Since Barrett’s injury Raptors offensive rating has plummeted to last in the league

[canada_dry]

SHIP HIM OUT

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[C_Money]

The inevitable Ingram injury is coming at some point so we need to do something about the bench scoring.

[Boogie!]

But, does struggle more equate to worst offensive in the league bad? RJ alone shouldn't be the difference between top 5 offense and worst in the league is what I'm saying.

Most people expected them to miss RJ and what he does but you still expect some guys to step up in his place and seize the opportunity of more mins available.

I wasn't expecting that, but it's a small sample size.

RJ's rim pressure has always been undervalued and misunderstood on this board. Look at the shots that were taken late in the game. Mostly tough perimeter shots.

Knowing when & where to cut is a massively underrated skill. Not every player has those instincts.

His 3 point shot has been good enough to contribute to scoring and spacing as well.

He's a great complimentary scorer.

You don't have to tell me about RJ's impact, I've been saying it since last year even when he was miscast in a higher USG role he wasn't suited for that he was going to be better in his more ideal role like we saw when he first got here.

I was also saying it was nonsense to move RJ to the bench for guys that haven't proven anything in the league.

I can believe those things to be true and still be disappointed with these young guys not taking advantage of their opportunity here.

Young guys are not taking advantage because they’re not very good. Bench needs an upgrade. I kept saying they should’ve cut their losses with dick right away and sold someone on his potential instead of Trying to keep “developing” him. A guy drafted as a shooter who still can’t shoot in his 3rd year with no other elite skills to his name is not worth developing. Give the other guys some run, Lawson, battle, Hepburn, anybody. If dick wasn’t drafted so high he would be the last guy off the bench.

[everdiso]

Yeah if Dick/Walter/Agbaji can't be better than this then our ability to withstand injuries to the wings is pretty low.

Backup bigs and backup PG look good tho.

[Tripod]

Our offense is best summed up by "many hands make light work".

With everyone healthy, guys don't HAVE to try to do too much. You have 4 guys who can have hot nights and a steady Yak. And when 1 has a bad night, you have 3 to lift him up.

But with no RJ...or once BI misses games...only having 3 guys...you can't offset bad nights. And we saw...IQ shooting 1-7 from 3 on b2b games. BI missed 14 straight shots over 2 games. Barnes went 1-9 in the 2nd half yesterday and had to play vs C's. The team just isn't deep enough to offset their losses.

Shead, Ochai, Gradey, Walter, Mogbo, CMB, Battle....they combined have 4 games getting over 15 pts in a game. We just lack a reliable scorer off the bench besides Mamu.

Reliable vet scorer and a real backup C would really help solidify our rotational depth.

[brownbobcat]

Our offense is best summed up by "many hands make light work".

With everyone healthy, guys don't HAVE to try to do too much. You have 4 guys who can have hot nights and a steady Yak. And when 1 has a bad night, you have 3 to lift him up.

But with no RJ...or once BI misses games...only having 3 guys...you can't offset bad nights. And we saw...IQ shooting 1-7 from 3 on b2b games. BI missed 14 straight shots over 2 games. Barnes went 1-9 in the 2nd half yesterday and had to play vs C's. The team just isn't deep enough to offset their losses.

Shead, Ochai, Gradey, Walter, Mogbo, CMB, Battle....they combined have 4 games getting over 15 pts in a game. We just lack a reliable scorer off the bench besides Mamu.

Reliable vet scorer and a real backup C would really help solidify our rotational depth.

This team doesn't have elite talent that can drag everyone else along, we knew the only chance of success would be by committee.

[Duffman100]

Our offense is best summed up by "many hands make light work".

With everyone healthy, guys don't HAVE to try to do too much. You have 4 guys who can have hot nights and a steady Yak. And when 1 has a bad night, you have 3 to lift him up.

But with no RJ...or once BI misses games...only having 3 guys...you can't offset bad nights. And we saw...IQ shooting 1-7 from 3 on b2b games. BI missed 14 straight shots over 2 games. Barnes went 1-9 in the 2nd half yesterday and had to play vs C's. The team just isn't deep enough to offset their losses.

Shead, Ochai, Gradey, Walter, Mogbo, CMB, Battle....they combined have 4 games getting over 15 pts in a game. We just lack a reliable scorer off the bench besides Mamu.

Reliable vet scorer and a real backup C would really help solidify our rotational depth.

We REALLY need that bench to start winning us some games. Shead and Mamu have been solid (shead stumbling as of late).

But Ochai, Gradey, Walter, CMB etc really need to step up.

[PushDaRock]

I wasn't expecting that, but it's a small sample size.

RJ's rim pressure has always been undervalued and misunderstood on this board. Look at the shots that were taken late in the game. Mostly tough perimeter shots.

Knowing when & where to cut is a massively underrated skill. Not every player has those instincts.

His 3 point shot has been good enough to contribute to scoring and spacing as well.

He's a great complimentary scorer.

You don't have to tell me about RJ's impact, I've been saying it since last year even when he was miscast in a higher USG role he wasn't suited for that he was going to be better in his more ideal role like we saw when he first got here.

I was also saying it was nonsense to move RJ to the bench for guys that haven't proven anything in the league.

I can believe those things to be true and still be disappointed with these young guys not taking advantage of their opportunity here.

Young guys are not taking advantage because they’re not very good. Bench needs an upgrade. I kept saying they should’ve cut their losses with dick right away and sold someone on his potential instead of Trying to keep “developing” him. A guy drafted as a shooter who still can’t shoot in his 3rd year with no other elite skills to his name is not worth developing. Give the other guys some run, Lawson, battle, Hepburn, anybody. If dick wasn’t drafted so high he would be the last guy off the bench.

His leash is already a lot shorter this season. If he keeps this up, you probably will get your wish sooner rather than later.

[PushDaRock]

Our offense is best summed up by "many hands make light work".

With everyone healthy, guys don't HAVE to try to do too much. You have 4 guys who can have hot nights and a steady Yak. And when 1 has a bad night, you have 3 to lift him up.

But with no RJ...or once BI misses games...only having 3 guys...you can't offset bad nights. And we saw...IQ shooting 1-7 from 3 on b2b games. BI missed 14 straight shots over 2 games. Barnes went 1-9 in the 2nd half yesterday and had to play vs C's. The team just isn't deep enough to offset their losses.

Shead, Ochai, Gradey, Walter, Mogbo, CMB, Battle....they combined have 4 games getting over 15 pts in a game. We just lack a reliable scorer off the bench besides Mamu.

Reliable vet scorer and a real backup C would really help solidify our rotational depth.

They need to be a tax team to get those things you want.

[johanliebert]

Yeah if Dick/Walter/Agbaji can't be better than this then our ability to withstand injuries to the wings is pretty low.

Backup bigs and backup PG look good tho.

There's only one big on the roster.

[tsherkin]

There's only one big on the roster.

Depends on how you define a "big."

CMB is very definitely a PF type player even if he's a little short. He has the reach and the power. Really big guys give him trouble, of course, but that mostly happens when we run him as an undersized 5. Mogbo is pretty clearly a 4, and not terribly undersized for it. Sandro is a big. Poeltl is a big.

After that, for sure, we lack anything I'd call a big. We use Scottie like one at times and we run a series of guys at the 4 who are really 3s, though that's common enough in this era. Still, we definitely lack size. Don't know that I'd say we only have one big, though that's perhaps an overly semantic response, heh.

[LoveMyRaps]

its been 2 or 3 games right? why do people use 3 game sample sizes....

Because they like tunnel vision RJ and want to keep him, so this is their propaganda.

I assure you, if it was Scottie's absence that led to our ORTG plummeting to last in the league, you'd be using it as an argument to emphasize his importance.

Don't kid yourself.

[Boogie!]

its been 2 or 3 games right? why do people use 3 game sample sizes....

Because they like tunnel vision RJ and want to keep him, so this is their propaganda.

I assure you, if it was Scottie's absence that led to our ORTG plummeting to last in the league, you'd be using it as an argument to emphasize his importance.

Don't kid yourself.

Absolutely. Thank you for pointing this out. This is what annoys me about this board. People will get self righteous about people being negative and a hater when you criticize their favourite players, but do not have the self awareness to see they do the exact same thing.

[bballsparkin]

^^It's not accurate to call him "tunnel vision RJ" either imho. That shows a bias right of the bat. RJ actually has pretty good vision and makes nice passes. He's averaging 3.8 assists per game and had 5.4 last year. Does he look to score first seeminly often? Perhaps, but he's pretty good at it. And as mentioned he takes it inside in a way most of the team as currently constructed can not. The end of the Charlotte's game when they went on that 12-0 run was concerning. Just pack the paint against us it looked like. They had JP making plays at the three point line and BI take low percentage long twos.

As long as RJ tries his best defensively I will be satisfied with the effort. That's what bothered me about DD defensively. I got the feeling he was too good for that end of the court. Or maybe his brain just didn't work that way. Who knows.

[LoveMyRaps]

^^It's not accurate to call him "tunnel vision RJ" either imho. That shows a bias right of the bat. RJ actually has pretty good vision and makes nice passes. He's averaging 3.8 assists per game and had 5.4 last year. Does he look to score first seeminly often? Perhaps, but he's pretty good at it. And as mentioned he takes it inside in a way most of the team as currently constructed can not. The end of the Charlotte's game when they went on that 12-0 run was concerning. Just pack the paint against us it looked like. They had JP making plays at the three point line and BI take low percentage long twos.

As long as RJ tries his best defensively I will be satisfied with the effort. That's what bothered me about DD defensively. I got the feeling he was too good for that end of the court. Or maybe his brain just didn't work that way. Who knows.

"tunnel vision RJ" is such an outdated and ignorant remark.

[Boogie!]

^^It's not accurate to call him "tunnel vision RJ" either imho. That shows a bias right of the bat. RJ actually has pretty good vision and makes nice passes. He's averaging 3.8 assists per game and had 5.4 last year. Does he look to score first seeminly often? Perhaps, but he's pretty good at it. And as mentioned he takes it inside in a way most of the team as currently constructed can not. The end of the Charlotte's game when they went on that 12-0 run was concerning. Just pack the paint against us it looked like. They had JP making plays at the three point line and BI take low percentage long twos.

As long as RJ tries his best defensively I will be satisfied with the effort. That's what bothered me about DD defensively. I got the feeling he was too good for that end of the court. Or maybe his brain just didn't work that way. Who knows.

"tunnel vision RJ" is such an outdated and ignorant remark.

He averaged almost the same assists as Barnes last year… and people keep repeating this bull.

[Thaddy]

When Poeltl is out we should have CMB at C. Nothing else is worth the time. Size is important and he can probably shoot just as well as the other brick buddies. He's the highest pick too. Otherwise I'd put Mogbo in there. Walter and Battle was a terrible idea by Darko.

[720]

Love how RJ fans like to point out his assist numbers. When most people that have a problem with his vision are talking about his dumbass forced layups over traffic or when he doesn’t make the easy pass in transition. Almost like they’re debating in bad faith.

[bobbyp3588]

its been 2 or 3 games right? why do people use 3 game sample sizes....

Because they like tunnel vision RJ and want to keep him, so this is their propaganda.

Foolish. This is your propaganda.

[ATLTimekeeper]

When you consider drives, RJ passes more frequently out of drives (and drives more) than Scottie. RJ gets slightly more secondary assists with less opportunity. This isn't because RJ is a more willing or better passer, but he's a better ballhandler and passer off the dribble in traffic. He's more comfortable in those tough areas. He knows how to set up defenders so that he can get the score, the FT attempt or find the open man.

I don't think we suck on offense just because RJ is out. There's a lot of players fading at the same time. The guys fighting for minutes are trying hard but not looking comfortable.