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Since Barrett’s injury Raptors offensive rating has plummeted to last in the league

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Re: Since Barrett’s injury Raptors offensive rating has plummeted to last in the league 

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Post#42 » by JustLucky » Mon Dec 1, 2025 12:20 am

its been 2 or 3 games right? why do people use 3 game sample sizes....
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Post#44 » by OhCanada » Mon Dec 1, 2025 2:17 am

Hopefully fans will put some damn respect on RJ's name now instead of trying to trade him fro every scrub with 1yr left on their contract. The amount of RJ hate has been unwarranted and outrageous.
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Post#45 » by brownbobcat » Mon Dec 1, 2025 3:43 am

PushDaRock wrote:But, does struggle more equate to worst offensive in the league bad? RJ alone shouldn't be the difference between top 5 offense and worst in the league is what I'm saying.

Most people expected them to miss RJ and what he does but you still expect some guys to step up in his place and seize the opportunity of more mins available.

The reality is that this team probably isn't a top-5 offence nor the worst in the league. And Jakobe/Gradey nor any of the other guards on the team are ready to step up yet.
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Post#46 » by PushDaRock » Mon Dec 1, 2025 3:54 am

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PushDaRock wrote:But, does struggle more equate to worst offensive in the league bad? RJ alone shouldn't be the difference between top 5 offense and worst in the league is what I'm saying.

Most people expected them to miss RJ and what he does but you still expect some guys to step up in his place and seize the opportunity of more mins available.

The reality is that this team probably isn't a top-5 offence nor the worst in the league. And Jakobe/Gradey nor any of the other guards on the team are ready to step up yet.


Gradey was force fed touches last season but he still scored almost 15 a game even if it was not done efficiently. He's got 7 points in the last 4 games. There's not being ready to step up and then there's laying complete eggs out there.
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Re: Since Barrett’s injury Raptors offensive rating has plummeted to last in the league 

Post#47 » by Jakay » Mon Dec 1, 2025 3:54 am

TorontoBarneys wrote:He's a mediocre player but the function that he does provide is extremely unique to our roster and subjectively adds a lot of value to our offense.


Yes scoring is a very niche role in the NBA
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Post#48 » by bape_lovers » Mon Dec 1, 2025 3:57 am

Ya, who wouldn’t Luka/Jokic as the 2nd/3rd option. Please be realistic.

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Post#49 » by Basketball_Jones » Mon Dec 1, 2025 4:02 am

This is a pretty good test and important to see what RJ’s true impact is that is hard to see in the numbers. And more PT for the young guards/wings to figure out who we should be dangling in trade offers.
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Post#50 » by PushDaRock » Mon Dec 1, 2025 4:30 am

Basketball_Jones wrote:This is a pretty good test and important to see what RJ’s true impact is that is hard to see in the numbers. And more PT for the young guards/wings to figure out who we should be dangling in trade offers.


If they continue to suck like this, what kind of dangling are you doing when they have little to no value?
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Post#51 » by 720 » Mon Dec 1, 2025 4:43 am

JustLucky wrote:its been 2 or 3 games right? why do people use 3 game sample sizes....

Because they like tunnel vision RJ and want to keep him, so this is their propaganda.
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Post#52 » by Appostis » Mon Dec 1, 2025 5:11 am

720 wrote:
JustLucky wrote:its been 2 or 3 games right? why do people use 3 game sample sizes....

Because they like tunnel vision RJ and want to keep him, so this is their propaganda.


Sample size theater but still it could be RJ.
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Post#53 » by Basketball_Jones » Mon Dec 1, 2025 5:18 am

PushDaRock wrote:
Basketball_Jones wrote:This is a pretty good test and important to see what RJ’s true impact is that is hard to see in the numbers. And more PT for the young guards/wings to figure out who we should be dangling in trade offers.


If they continue to suck like this, what kind of dangling are you doing when they have little to no value?


Who knows. But ideally I think of trades where we get rid of bad players lol. We probably can’t keep all of them anyways.
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Post#54 » by RoteSchroder » Mon Dec 1, 2025 5:18 am

720 wrote:
JustLucky wrote:its been 2 or 3 games right? why do people use 3 game sample sizes....

Because they like tunnel vision RJ and want to keep him, so this is their propaganda.


It's actually been 6 years and we should all know by now he's a bad on-ball player, but can be effective off-ball, provide rim pressure and is palatable as a catch and shoot player.

We currently have zero on-ball scorers that can match the prowess of someone like Austin Reaves..or even Norman Powell this year. Our best scorer, Ingram, is at 21.9 PPG (28th in the league) which is fairly close to his career averages. And our scoring depth is bad among top teams, we got zero guard/wing scorers off the bench. So losing a player who can average 20 PPG at 60 TS% is obviously gonna hurt. Whether he can maintain that is another story.
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Post#55 » by PushDaRock » Mon Dec 1, 2025 5:25 am

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PushDaRock wrote:
Basketball_Jones wrote:This is a pretty good test and important to see what RJ’s true impact is that is hard to see in the numbers. And more PT for the young guards/wings to figure out who we should be dangling in trade offers.


If they continue to suck like this, what kind of dangling are you doing when they have little to no value?


Who knows. But ideally I think of trades where we get rid of bad players lol. We probably can’t keep all of them anyways.


lmao but what are you expecting to get back for bad players other than bad players?
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Post#56 » by Westside Gunn » Mon Dec 1, 2025 5:30 am

RJ is the perfect complimentary player to BI. Even with the wins without him things did look a little bit off but the Raptors were pulling through.

This is Gradey Dick's opportunity to shine but he has underperformed
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Post#57 » by PushDaRock » Mon Dec 1, 2025 5:35 am

RoteSchroder wrote:
720 wrote:
JustLucky wrote:its been 2 or 3 games right? why do people use 3 game sample sizes....

Because they like tunnel vision RJ and want to keep him, so this is their propaganda.


It's actually been 6 years and we should all know by now he's a bad on-ball player, but can be effective off-ball, provide rim pressure and is palatable as a catch and shoot player.

We currently have zero on-ball scorers that can match the prowess of someone like Austin Reaves..or even Norman Powell this year. Our best scorer, Ingram, is at 21.9 PPG (28th in the league) which is fairly close to his career averages. And our scoring depth is bad among top teams, we got zero guard/wing scorers off the bench. So losing a player who can average 20 PPG at 60 TS% is obviously gonna hurt. Whether he can maintain that is another story.


Austin Reaves is playing at an All-NBA level this season lol obviously we don't have anyone like that.

This team does have depth where we can go 10 or 11 deep and do really well, but if we miss even a single starter, we don't have anyone that can step in and replace what that starter does well. This team is built in a way where it's only "good" when everyone is healthy and everything is functioning properly but you take one part out from the starting lineup and the entire thing starts falling apart. That's usually going to be the case when you don't have a Superstar that can elevate everyone else's play.
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Post#58 » by RoteSchroder » Mon Dec 1, 2025 5:57 am

PushDaRock wrote:
RoteSchroder wrote:
720 wrote:Because they like tunnel vision RJ and want to keep him, so this is their propaganda.


It's actually been 6 years and we should all know by now he's a bad on-ball player, but can be effective off-ball, provide rim pressure and is palatable as a catch and shoot player.

We currently have zero on-ball scorers that can match the prowess of someone like Austin Reaves..or even Norman Powell this year. Our best scorer, Ingram, is at 21.9 PPG (28th in the league) which is fairly close to his career averages. And our scoring depth is bad among top teams, we got zero guard/wing scorers off the bench. So losing a player who can average 20 PPG at 60 TS% is obviously gonna hurt. Whether he can maintain that is another story.


Austin Reaves is playing at an All-NBA level this season lol obviously we don't have anyone like that.

This team does have depth where we can go 10 or 11 deep and do really well, but if we miss even a single starter, we don't have anyone that can step in and replace what that starter does well. This team is built in a way where it's only "good" when everyone is healthy and everything is functioning properly but you take one part out from the starting lineup and the entire thing starts falling apart. That's usually going to be the case when you don't have a Superstar that can elevate everyone else's play.


yeah..what I essentially meant was that our team doesn't have anyone who can consistently shoulder a high scoring load...meanwhile the Laker's 2nd option is better than our best option. We're like bottom 8 when comparing the lead scorer on our team to other teams. I don't think our scoring depth is good either. There is no reliable scorer outside of Mamu on our bench.

Example: In terms of ~9-10+ PPG scorers, Miami has Bam Adebayo, Norman Powell, Davion Mitchell, Kel'el Ware, Jaime Jacquez, Tyler Herro, Andrew Wiggins, Pelle Larsson, Simone Fontecchio, Nikola Jovic (8 PPG). 10 players

We have Ingram, Scottie, Poeltl, RJ, IQ, Mamu. 6 players. Our next best volume scorers are Gradey (6.8 PPG), CMB (6.7 PPG), Shead (6.0 PPG)..and they can't really step up to fill the void.

So it's a double whammy. We've got under average lead scorers and bad scoring depth. Losing one guy will hurt a lot.
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Post#59 » by Basketball_Jones » Mon Dec 1, 2025 6:04 am

PushDaRock wrote:
Basketball_Jones wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
If they continue to suck like this, what kind of dangling are you doing when they have little to no value?


Who knows. But ideally I think of trades where we get rid of bad players lol. We probably can’t keep all of them anyways.


lmao but what are you expecting to get back for bad players other than bad players?


Who knows. We probably can’t keep them all anyways.
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Post#60 » by tsherkin » Mon Dec 1, 2025 6:13 am

Very small sample size, obviously. We clearly miss RJ though, not that this should.come as a surprise.

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