Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[superunknown]

AD just 13 for 23....32 points and 14 rebounds.
If we are going all in on Curry's last years, how would we NOT trade Kuminga, Draymond and two firsts for AD?

Because AD is always hurt and we need Draymond who is still playing at a high level. Two firsts? Which years are you talking about? This trade could literally backfire this year AND sacrifice future draft capital.

The Clippers should be the story of caution for every GM to be aware of.

What Lawrence frank did in that PG trade might actually be worse than what nico did.

that's a bit of a stretch.....

[Onus]

Any hopes of getting a brooks or wiggins at the deadline for kuminga are all but dead.

And I'm not sure yoi want to overpay for herb Jones or Murphy unless they miraculously fused into one player.

Almost need to pray for jk to figure out or just take a big L and waste another what may be the last good steph year.

What is overpaying for Herb or Murphy? I don't think I've seen an actual cost for either yet.

[ILOVEIT]

Because AD is always hurt and we need Draymond who is still playing at a high level. Two firsts? Which years are you talking about? This trade could literally backfire this year AND sacrifice future draft capital.

The Clippers should be the story of caution for every GM to be aware of.

What Lawrence frank did in that PG trade might actually be worse than what nico did.

that's a bit of a stretch.....

We all see what Draymond does defensively. But we ALSO see what he doesn't do. Doesn't score from that position. Doesn't defend the rim. Is way undersized and nightmare matchups against Denver, OKC, Clippers and any team with legit size on the front line. Doesn't take care of the ball at all.

Warriors have not had legit size and scorer and rim defender since Bogut. Why do we THINK we need Draymond so much....because we have fricken nothing else! He effectively almost solves a problem he creates.

Offensively his entire game is little clever screens and passes to Curry. But the offense is so clogged with him on the floor that there is no room. He takes the defender to Curry, leaves two defenders ON Curry....and the dump back to Draymond no longer results in made threes or dunks because we no longer have the shooters (aka Klay, Otto Porter, Durant) to finish the posession.

I guarantee that IF we trade Draymond for a guy like AD or even Zubak, we'll all realize "what the F were we doing playing a 6'6" non scoring turnover machine for the last three years???

[Larry Ellison]

The Clippers should be the story of caution for every GM to be aware of.

What Lawrence frank did in that PG trade might actually be worse than what nico did.

that's a bit of a stretch.....

We all see what Draymond does defensively. But we ALSO see what he doesn't do. Doesn't score from that position. Doesn't defend the rim. Is way undersized and nightmare matchups against Denver, OKC, Clippers and any team with legit size on the front line. Doesn't take care of the ball at all.

Warriors have not had legit size and scorer and rim defender since Bogut. Why do we THINK we need Draymond so much....because we have fricken nothing else! He effectively almost solves a problem he creates.

Offensively his entire game is little clever screens and passes to Curry. But the offense is so clogged with him on the floor that there is no room. He takes the defender to Curry, leaves two defenders ON Curry....and the dump back to Draymond no longer results in made threes or dunks because we no longer have the shooters (aka Klay, Otto Porter, Durant) to finish the posession.

I guarantee that IF we trade Draymond for a guy like AD or even Zubak, we'll all realize "what the F were we doing playing a 6'6" non scoring turnover machine for the last three years???

So you want us to have three different players making $50M+ on our team. Under the current CBA and apron rules. With one of those being AD who is possibly the most injury prone player in the league along with Zion. AD is a better overall player than Dray when healthy, but expecting him to jump in midseason and have chemistry with Steph is asking a lot. Dray is on a value contract. I would rather keep him and trade JK for someone else.

[ILOVEIT]

that's a bit of a stretch.....

We all see what Draymond does defensively. But we ALSO see what he doesn't do. Doesn't score from that position. Doesn't defend the rim. Is way undersized and nightmare matchups against Denver, OKC, Clippers and any team with legit size on the front line. Doesn't take care of the ball at all.

Warriors have not had legit size and scorer and rim defender since Bogut. Why do we THINK we need Draymond so much....because we have fricken nothing else! He effectively almost solves a problem he creates.

Offensively his entire game is little clever screens and passes to Curry. But the offense is so clogged with him on the floor that there is no room. He takes the defender to Curry, leaves two defenders ON Curry....and the dump back to Draymond no longer results in made threes or dunks because we no longer have the shooters (aka Klay, Otto Porter, Durant) to finish the posession.

I guarantee that IF we trade Draymond for a guy like AD or even Zubak, we'll all realize "what the F were we doing playing a 6'6" non scoring turnover machine for the last three years???

So you want us to have three different players making $50M+ on our team. Under the current CBA and apron rules. With one of those being AD who is possibly the most injury prone player in the league along with Zion. AD is a better overall player than Dray when healthy, but expecting him to jump in midseason and have chemistry with Steph is asking a lot. Dray is on a value contract. I would rather keep him and trade JK for someone else.

Draymond is our value contract??? What's his value to this version of the Warriors?

What I want is a team that has a chance to sniff the finals. Sorry, but a team that needs two 36 year olds to score 30 each to have a chance to win games won't cut it. Kuminga alone is not fetching the Warriors a difference maker.

[Larry Ellison]

We all see what Draymond does defensively. But we ALSO see what he doesn't do. Doesn't score from that position. Doesn't defend the rim. Is way undersized and nightmare matchups against Denver, OKC, Clippers and any team with legit size on the front line. Doesn't take care of the ball at all.

Warriors have not had legit size and scorer and rim defender since Bogut. Why do we THINK we need Draymond so much....because we have fricken nothing else! He effectively almost solves a problem he creates.

Offensively his entire game is little clever screens and passes to Curry. But the offense is so clogged with him on the floor that there is no room. He takes the defender to Curry, leaves two defenders ON Curry....and the dump back to Draymond no longer results in made threes or dunks because we no longer have the shooters (aka Klay, Otto Porter, Durant) to finish the posession.

I guarantee that IF we trade Draymond for a guy like AD or even Zubak, we'll all realize "what the F were we doing playing a 6'6" non scoring turnover machine for the last three years???

So you want us to have three different players making $50M+ on our team. Under the current CBA and apron rules. With one of those being AD who is possibly the most injury prone player in the league along with Zion. AD is a better overall player than Dray when healthy, but expecting him to jump in midseason and have chemistry with Steph is asking a lot. Dray is on a value contract. I would rather keep him and trade JK for someone else.

Draymond is our value contract??? What's his value to this version of the Warriors?

What I want is a team that has a chance to sniff the finals. Sorry, but a team that needs two 36 year olds to score 30 each to have a chance to win games won't cut it. Kuminga alone is not fetching the Warriors a difference maker.

He makes $26M this year. I think most people see that as value in today's NBA. He is still a huge difference maker on defense and has excellent chemistry with Steph on the offensive end. He may not be an ISO offensive threat himself, and I would like his 3PT shooting to be better, but Draymond sets picks and his passing facilitates actions for other players like Steph. His BBIQ elevates the performance of the other players on both ends. You are ostensibly proposing this for Steph. To sacrifice draft capital and move salary in a bid to acquire a star and improve the team's chances at a title while Steph is still playing. I think it is pretty obvious Steph would not be in favor of trading Draymond, especially midseason. If Giannis comes available next summer, this is a different conversation. But I will pass on AD. I really don't feel like watching him sit on the bench in street clothes when we need him most.

[EvanZ]

Any hopes of getting a brooks or wiggins at the deadline for kuminga are all but dead.

And I'm not sure yoi want to overpay for herb Jones or Murphy unless they miraculously fused into one player.

Almost need to pray for jk to figure out or just take a big L and waste another what may be the last good steph year.

What is overpaying for Herb or Murphy? I don't think I've seen an actual cost for either yet.

I think 2 picks is overpaying at this point. Because simply put, it's in all likelihood not going to make a huge difference. 1 pick, sure. But they're not doing that deal anyway.

[DAWill1128]

The Clippers should be the story of caution for every GM to be aware of.

What Lawrence frank did in that PG trade might actually be worse than what nico did.

that's a bit of a stretch.....

We all see what Draymond does defensively. But we ALSO see what he doesn't do. Doesn't score from that position. Doesn't defend the rim. Is way undersized and nightmare matchups against Denver, OKC, Clippers and any team with legit size on the front line. Doesn't take care of the ball at all.

Warriors have not had legit size and scorer and rim defender since Bogut. Why do we THINK we need Draymond so much....because we have fricken nothing else! He effectively almost solves a problem he creates.

Offensively his entire game is little clever screens and passes to Curry. But the offense is so clogged with him on the floor that there is no room. He takes the defender to Curry, leaves two defenders ON Curry....and the dump back to Draymond no longer results in made threes or dunks because we no longer have the shooters (aka Klay, Otto Porter, Durant) to finish the posession.

I guarantee that IF we trade Draymond for a guy like AD or even Zubak, we'll all realize "what the F were we doing playing a 6'6" non scoring turnover machine for the last three years???

It's a challenging situation with Dray, he is older and has less foot speed and jumping ability to get to the spot to contest layups and dunks. Last night so many times OKC just got easy inside buckets when they needed them with him at center. But the other issue is the lack of a big playing next to him to help cover the paint when he stepped up to stop ball.

I think the franchise overestimated what Horford had left in the tank. I think they envisioned 2022 Finals Horford who played 30+ minutes a night and not what he had left years later. Thats where they banked the offseason on.

They need a more rangy big on both ends if they have Dray. Who that is thats gettable I am not sure. Maybe John Collins.

[Dubs 707]

Id cut horford and go get Ben Simmons... I know he can't shoot, but Horford hasn't thus far so f it lol

[Larry Ellison]

Clips record is awful. If Zubac or John Collins are available, those seem like reasonable targets for JK trade.

[jozef]

W's need a big: Gafford, Claxton, Sabonis, Markkanen... Simply tall quite athletic presence.
Gafford and Claxton are dunkers/shotblocker, Sabonis is all around, Markkanen more outside dynamic with a range.

Play Post and TJD more.

[Stern]

AD + Gafford + Klay
for
Butler + Kuminga + Hield
If Klay wants to come back to GSW

Dallas gets a young Kuminga and get out of Klay's contract.
It's Cooper's team, but maybe in 2 years. So for now Kyrie and Butler. And maybe a better locker room with Butler and Hield than AD.

[DonaldSanders]

It seems JK is dead set on being some ISO-scorer he really isn't, he'll have to learn the hard way on another team that his lack of success wasn't Kerr's fault. Hopefully Sac is still dumb enough to offer us something decent for him. Monk/Ellis for JK/TJD? Would be nice, they were offering a protected 1st in the summer.

Clips record is awful. If Zubac or John Collins are available, those seem like reasonable targets for JK trade.

The Clippers don't have their picks so I doubt they will dump veterans.

[superunknown]

It seems JK is dead set on being some ISO-scorer he really isn't, he'll have to learn the hard way on another team that his lack of success wasn't Kerr's fault. Hopefully Sac is still dumb enough to offer us something decent for him. Monk/Ellis for JK/TJD? Would be nice, they were offering a protected 1st in the summer.

Clips record is awful. If Zubac or John Collins are available, those seem like reasonable targets for JK trade.

The Clippers don't have their picks so I doubt they will dump veterans.

at this point monk/ellis for jk/TJD would be great. but after that you still need another trade(s) because with melton back+seth + monk and ellis you'd have way too many guards even for kerr
and you still have podz as well, whose ass is the first one to trade.

[vvoland]

It seems JK is dead set on being some ISO-scorer he really isn't, he'll have to learn the hard way on another team that his lack of success wasn't Kerr's fault. Hopefully Sac is still dumb enough to offer us something decent for him. Monk/Ellis for JK/TJD? Would be nice, they were offering a protected 1st in the summer.

Clips record is awful. If Zubac or John Collins are available, those seem like reasonable targets for JK trade.

The Clippers don't have their picks so I doubt they will dump veterans.

JK is averaging 10.4 FGA in 26 minutes per game. But don't let the facts get in the way of your narrative. Is his shot selection something to brag about? Definitely not. That said, considering how this team CANNOT score the basketball, him taking 2 fewer shots per game than last season is saying something to me about his mindset. Leading the team in rebounds is another statement. Guess I'm the only one seeing that, though.

[Onus]

It seems JK is dead set on being some ISO-scorer he really isn't, he'll have to learn the hard way on another team that his lack of success wasn't Kerr's fault. Hopefully Sac is still dumb enough to offer us something decent for him. Monk/Ellis for JK/TJD? Would be nice, they were offering a protected 1st in the summer.

Clips record is awful. If Zubac or John Collins are available, those seem like reasonable targets for JK trade.

The Clippers don't have their picks so I doubt they will dump veterans.

at this point monk/ellis for jk/TJD would be great. but after that you still need another trade(s) because with melton back+seth + monk and ellis you'd have way too many guards even for kerr
and you still have podz as well, whose ass is the first one to trade.

Just have to follow up that sac trade with a trade for PJ Washington or Herb Jones. I'd use Moody + Podz to get it done.

Curry/Malik/Spencer
Keon/Melton/Curry
Herb or Washington/Buddy/GP2
Jimmy/Gui
Dray/Horford/Post

[TB]

It seems JK is dead set on being some ISO-scorer he really isn't, he'll have to learn the hard way on another team that his lack of success wasn't Kerr's fault. Hopefully Sac is still dumb enough to offer us something decent for him. Monk/Ellis for JK/TJD? Would be nice, they were offering a protected 1st in the summer.




The Clippers don't have their picks so I doubt they will dump veterans.

at this point monk/ellis for jk/TJD would be great. but after that you still need another trade(s) because with melton back+seth + monk and ellis you'd have way too many guards even for kerr
and you still have podz as well, whose ass is the first one to trade.

Just have to follow up that sac trade with a trade for PJ Washington or Herb Jones. I'd use Moody + Podz to get it done.

Curry/Malik/Spencer
Keon/Melton/Curry
Herb or Washington/Buddy/GP2
Jimmy/Gui
Dray/Horford/Post

Yes please to that lineup. Steph would get so many additional good looks of quick offense from that defense.

[Onus]

at this point monk/ellis for jk/TJD would be great. but after that you still need another trade(s) because with melton back+seth + monk and ellis you'd have way too many guards even for kerr
and you still have podz as well, whose ass is the first one to trade.

Just have to follow up that sac trade with a trade for PJ Washington or Herb Jones. I'd use Moody + Podz to get it done.

Curry/Malik/Spencer
Keon/Melton/Curry
Herb or Washington/Buddy/GP2
Jimmy/Gui
Dray/Horford/Post

Yes please to that lineup. Steph would get so many additional good looks of quick offense from that defense.

For me the defensive smarts would lead to so many more transition looks and would help the offense. We'd finally be able to put pressure on the ball constantly with Keon, Melton, GP2, Herb. With Jimmy, Dray, Horford patrolling the back line. Then you add Monk for some offense off the bench.

Just have to hope Sac still wants JK and that the Mavs or Pels are willing trading partners. I'd add our 26 1st to get it done if necessary.

[AirP.]

3 team trade so the money works.

GS sends Kuminga and Podz to Sacramento for Monk and K.Ellis (extend him instantly).
GS send Hield to Orlando for Issac (Issac is a health risk).

Sac wants out of Monk's contract; Orlando wants out of Issac's contract and could always use another bench 3pt shooter.

Starters - Curry, Ellis, Butler, Green, Post
Bench - Monk, Melton, Moody, Issac, Horford, GP2, Seth

It would be wild to see a defense lineup of Melton, Ellis, Buter, Issac and Green while also having Moody, GP2 or Horford as defensive options also.

Wouldn't mind seeing GS send TJD and possibly a 2nd to Sac for Precious once his eligible to be moved.

[BayAreaDub]

Monk is not in any package coming here yall stop.

I mean seriously? You want to get smaller? Delusional.