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[wilson115]

My take on Mark and all these bigs passed up in the draft is this FO believes it's bad team-building strategy to invest FRPs or cap space on a center when you can make do with trawling other teams' rosters or the late draft for cheap help. Only thing that makes sense.

Well... I don't know that it's working all that well

Define "well". Got them off the hook for Mark's next contract, that's for sure.

[SWedd523]

My take on Mark and all these bigs passed up in the draft is this FO believes it's bad team-building strategy to invest FRPs or cap space on a center when you can make do with trawling other teams' rosters or the late draft for cheap help. Only thing that makes sense.

Well... I don't know that it's working all that well

Define "well". Got them off the hook for Mark's next contract, that's for sure.

Well if their goal was to have a cheap Center rotation then I guess job well done

[fatlever]

How does Tyron Lue still have a job?

[Diop]

My take on Mark and all these bigs passed up in the draft is this FO believes it's bad team-building strategy to invest FRPs or cap space on a center when you can make do with trawling other teams' rosters or the late draft for cheap help. Only thing that makes sense.

There was so much size bias with Edey. “He’s big, therefore he must be too slow for the nba”

Was a very common narrative, completely ignoring his good shuttle run times, he was written off by many.

[wilson115]

My take on Mark and all these bigs passed up in the draft is this FO believes it's bad team-building strategy to invest FRPs or cap space on a center when you can make do with trawling other teams' rosters or the late draft for cheap help. Only thing that makes sense.

There was so much size bias with Edey. “He’s big, therefore he must be too slow for the nba”

Was a very common narrative, completely ignoring his good shuttle run times, he was written off by many.

We can blame Rudy Gobert for that. You can look like Thanos down low, but if you can't step out to a 3pt shooter in the playoffs, well...

[JDR720]

If Mark keeps his current form up (or reasonably close to it) and actually stays healthy then trading him will probably turn out to be a bottom 5 move this team has made in the past decade. Now if/when he gets hurt again and ends up being a part-time player on a fairly big contract, then trading him will still be fine.

The trend of drafting players, trading them, and then them getting better on their other team almost immediately is very irritating. Monk, PJ, maybe Mark, and even the Martin twins (whichever one was on Miami in the Finals). Pretty sure our "drafted and traded" team would beat our drafted non-traded team.

I think this team needs good veterans more than just about anything. We haven't had a good veteran (leadership, locker room guy) in forever. Not counting end of bench guys. Maybe Grant is in this role, but he's a backup.

[yosemiteben]

Mark is only playing 25 mpg right now. He has to stay healthy while significantly increasing his role in their rotation before I consider him to be that sort of mistake.

I'm also not crying over Caleb Martin, his high water mark in his career was averaging 9-10 points per game in MIA and now he's barely getting off the bench for a bad team.

PJ is largely the same player he was when he was here, we traded him like we did with Rozier and Hayward - just to get draft capital and rebuild.

[Bassman]

Mav’s with a full contingent beat a strong Denver squad last night. If they keep AD and he stays healthy they will likely climb out of their hole. Good for the Hornet’s ultimate tanking effort.

[Braggins]

He sat out the first game and hasn't played back to backs, but hes looked good physically when he plays and has been really good.

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[yosemiteben]

Negative points for quoting Sidery, just cite the stats without him

But yeah, the thing is can he stay healthy. That's the whole game.

[Braggins]

I didn't feel good about reposting that Sidery guy, but I wanted the video that was in the post with the stats and it was the most convenient option.

The evidence with his health issues points more towards long term concern, which I would be willing to live with for him. Its not like he was about to be a max contract guy and if he can play at his current levels for the next few seasons at least I would absolutely take that.

Hes looked perfectly fine physically when he played the last two seasons, so I don't see him as someone that they needed to get off immediately because he was about the be washed already or something. I think the health stuff as a rationalization for his trade is a stretch and I dont buy it as a justification. The only way trading him ends up looking good in hindsight is if he has a catastrophic injury in the next few years, which is not the position you generally want to be in a trade scenario.

I think the front office is just flailing and made a stupid move. There was an interview during on the Suns games recently where Mark made a comment about how after the Lakers fell through he knew he was going to be traded again at some point before too long. I got the feeling from his comment that after the Lakers trade the relationship soured and both parties wanted to move on, which a lot of us on here have thought was strong possibility.

I see this as a massive fumble on the front office, who should not have been trying to trade him to the Lakers in the first place. They backed themselves into a corner where they had to sell one of their most promising young players for pennies on the dollar.

[JMAC3]

I didn't feel good about reposting that Sidery guy, but I wanted the video that was in the post with the stats and it was the most convenient option.

The evidence with his health issues points more towards long term concern, which I would be willing to live with for him. Its not like he was about to be a max contract guy and if he can play at his current levels for the next few seasons at least I would absolutely take that.

Hes looked perfectly fine physically when he played the last two seasons, so I don't see him as someone that they needed to get off immediately because he was about the be washed already or something. I think the health stuff as a rationalization for his trade is a stretch and I dont buy it as a justification. The only way trading him ends up looking good in hindsight is if he has a catastrophic injury in the next few years, which is not the position you generally want to be in a trade scenario.

I think the front office is just flailing and made a stupid move. There was an interview during on the Suns games recently where Mark made a comment about how after the Lakers fell through he knew he was going to be traded again at some point before too long. I got the feeling from his comment that after the Lakers trade the relationship soured and both parties wanted to move on, which a lot of us on here have thought was strong possibility.

I see this as a massive fumble on the front office, who should not have been trying to trade him to the Lakers in the first place. They backed themselves into a corner where they had to sell one of their most promising young players for pennies on the dollar.

The injury part isn't even the most concerning thing to me. The more concerning thing is that Phoenix has figured out how to unlock him on the defensive side of the ball after we all talked about how terrible he was defensively for the last year.

So he was an elite defender in college at Duke?
Not good on Hornets.
Now elite again on Suns.

Must just be by random chance.

[JMAC3]

Same was said about PJ Washington, who half the board was convinced he was a losing player who was too dumb to be a good defender.
Immediately goes to Dallas and improves on Defense.

Must be random chance again. We definitely should assume all of our defenders are all just bad and nothing to do with the franchise right now.

[yosemiteben]

I bet taking a calendar year vacation from any basketball activities probably had something to do with that

[fatlever]

days since Braggins mentions Mark Williams or PJ Washington = 0



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[JustBuzzin]

Pelicans gotta be concerned they might be stuck with Zion. He's out 3 weeks basically killing any chance of a trade for him.

This is what scares me with LaMelo

[Braggins]

days since Braggins mentions Mark Williams or PJ Washington = 0



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I had a post cooked up earlier that mentioned my guy Malik Monk (just as part of a Sabonis trade), but thought I would spare you all a bit because Ive been beating all the dead horses a lot recently (I'm posting about the Hornets medical staff in another thread as we speak lol).

It really bothers me when this franchise lets talent slip through their fingers and doubly so when its a guy I'm a big fan of.

[Braggins]

Kon knows whats up

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[Liver_Pooty]

Weird situation with the Clippers telling CP3 to go home during the middle of a road trip. Odd way to treat one of your franchises only legends.

[JMAC3]

Weird situation with the Clippers telling CP3 to go home during the middle of a road trip. Odd way to treat one of your franchises only legends.

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