Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap and the 1st page

[dirkules_41]

Well, one of the goals would be to free up cap, so getting expiring back in AD deal would actually be good. Any FRP's on top of that would be a plus.

But there are so many teams i can't see wanting AD and his insane contract anyway... Hawks being one of them.

I get you don't like the man but it's really far from insane.

https://www.espn.com/nba/salaries

When he is healthy (which he has been at times) he's easily a Top 15 if not Top 10 player in this league. He makes the same as Tatum (out for the year), Butler (hardly a Top 10 star), Beal and Towns.... There are 27 (!!!) players this year making above 40m. I think you guys haven't kept up with the real world much lately.

Even Trae makes 46m. I know people want to offload AD asap but his value is much higher than a salary dump and some questionable FRPs.

I do like AD, i think he's insanely good player when he's healthy and in shape. But he's neither right now and is getting older and older. His salary in his final year will be 63M with a player option. Then his agent will want max extension which is 70M+. Now that is a HUGE gamble. Who will want to trade for all of that? And what possible return can you get for such a gamble?

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/cap/_/year/2027

Even Bulls are basically saying the same thing.

[Collier] The Bulls have had internal discussions about Dallas Mavericks star Anthony Davis, sources told ESPN, whom they believe could help the team’s porous rim protection and defensive interior.

However, team sources said the Bulls will not sacrifice any of their young core to execute such a deal until the team is closer to contention.

"I don't think going out and chasing X megastar is the way to proceed -- at least today," one source told ESPN.

Well and the Bulls are also calling him a megastar, so throwing him out the window for expiring and filler is ridiculous. Let the man play a strong half season and interest will be sky high again. Until he has done that he basically can't be traded. You can't give away the main trade return for Luka for even less and under value.
Time to be patient and wait this out until the right timing comes.

[Mr B]

I get you don't like the man but it's really far from insane.

https://www.espn.com/nba/salaries

When he is healthy (which he has been at times) he's easily a Top 15 if not Top 10 player in this league. He makes the same as Tatum (out for the year), Butler (hardly a Top 10 star), Beal and Towns.... There are 27 (!!!) players this year making above 40m. I think you guys haven't kept up with the real world much lately.

Even Trae makes 46m. I know people want to offload AD asap but his value is much higher than a salary dump and some questionable FRPs.

I do like AD, i think he's insanely good player when he's healthy and in shape. But he's neither right now and is getting older and older. His salary in his final year will be 63M with a player option. Then his agent will want max extension which is 70M+. Now that is a HUGE gamble. Who will want to trade for all of that? And what possible return can you get for such a gamble?

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/cap/_/year/2027

Even Bulls are basically saying the same thing.

[Collier] The Bulls have had internal discussions about Dallas Mavericks star Anthony Davis, sources told ESPN, whom they believe could help the team’s porous rim protection and defensive interior.

However, team sources said the Bulls will not sacrifice any of their young core to execute such a deal until the team is closer to contention.

"I don't think going out and chasing X megastar is the way to proceed -- at least today," one source told ESPN.

Well and the Bulls are also calling him a megastar, so throwing him out the window for expiring and filler is ridiculous. Let the man play a strong half season and interest will be sky high again. Until he has done that he basically can't be traded. You can't give away the main trade return for Luka for even less and under value.
Time to be patient and wait this out until the right timing comes.

I think the main concern (at least from what I’ve been reading here) is that IF Davis stays healthy and plays well enough to show his value is still high, that he will play the Mavs out of a top 10 pick.

My thinking though, is that if Davis plays well and stays healthy they could possible get a top 10 pick in the trade for AD.

[Maverick41]

Atlanta gets: Anthony Davis, DLo Russel
Dal gets: Porzingis, Asa Newell, Luke Kennard, 2026 FRP (Least Favorable), 2028 FRP (Least Favorable)

Atlanta gets AD without giving up any of their starters or core pieces in NAW and OO. This puts them as one of the best teams in the weakened East. Dallas gets a huge expiring in KP, a much-needed floor spacer, a young guy who was a high school teammate of Coop, and picks.

The FRP situation gets a little confusing since there's so many teams involved with all the swaps. I assume the two picks would be around 18-25ish.

I'm okay with this trade. I'm not excited but I think it one of the more realistic trades considering AD's severely depressed value right now. Also I like the large amount of shooting being added to the team. This helps a lot with Flagg's development as they transition into him making more on-ball plays and more usage.

[Super Cooper]

I totally forgot PJ can't be traded this year. I don't think anyone else has enough value to bring Dyson to Dallas.

Any thoughts on targeting Collier and Kessler?

[dirkules_41]

I do like AD, i think he's insanely good player when he's healthy and in shape. But he's neither right now and is getting older and older. His salary in his final year will be 63M with a player option. Then his agent will want max extension which is 70M+. Now that is a HUGE gamble. Who will want to trade for all of that? And what possible return can you get for such a gamble?

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/cap/_/year/2027

Even Bulls are basically saying the same thing.

[Collier] The Bulls have had internal discussions about Dallas Mavericks star Anthony Davis, sources told ESPN, whom they believe could help the team’s porous rim protection and defensive interior.

However, team sources said the Bulls will not sacrifice any of their young core to execute such a deal until the team is closer to contention.

"I don't think going out and chasing X megastar is the way to proceed -- at least today," one source told ESPN.

Well and the Bulls are also calling him a megastar, so throwing him out the window for expiring and filler is ridiculous. Let the man play a strong half season and interest will be sky high again. Until he has done that he basically can't be traded. You can't give away the main trade return for Luka for even less and under value.
Time to be patient and wait this out until the right timing comes.

I think the main concern (at least from what I’ve been reading here) is that IF Davis stays healthy and plays well enough to show his value is still high, that he will play the Mavs out of a top 10 pick.

My thinking though, is that if Davis plays well and stays healthy they could possible get a top 10 pick in the trade for AD.

If Kyrie comes back before the ASG and the team becomes even mildly healthy this is a playoff team still easily even with having to climb out of the hole we’re currently in - I’m sick of this loser attitude on here and everyone dreaming of tanking. We suffered enough from this trade and as long as we get even a just a little lucky with health for once (about time) this shouldn’t be close. Can’t stand Nico and the roster has flaws but also has tons and tons of talent.

[arkuo]

Well and the Bulls are also calling him a megastar, so throwing him out the window for expiring and filler is ridiculous. Let the man play a strong half season and interest will be sky high again. Until he has done that he basically can't be traded. You can't give away the main trade return for Luka for even less and under value.
Time to be patient and wait this out until the right timing comes.

I think the main concern (at least from what I’ve been reading here) is that IF Davis stays healthy and plays well enough to show his value is still high, that he will play the Mavs out of a top 10 pick.

My thinking though, is that if Davis plays well and stays healthy they could possible get a top 10 pick in the trade for AD.

If Kyrie comes back before the ASG and the team becomes even mildly healthy this is a playoff team still easily even with having to climb out of the hole we’re currently in - I’m sick of this loser attitude on here and everyone dreaming of tanking. We suffered enough from this trade and as long as we get even a just a little lucky with health for once (about time) this shouldn’t be close. Can’t stand Nico and the roster has flaws but also has tons and tons of talent.

If Kyrie comes back before ASG, chances are we don't get a high pick.

[dirkules_41]

I think the main concern (at least from what I’ve been reading here) is that IF Davis stays healthy and plays well enough to show his value is still high, that he will play the Mavs out of a top 10 pick.

My thinking though, is that if Davis plays well and stays healthy they could possible get a top 10 pick in the trade for AD.

If Kyrie comes back before the ASG and the team becomes even mildly healthy this is a playoff team still easily even with having to climb out of the hole we’re currently in - I’m sick of this loser attitude on here and everyone dreaming of tanking. We suffered enough from this trade and as long as we get even a just a little lucky with health for once (about time) this shouldn’t be close. Can’t stand Nico and the roster has flaws but also has tons and tons of talent.

If Kyrie comes back before ASG, chances are we don't get a high pick.

We won’t and shouldn’t. Plenty of talent on this roster, might need to consolidate some via trades at some point though

[arkuo]

If Kyrie comes back before the ASG and the team becomes even mildly healthy this is a playoff team still easily even with having to climb out of the hole we’re currently in - I’m sick of this loser attitude on here and everyone dreaming of tanking. We suffered enough from this trade and as long as we get even a just a little lucky with health for once (about time) this shouldn’t be close. Can’t stand Nico and the roster has flaws but also has tons and tons of talent.

If Kyrie comes back before ASG, chances are we don't get a high pick.

We won’t and shouldn’t. Plenty of talent on this roster, might need to consolidate some via trades at some point though

I think they need to pick their battles. They can fight next season when they get another high pick.

[dirkules_41]

If Kyrie comes back before ASG, chances are we don't get a high pick.

We won’t and shouldn’t. Plenty of talent on this roster, might need to consolidate some via trades at some point though

I think they need to pick their battles. They can fight next season when they get another high pick.

If you watch the games you can tell that nobody there is ready for a tank - say what you will about their performances but they’ve fought every single game except maybe one or two (Memphis comes to mind). As long as there’s no further major health setbacks I do not see how they could possibly finish the year on a losing record.

[arkuo]

We won’t and shouldn’t. Plenty of talent on this roster, might need to consolidate some via trades at some point though

I think they need to pick their battles. They can fight next season when they get another high pick.

If you watch the games you can tell that nobody there is ready for a tank - say what you will about their performances but they’ve fought every single game except maybe one or two (Memphis comes to mind). As long as there’s no further major health setbacks I do not see how they could possibly finish the year on a losing record.

The players don't tank of course. These guys are paid to play. You don't intentionally miss shots unless you want the FBI investigating you for point shaving. It's Kidd's job to sit guys out to produce losses. Carlisle's done that before to "tank" for Doncic. Kidd's done that too. But now it looks like they're competing instead of tanking. Which is the wrong decision IMO. But we only watch them from afar.

[dirkules_41]

I think they need to pick their battles. They can fight next season when they get another high pick.

If you watch the games you can tell that nobody there is ready for a tank - say what you will about their performances but they’ve fought every single game except maybe one or two (Memphis comes to mind). As long as there’s no further major health setbacks I do not see how they could possibly finish the year on a losing record.

The players don't tank of course. These guys are paid to play. You don't intentionally miss shots unless you want the FBI investigating you for point shaving. It's Kidd's job to sit guys out to produce losses. Carlisle's done that before to "tank" for Doncic. Kidd's done that too. But now it looks like they're competing instead of tanking. Which is the wrong decision IMO. But we only watch them from afar.

When we tanked for Luka we had a roster that had maybe 20% of the talent of our current roster. If that.
Yes you can de-tune your engine but there’s limits - unless **** health continues of course

[arkuo]

If you watch the games you can tell that nobody there is ready for a tank - say what you will about their performances but they’ve fought every single game except maybe one or two (Memphis comes to mind). As long as there’s no further major health setbacks I do not see how they could possibly finish the year on a losing record.

The players don't tank of course. These guys are paid to play. You don't intentionally miss shots unless you want the FBI investigating you for point shaving. It's Kidd's job to sit guys out to produce losses. Carlisle's done that before to "tank" for Doncic. Kidd's done that too. But now it looks like they're competing instead of tanking. Which is the wrong decision IMO. But we only watch them from afar.

When we tanked for Luka we had a roster that had maybe 20% of the talent of our current roster. If that.
Yes you can de-tune your engine but there’s limits - unless **** health continues of course

I was referring to a game where Carlisle put in 12th or 15th guys as starters just to lose the game. I think it was against Orlando at that time? I can't recall. But we did try to lose that on purpose, and we did.

[Teffer10]

I dont understand the tanking arguement.
It's pretty simple to me....keep Davis and there is no need to TRY to tank because the results will be the same either way.

Anybody who thinks AD will stay healthy enough to make us relevant is living in fantasy land.

Trade him immediately before he has a season or career ending injury would be the wise thing to do.

I certainly dont advocate tanking by any means, but I also dont want a fragile part timer taking up a huge portion of our cap space.

[arkuo]

If there has been talks between Cuban and Rich Paul, then pretty sure they've agreed to have AD score a ton to get his trade value up. Like if you want us to send you to a location of your choosing, then you have to look good for us to get a decent return package.

[Michaellam1987]

there are too many bad teams right now, trying to fight for better draft position, you have to be really bad to secure top 5 position in the draft,

[arkuo]

there are too many bad teams right now, trying to fight for better draft position, you have to be really bad to secure top 5 position in the draft,

I've been following the potential draftees lately and I really like Peterson's fit with Flagg. However I think we're too good to tank as seen today. Over teams like Indy who's missing Haliburton for the whole year.

Peterson
Dybantsa
Boozer
Wilson
Brown Jr.

That's probably the guys who will go top 5 picks.

[Michaellam1987]

unless DAL forces its way to lose, otherwise, WAS/BKN/SAC/IND/CHA/UTAH/NOP will all likely to have worse record, already exclude LAC as it should fight hard, as the pick being owned by OKC),

[41Dirk41]

Players don't tank. Never.

Street clothes played his best game in Mavs uniform when the trade talk are real... He wants to part away from Dallas, Harrison and Doncic trade

[MassimoPayne]

The thing is if you wait till AD has played some good games he will be injured again and then there is 0 trade value anymore.
I don't even want anything back. Just get rid of him. There will be no relevant 1st involved anyway

[arkuo]

What do you think are the chances that Dirk himself gets hired as the long term GM of the Mavs?