2025 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread

[Shewasfly]

I mean, beyond what others have already called out, you are doing so by virtue of arguing to not field our best 5 players in the starting lineup. And you're doing so for the purposes of keeping a career bench player (Davion, who you keep not mentioning) in the SL. That is embarrassing in and of itself.

I can see the argument for Davion because he has statistically been elite so far at PG this year. So even though I think to maximize our best players it'd be best moving him to the bench, I get it. He also helps keep Herro and Powell off ball so I can see the vision.

I shouldn’t be too embarrassed.

This season is very fun and this is an awesome board. Even if mine and Greg’s opinions differ and dialogue was less than constructive recently, he’s posting great stuff.

I don't think you're comprehending what my posts are saying. My opinion hasn't changed.

I'm saying it's between Davion and Wiggins that should move from the SL. I think it should be Davion to maximize our best players in the SL. However, I can see the argument for Spo keeping Davion in because he's having a statistically anomaly kind of season.

I have never argued to move Herro out of the SL. I still think that's embarrassing to argue, especially with zero reasoning beyond general dislike for him and a 3, now 4 game sample size where he's been great in all but 1.

[greg4012]

Yes to last night and I believe yes to the prior games, too (if you recall Spo did a hockey-style lineup change in the Detroit game). IMO no matter what version of Norm and Herro are on the floor together, it should always at least come with Bam plus another top defender on the floor.

Perhaps it’s as simple as the 3ball falling. That’s the main difference between the last 3 games. You certainly have to have Bam in any lineup with those two, that’s for sure.

Im going to say defensive intensity. For some reason bam and wiggins started the game trying to knock out the Clippers within the first 5 minutes. Then everyone followed suit and stayed playing with that same energy and confidence. It was infectious.

Imo, not exactly sustainable for every game. But encouraging that it's there.

Honestly was like the defensive intensity that Detroit started the game against Miami with.

[heater4life]

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I have never argued to move Herro out of the SL. I still think that's embarrassing to argue, especially with zero reasoning beyond general dislike for him and a 3, now 4 game sample size where he's been great in all but 1.

I have reasoning for thinking Herro, Powell lineups are not ideal. Pre Herro lineups were playing very well. Herro and Norm give us a lineup conflict we have to navigate around. Norm at 3 (no good), Herro at 1 (no bueno), Wiggs to the 4 (don’t like). Sliding Norm down to the 3 spot, sits Ware. Herro up to the 1 sits Davion (who has been playing well all year).

Tyler’s not going to the bench but this team so far is trying to limit his playing time alongside Powell.

Agree to disagree.

[greg4012]

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I have never argued to move Herro out of the SL. I still think that's embarrassing to argue, especially with zero reasoning beyond general dislike for him and a 3, now 4 game sample size where he's been great in all but 1.

I have reasoning for thinking Herro, Powell lineups are not ideal. Pre Herro lineups were playing very well. Herro and Norm give us a lineup conflict we have to navigate around. Norm at 3 (no good), Herro at 1 (no bueno), Wiggs to the 4 (don’t like). Sliding Norm down to the 3 spot, sits Ware. Herro up to the 1 sits Davion (who has been playing well all year).

Tyler’s not going to the bench but this team so far is trying to limit his playing time alongside Powell.

Agree to disagree.

Numbers from last season don't validate that Herro at 1 for stretches is no bueno. But, I don't care to go thru this exercise again with you.

Spo's not interested in it for now.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Perhaps it’s as simple as the 3ball falling. That’s the main difference between the last 3 games. You certainly have to have Bam in any lineup with those two, that’s for sure.

Im going to say defensive intensity. For some reason bam and wiggins started the game trying to knock out the Clippers within the first 5 minutes. Then everyone followed suit and stayed playing with that same energy and confidence. It was infectious.

Imo, not exactly sustainable for every game. But encouraging that it's there.

Honestly was like the defensive intensity that Detroit started the game against Miami with.

I’m sure Spo laid into them for allowing Detroit to do that, that’s supposed to be our shtick.

[Vertical Limit]

Tyler at shooting guard and Ware getting less than 25 minutes a game are two things that I don't think are going to be good for the team long term. Unfortunately we might need a couple more wakeup losses before Spo is willing to rock the boat again.

I've come to terms with the idea that Spo probably won't go to the well of shifting the SG extra rotation minutes to PG until one of Davion or Dru miss some time. I do hope that if anyone in the current starting group misses time, Ware is the first man up. It's frustrating getting almost no Bam-Ware minutes.

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Based on last nights quotes it doesn’t sound like Davion will be headed to the bench any time soon, the players/coaches are gushing over him. Bam and then Norm mention him as the head of the snake, I think they really value his pace and ability to push the ball and make little to no errors in his playmaking. His not some insane passer or anything like a Trae or Haliburton but he is very careful in what he does and makes the right simple reads majority of the time.

I’m with you all, I want to see Herro/Norm/Wiggins/Bam/Ware and wanted them to start together last night to match the Clippers size but then we get out there and beat the brakes off of them and the game is over by halftime a lot in part of Zubac drop against our shooters and being matched up with Bam. It was an insanely hot shooting night which obviously won’t happen every game so we’ll see how it continues to trend. Idk, they seemed a lot more locked in and engaged last night compared to the Detroit game too, kind of weird how different the approach felt

Lets be glad that we didnt pursue jrue like the media kept pushing for …. We kept saying on this board we got jrue lite in davion.. jrue at his enormous salary vs davions salary, the impact in wins wouldnt have made a difference.. jrue is more experienced and better but the impact wouldve been a wash

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Davion
Powell
Wiggins
Bam
Ware

Everyone is at least net neutral defensively, bring your scoring spark but very weak defender in Herro off the bench and let the flow of the game determine the closing lineup. There’s an option to get the size added

[greg4012]

Miami had a dominant performance against LAC last night, shot 52% from 3 on 46 attempts, all the starters scored over 15 points. Miami is 14-7 and the 3 seed in the East currently. Miami ranks 6th in the NBA in net rating at +5.3. Vibes are high. I'm loving it.

BUT, getting outclassed by Detroit still left a bad taste in my mouth. Miami is currently behind the knicks in the Eastern Conference standings and both the knicks and little brother magic are riding high right now with better net ratings than Miami over the past 4 games. F**K that. Miami has the 15th best offense and 7th best defense in this timespan. Not good enough. Gotta keep integrating the pieces (namely Herro) with those that helped Miami succeed previously (Ware, Larsson, Davion, Jaquez). A lot more iteration to do. I'm riding with a healthy paranoia.

My current fixation is Opponent Points in the Paint after seeing some clear warning signs the past 2 games. Over the 3-game span with the current rotation, Miami is worst in the league in opponent points per game, allowing 62 paint ppg. For context, over the last 20 seasons the worst opponent paint ppg allowed was 58.3 by Washington 2 seasons ago (29th ranked defense that season).

On the season as a whole, Miami is 24th in opponent paint points per game averaging 53.3. Before this stretch of games, Miami was at 51.9.

Of course, Miami plays at the fastest pace in the NBA so it will inflate all raw counting stats. So, if we adjust these numbers to average NBA pace, then what we have is Pace-Adjusted 59 opponent paint ppg allowed over the last 3 games. That still would be worst in league and worst in past 20 seasons.

On the season, Miami is allowing Pace-Adjusted 50.5 opponent paint ppg.

Small sample, of course. But, it's our only sample with this unit so far. Could be nothing that some small tweaks don't fix. But it's a signal that I'll try to monitor as the season progresses.

[greg4012]

Davion
Powell
Wiggins
Bam
Ware

Everyone is at least net neutral defensively, bring your scoring spark but very weak defender in Herro off the bench and let the flow of the game determine the closing lineup. There’s an option to get the size added

Of course--the problem is the human element. We've had these discussions of Herro 6th man for years. If he buys in, it's an easy solution. Still need to accommodate around 60 mpg for each of Herro and Powell. The minute spillover still goes to SF or PG.

[heater4life]

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I have never argued to move Herro out of the SL. I still think that's embarrassing to argue, especially with zero reasoning beyond general dislike for him and a 3, now 4 game sample size where he's been great in all but 1.

I have reasoning for thinking Herro, Powell lineups are not ideal. Pre Herro lineups were playing very well. Herro and Norm give us a lineup conflict we have to navigate around. Norm at 3 (no good), Herro at 1 (no bueno), Wiggs to the 4 (don’t like). Sliding Norm down to the 3 spot, sits Ware. Herro up to the 1 sits Davion (who has been playing well all year).

Tyler’s not going to the bench but this team so far is trying to limit his playing time alongside Powell.

Agree to disagree.

Numbers from last season don't validate that Herro at 1 for stretches is no bueno. But, I don't care to go thru this exercise again with you.

Spo's not interested in it for now.

Agree.

[batterybro42]

Well boys what are we will to give up for Giannis?

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Davion
Powell
Wiggins
Giannis
Bam

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Dang, giannis really did scrub his socials. Only Bucks related pic on Instagram is him holding the championship trophy up after winning it (Bam will carry him to more here) and then on Twitter he deleted all of his tweets dating back to 2021

[Enso]

Well boys what are we will to give up for Giannis?

Tyler, JJJ, a filler to match salaries and 3 frp

Including JJJ pains me but this is point Giannis we’re talking about we have no choice

The question is, does Milwaukee accept ?

[Enso]

Giannis
Powell
Wiggins
Bam
Ware

Bench:

Davion
Dru
Pelle
Fontechio
Jovic


You hope the league lets us use terrys expiring so we can round out the bench. Then you add a couple buyout players.

[heater4life]

Giannis
Powell
Wiggins
Bam
Ware

Bench:

Davion
Dru
Pelle
Fontechio
Jovic


You hope the league lets us use terrys expiring so we can round out the bench. Then you add a couple buyout players.

Mitchell
Giannis
Powell
Wiggins
Bam

That defense!

[inhabitMiami]

Giannis
Powell
Wiggins
Bam
Ware

Bench:

Davion
Dru
Pelle
Fontechio
Jovic


You hope the league lets us use terrys expiring so we can round out the bench. Then you add a couple buyout players.

Lol to get Giannis you'd have to give up Ware as well.

[Enso]

Giannis
Powell
Wiggins
Bam
Ware

Bench:

Davion
Dru
Pelle
Fontechio
Jovic


You hope the league lets us use terrys expiring so we can round out the bench. Then you add a couple buyout players.

Lol to get Giannis you'd have to give up Ware as well.

Never

[heater4life]

Giannis
Powell
Wiggins
Bam
Ware

Bench:

Davion
Dru
Pelle
Fontechio
Jovic


You hope the league lets us use terrys expiring so we can round out the bench. Then you add a couple buyout players.

Lol to get Giannis you'd have to give up Ware as well.

Never

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