2025 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread

[greg4012]

I wonder what could possibly have changed 3 games ago? Hmmmmmmmm

Tyler at shooting guard and Ware getting less than 25 minutes a game are two things that I don't think are going to be good for the team long term. Unfortunately we might need a couple more wakeup losses before Spo is willing to rock the boat again.

I think he's experimenting still.

The last few games, he's been stuck on

Bam, wiggins, powell, and Davion as a 4 man unit. And rotating the 5th for stretches. (Not starting, just the rotations)

With tyler, powell is always the 3.
With pelle
And tonight with fontecchio

Not having powell at SF has been pretty visible. It triggered the big run in the Pistons game and tonights game.

I imagine spo will try a different person with that quartet vs the mavs. Im hoping it's wares turn next.

This is the crux of it all for me. It's not about me thinking Tyler needs to be a PG exclusively. It's not about me not loving how Davion is playing and his contributions. It's not about me not thoroughly appreciating Dru Smith (what a luxury). It's not about me not thinking Bam should play Center. It's about keeping guards at guard and not going smallest in the league at every single position. The skeleton key to not doing that is to keep Powell at SG exclusively and have extra Herro minutes spill into PG rotation IMO.

[greg4012]

Just to continue on what a couple of others have said about moving powell out of the SF.

This was a harden clip, but it's our defense that created it.

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It starts with the smart double by fontecchio to get it out of hardens hands. He stays between man and rim. Awareness.

Then bam, forces the action into the strongside to where the help is waiting which forces a crosscourt pass. Awareness.

When the ball gets swung to the weakside, look at where powell and wiggins are standing.

Since powell is no longer the sf, he gets to play up on closest man unaware there's another player to worry about. Now wiggins is the weakside low man. His job now is to be aware and cover 2 which he does, but that only happens because the length and athleticism is there to deter. Awareness

Its why there's such a contrast when powell is the sf. He'd normally cover the ball leaving the baseline guy open for a dunk or an open 3. Its hard when your sf lacks the size and athleticism to recover. That's one of the bigger trigger points of the defense.

And almost none of that shows up in individual stats, so no one notices other than just that the shot is missed.

If fontecchio makes a lazy double, if bam steers the wrong way, if wiggins falls asleep... the entire defense falls apart. This is the playing on a string spo is talking about.

The stat that does show it: opponent points in paint

[greg4012]

It's crazy to see that Norman Powell is averaging career highs in pretty much everything - FGM, FGA, FG%, 3PM, 3PT%, FTM, FTA, FT%, eFG, RPG, APG, SPG, PPG. Basically the only thing he is not peaking in is BPG. This is a guy that was on the cusp of an All Star berth last season and would have been in the East.

Then I go and look at Herro's stats in his first 4 games back, as a guy that we are annoyed with for disrupting our flow (still 3-1) and see that he is basically equal or better in basically every counting stat to Norm.

I know defense is a huge thing and I do agree there is some disruption to our team, but man if he hasn't been efficient (high % and low TO) and dynamic offensively.

Tyler is an elite shooter. Teams have to respect him, and that matters a great deal for this team. What’s clear is that Norman, Tyler and Davion playing together for any long stretches doesn’t maximize any of them. I think the current starting 5 is mostly about keeping the harmony between the group positive.

But it also seems like Spo will play that group in short bursts, and mix in other more effective lineups throughout the game. I’d need to see the lineups by minutes from last night, but it felt like Tyler was an early pull, and the time spent with Davion, Tyler and Norman on the floor at the same time was minimal.

The time spent with Herro + Powell + PG (either Mitchell or Smith) was roughly 12-13 minutes last night.

[Vertical Limit]

I gotta say Norm has top 5 shooting mechanics.. if you just watch his movements and positioning in slow motion, it speaks as to why he is such a high efficiency player. It is elite.

[heater4life]

It's crazy to see that Norman Powell is averaging career highs in pretty much everything - FGM, FGA, FG%, 3PM, 3PT%, FTM, FTA, FT%, eFG, RPG, APG, SPG, PPG. Basically the only thing he is not peaking in is BPG. This is a guy that was on the cusp of an All Star berth last season and would have been in the East.

Then I go and look at Herro's stats in his first 4 games back, as a guy that we are annoyed with for disrupting our flow (still 3-1) and see that he is basically equal or better in basically every counting stat to Norm.

I know defense is a huge thing and I do agree there is some disruption to our team, but man if he hasn't been efficient (high % and low TO) and dynamic offensively.

Tyler is an elite shooter. Teams have to respect him, and that matters a great deal for this team. What’s clear is that Norman, Tyler and Davion playing together for any long stretches doesn’t maximize any of them. I think the current starting 5 is mostly about keeping the harmony between the group positive.

But it also seems like Spo will play that group in short bursts, and mix in other more effective lineups throughout the game. I’d need to see the lineups by minutes from last night, but it felt like Tyler was an early pull, and the time spent with Davion, Tyler and Norman on the floor at the same time was minimal.

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Spo wants to get the most out of playing Herro/Powell at their natural positions.

How early did Tyler get pulled?

[He2Fast]

It's crazy to see that Norman Powell is averaging career highs in pretty much everything - FGM, FGA, FG%, 3PM, 3PT%, FTM, FTA, FT%, eFG, RPG, APG, SPG, PPG. Basically the only thing he is not peaking in is BPG. This is a guy that was on the cusp of an All Star berth last season and would have been in the East.

Then I go and look at Herro's stats in his first 4 games back, as a guy that we are annoyed with for disrupting our flow (still 3-1) and see that he is basically equal or better in basically every counting stat to Norm.

I know defense is a huge thing and I do agree there is some disruption to our team, but man if he hasn't been efficient (high % and low TO) and dynamic offensively.

Tyler is an elite shooter. Teams have to respect him, and that matters a great deal for this team. What’s clear is that Norman, Tyler and Davion playing together for any long stretches doesn’t maximize any of them. I think the current starting 5 is mostly about keeping the harmony between the group positive.

But it also seems like Spo will play that group in short bursts, and mix in other more effective lineups throughout the game. I’d need to see the lineups by minutes from last night, but it felt like Tyler was an early pull, and the time spent with Davion, Tyler and Norman on the floor at the same time was minimal.

The time spent with Herro + Powell + PG (either Mitchell or Smith) was roughly 12-13 minutes last night.

So minimal indeed. Thank you for the information. I’d assume the large majority of that was with the starting group. I think that Tyler went out at 17-11, and I think the start of the 2nd half, that same starting group went on another run before Tyler was the first sub out again. Short bursts seem to be much more effective.

[He2Fast]

It's crazy to see that Norman Powell is averaging career highs in pretty much everything - FGM, FGA, FG%, 3PM, 3PT%, FTM, FTA, FT%, eFG, RPG, APG, SPG, PPG. Basically the only thing he is not peaking in is BPG. This is a guy that was on the cusp of an All Star berth last season and would have been in the East.

Then I go and look at Herro's stats in his first 4 games back, as a guy that we are annoyed with for disrupting our flow (still 3-1) and see that he is basically equal or better in basically every counting stat to Norm.

I know defense is a huge thing and I do agree there is some disruption to our team, but man if he hasn't been efficient (high % and low TO) and dynamic offensively.

Tyler is an elite shooter. Teams have to respect him, and that matters a great deal for this team. What’s clear is that Norman, Tyler and Davion playing together for any long stretches doesn’t maximize any of them. I think the current starting 5 is mostly about keeping the harmony between the group positive.

But it also seems like Spo will play that group in short bursts, and mix in other more effective lineups throughout the game. I’d need to see the lineups by minutes from last night, but it felt like Tyler was an early pull, and the time spent with Davion, Tyler and Norman on the floor at the same time was minimal.

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Spo wants to get the most out of playing Herro/Powell at their natural positions.

How early did Tyler get pulled?

I believe the score was 17-11 when Tyler went out, if I am remembering correctly. I’d assume it was around 6 or so minutes into the first quarter.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I love Bam, 3ammy, but c'mon now. CB in this league would be lights out.

Bosh best 3 seasons shooting the 3:

34% on 2.8 attempts
37.5% on 3.8 attempts
36.5% on 4.2 attempts

Bam the last 2 seasons:

36% on 2.8 attempts
37.2% on 5.2 attempts

Edrice is taking that crown

I give Bam credit for becoming a legit shooter. He's worked so hard to develop that part of his game, we take it for granted now that he's a high level 3pt shooter for a big.

But CB is 100% taking that crown. He was arguably the best big shooter not named Dirk in those seasons you mention above. Put him in today's 3 for all NBA and he'd be doubling those attempts and makes.

Maybe so, we will never know unfortunately. It’s sad that the blood clots stole a few years of a Bosh/Bam frontcourt pairing from us. They are a perfect fit

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I wonder what could possibly have changed 3 games ago? Hmmmmmmmm

Tyler at shooting guard and Ware getting less than 25 minutes a game are two things that I don't think are going to be good for the team long term. Unfortunately we might need a couple more wakeup losses before Spo is willing to rock the boat again.

I've come to terms with the idea that Spo probably won't go to the well of shifting the SG extra rotation minutes to PG until one of Davion or Dru miss some time. I do hope that if anyone in the current starting group misses time, Ware is the first man up. It's frustrating getting almost no Bam-Ware minutes.

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Based on last nights quotes it doesn’t sound like Davion will be headed to the bench any time soon, the players/coaches are gushing over him. Bam and then Norm mention him as the head of the snake, I think they really value his pace and ability to push the ball and make little to no errors in his playmaking. His not some insane passer or anything like a Trae or Haliburton but he is very careful in what he does and makes the right simple reads majority of the time.

I’m with you all, I want to see Herro/Norm/Wiggins/Bam/Ware and wanted them to start together last night to match the Clippers size but then we get out there and beat the brakes off of them and the game is over by halftime a lot in part of Zubac drop against our shooters and being matched up with Bam. It was an insanely hot shooting night which obviously won’t happen every game so we’ll see how it continues to trend. Idk, they seemed a lot more locked in and engaged last night compared to the Detroit game too, kind of weird how different the approach felt

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[heater4life]

Tyler is an elite shooter. Teams have to respect him, and that matters a great deal for this team. What’s clear is that Norman, Tyler and Davion playing together for any long stretches doesn’t maximize any of them. I think the current starting 5 is mostly about keeping the harmony between the group positive.

But it also seems like Spo will play that group in short bursts, and mix in other more effective lineups throughout the game. I’d need to see the lineups by minutes from last night, but it felt like Tyler was an early pull, and the time spent with Davion, Tyler and Norman on the floor at the same time was minimal.

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Spo wants to get the most out of playing Herro/Powell at their natural positions.

How early did Tyler get pulled?

I believe the score was 17-11 when Tyler went out, if I am remembering correctly. I’d assume it was around 6 or so minutes into the first quarter.

Herro was pulled 6 minutes into 1st and 3rd quarters. When subbed back into the game it’s in place of Norm, with Dru coming in with him for Davion. Theyre clearly keeping those guys out of PG duties.

Norm and Herro played together again with around 3 to go in the game. Curious to see what unit they’d use to close in a closer game.

[He2Fast]

Tyler at shooting guard and Ware getting less than 25 minutes a game are two things that I don't think are going to be good for the team long term. Unfortunately we might need a couple more wakeup losses before Spo is willing to rock the boat again.

I've come to terms with the idea that Spo probably won't go to the well of shifting the SG extra rotation minutes to PG until one of Davion or Dru miss some time. I do hope that if anyone in the current starting group misses time, Ware is the first man up. It's frustrating getting almost no Bam-Ware minutes.

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Based on last nights quotes it doesn’t sound like Davion will be headed to the bench any time soon, the players/coaches are gushing over him. Bam and then Norm mention him as the head of the snake, I think they really value his pace and ability to push the ball and make little to no errors in his playmaking. His not some insane passer or anything like a Trae or Haliburton but he is very careful in what he does and makes the right simple reads majority of the time.

I’m with you all, I want to see Herro/Norm/Wiggins/Bam/Ware and wanted them to start together last night to match the Clippers size but then we get out there and beat the brakes off of them and the game is over by halftime a lot in part of Zubac drop against our shooters and being matched up with Bam. It was an insanely hot shooting night which obviously won’t happen every game so we’ll see how it continues to trend. Idk, they seemed a lot more locked in and engaged last night compared to the Detroit game too, kind of weird how different the approach felt

I think much of why the starting 5 is Davion/Tyler/Norm/Wiggins/Bam is to keep the peace, keep the vibes positive. And last night, that group came out swinging.

I think we’d all prefer for Ware to play more, but I think his time will come. I think we’d all prefer to keep the trio of Davion/Tyler/Norm minutes together to a minimum. Last night, they got short bursts, and played really well.

Bam and Wiggins were phenomenal on both ends. This is a fun group, wouldn’t you say?

[Crazy-Canuck]

Tyler at shooting guard and Ware getting less than 25 minutes a game are two things that I don't think are going to be good for the team long term. Unfortunately we might need a couple more wakeup losses before Spo is willing to rock the boat again.

I've come to terms with the idea that Spo probably won't go to the well of shifting the SG extra rotation minutes to PG until one of Davion or Dru miss some time. I do hope that if anyone in the current starting group misses time, Ware is the first man up. It's frustrating getting almost no Bam-Ware minutes.

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Based on last nights quotes it doesn’t sound like Davion will be headed to the bench any time soon, the players/coaches are gushing over him. Bam and then Norm mention him as the head of the snake, I think they really value his pace and ability to push the ball and make little to no errors in his playmaking. His not some insane passer or anything like a Trae or Haliburton but he is very careful in what he does and makes the right simple reads majority of the time.

I’m with you all, I want to see Herro/Norm/Wiggins/Bam/Ware and wanted them to start together last night to match the Clippers size but then we get out there and beat the brakes off of them and the game is over by halftime a lot in part of Zubac drop against our shooters and being matched up with Bam. It was an insanely hot shooting night which obviously won’t happen every game so we’ll see how it continues to trend. Idk, they seemed a lot more locked in and engaged last night compared to the Detroit game too, kind of weird how different the approach felt

The way the line ups are staggered is kinda what people want; norm not playing sf. This is spos answer to avoiding the who starts question and small ball. Only played 14 minutes of the 3 guard line up.

The starters + herro basically split minutes with the starters + fontecchio.

The next step (hopefully), the 4 starters and ware get some run.

Spo wants dru with herro and davion with Powell. It is what it is.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I've come to terms with the idea that Spo probably won't go to the well of shifting the SG extra rotation minutes to PG until one of Davion or Dru miss some time. I do hope that if anyone in the current starting group misses time, Ware is the first man up. It's frustrating getting almost no Bam-Ware minutes.

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Based on last nights quotes it doesn’t sound like Davion will be headed to the bench any time soon, the players/coaches are gushing over him. Bam and then Norm mention him as the head of the snake, I think they really value his pace and ability to push the ball and make little to no errors in his playmaking. His not some insane passer or anything like a Trae or Haliburton but he is very careful in what he does and makes the right simple reads majority of the time.

I’m with you all, I want to see Herro/Norm/Wiggins/Bam/Ware and wanted them to start together last night to match the Clippers size but then we get out there and beat the brakes off of them and the game is over by halftime a lot in part of Zubac drop against our shooters and being matched up with Bam. It was an insanely hot shooting night which obviously won’t happen every game so we’ll see how it continues to trend. Idk, they seemed a lot more locked in and engaged last night compared to the Detroit game too, kind of weird how different the approach felt

I think much of why the starting 5 is Davion/Tyler/Norm/Wiggins/Bam is to keep the peace, keep the vibes positive. And last night, that group came out swinging.

I think we’d all prefer for Ware to play more, but I think his time will come. I think we’d all prefer to keep the trio of Davion/Tyler/Norm minutes together to a minimum. Last night, they got short bursts, and played really well.

Bam and Wiggins were phenomenal on both ends. This is a fun group, wouldn’t you say?

Been a very fun start to the season, completely unexpected tbh. We look great and we’re looking very appealing for a start to slide right in and take us over the top. We’re like the perfect supporting cast team right now lol

I also think contract situations are playing a part in the rotation as well. Wares locked in for cheap for years, norm Wiggins and Powell are pretty much expirings

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Honestly each of these teams have some pieces that could help. Can the NBA at least go ahead and give us some clarity on if we can use Terrys salary or not? I was thinking we weren’t allowed but then it came out that we actually haven’t been told one way or another

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Holy **** lol I didn’t even realize he didn’t miss a shot last night

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It’s brewing, the only question is is it during the season or does it wait until the summer.

[heater4life]

The way the line ups are staggered is kinda what people want; norm not playing sf. This is spos answer to avoiding the who starts question and small ball. Only played 14 minutes of the 3 guard line up.

The starters + herro basically split minutes with the starters + fontecchio.

The next step (hopefully), the 4 starters and ware get some run.

Spo wants dru with herro and davion with Powell. It is what it is.

Both Powell and Herro are just less effective playing out of position (SF/PG). Herros played more minutes alongside Davion than any other starter, his numbers with Dru im sure will go up substantially. Was great last night, lets see how effective this is moving forward.

[Beenie]

Mia should call LAC about Kawhi and try to identify their price for him

Comes down to cost of course but if he can be gotten at a favorable price, he could be the counter to Cade and Brunson in the playoffs.