a role player. An elite one, but a role player nevertheless. His role is 3&D.
rajajackal wrote:Iron Mantis wrote:rajajackal wrote:calling og a roleplayer is harsh. he is an all nba defender with third option offensive efficiency
OG is an elite role player and perfect for us. We need another similar wing player on the roster to contend.
OG is not a superstar, has never been an All-Star, he's made one All-NBA defensive team in 9 years of his career.
This, He's a role player ...and despite his outstanding efficiency (because of the gravity of actual stars), If Brunson and KAT went down, the Knicks would not win games with OG as the first option.
He is a role player. An elite one, but a role player nevertheless. His role is 3&D.
we did win games with him as the first option when brunson went down last year though. but i just realized og is to you what kat is to melo so i get it now
Iron Mantis wrote:rajajackal wrote:Iron Mantis wrote:OG is an elite role player and perfect for us. We need another similar wing player on the roster to contend.
OG is not a superstar, has never been an All-Star, he's made one All-NBA defensive team in 9 years of his career.
This, He's a role player ...and despite his outstanding efficiency (because of the gravity of actual stars), If Brunson and KAT went down, the Knicks would not win games with OG as the first option.
He is a role player. An elite one, but a role player nevertheless. His role is 3&D.
we did win games with him as the first option when brunson went down last year though. but i just realized og is to you what kat is to melo so i get it now
OG was the first option? I am pretty sure the Knicks still had this....you know...multi-year All-NBA, multi-year All-Star named KAT on the roster taking darn near 20 shots per game when Brunson went down.
Anyway....I'm saying we need TWO players like OG to contend, because another long 3&D wing would instantly give us the tools to have a championship-level defense. Melo says we need to get rid of KAT, not have two of them. So no, sir...you don't get it.
However....because of who was sent out in the OG trade, OG is to you what KAT is to those who wanted Randle gone. I get it...
the og trade actually stung because i was a big IQ supporter who thought he'd make a great starting combo guard next to brunson
rajajackal wrote:Iron Mantis wrote:rajajackal wrote:we did win games with him as the first option when brunson went down last year though. but i just realized og is to you what kat is to melo so i get it now
OG was the first option? I am pretty sure the Knicks still had this....you know...multi-year All-NBA, multi-year All-Star named KAT on the roster taking darn near 20 shots per game when Brunson went down.
Anyway....I'm saying we need TWO players like OG to contend, because another long 3&D wing would instantly give us the tools to have a championship-level defense. Melo says we need to get rid of KAT, not have two of them. So no, sir...you don't get it.
However....because of who was sent out in the OG trade, OG is to you what KAT is to those who wanted Randle gone. I get it...
but what he brings to this team made me get over it real fast
Iron Mantis wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Iron using this thread as his OG punching bag
Fat Kat wrote:Don’t know why, but I have a feeling that Giannis will be on this team this year. Just a hunch. Especially if they continue to lose
MrDollarBills wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:
Yes. I'm over it.
LFG! Once we replace kat with a real star shot creator we’ll be winning the chip.
Do you want Giannis or do you think that ship has sailed?
3toheadmelo wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:LFG! Once we replace kat with a real star shot creator we’ll be winning the chip.
Do you want Giannis or do you think that ship has sailed?
Absolutely want giannis. At the end of the day this is a star’s league. If giannis still wants the Knicks then you best believe he’ll be a Knick. KAT + Hart works or we can do KAT + Mikal. Either way a trio of Brunson, OG and Giannis is pretty much unstoppable.
