2025 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread

[SA37]

Any premise that MIL is roster building with primary concern for fit around Kevin Porter Jr (25 year old journeyman that already washed out of league once) and 26-year old AJ Green--who is basically the equivalent of a lesser Max Strus project for MIL--seems misplaced.

No, the Bucks would be building around Rollins at guard ($4M next year and a PO in 2 years). AJ Green and Porter Jr are good players on team-friendly deals (Porter Jr has a $5M player option next year and Green will start a 4-year, $45M deal next year). Turner and Adebayo would be one of the best defensive frontcourts in the league.

The only offers I can see being better than what I suggested would be OKC offering Chet, Dieng, and some combo of the Clippers' pick, the Utah pick, or some other mix of the gazillion picks they have OR Cleveland offering Mobley and picks.

Rollins is promising and has a very complementary skillset to play along most other guards.

KPJ is not a reason a team decides to do anything. AJ Green is hoping to be a smaller Max Strus.

Love the matter of factness, but I think you're reaching.

I don't get your fixation. Green is their Duncan Robinson/Sam Merrill/Sam Hauser and is locked into a deal like Merrill's and Hauser's (significantly cheaper than Robinson). Porter Jr has put up good numbers in this league and is a low-risk, high reward player for the Bucks. If he works out, great. They were clearly happy enough to give Porter Jr a 2-year, $10M deal last summer.

The Bucks will be making the best trade for themselves, and a package centered around Adebayo from Miami is about as good as they can expect, imo. It has nothing to do with their guards, although it helps that Rollins looks like a stud and the Bucks won't have to worry about paying him until 2027. And given the Bucks are paying Lillard $22M/year for the next 5 years, they're going to need serviceable players on cheap contracts.

The Bucks aren't a FA destination, so to have Adebayo locked up through 27-28 would be perfect since it happens to coincide with Turner's contract (both guys have PO for 28-29). Jovic would give them a young replacement for Portis and he's on an MLE deal similar to Portis's. Jakucionis would give them a project to replace their veteran guards (Trent Jr, G Harris, A Coffey) and possibly Porter Jr if he opts out next summer.

[Beenie]

SA can put either Castle or Harper and a trove of picks in the deal

And their "filler" players for salary matching are pretty good too

But would Giannis wanna go to the West or even San Antonio tho?

We'll see

Wemby and Fox blowing him up on facetime for certain

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No, the Bucks would be building around Rollins at guard ($4M next year and a PO in 2 years). AJ Green and Porter Jr are good players on team-friendly deals (Porter Jr has a $5M player option next year and Green will start a 4-year, $45M deal next year). Turner and Adebayo would be one of the best defensive frontcourts in the league.

The only offers I can see being better than what I suggested would be OKC offering Chet, Dieng, and some combo of the Clippers' pick, the Utah pick, or some other mix of the gazillion picks they have OR Cleveland offering Mobley and picks.

Rollins is promising and has a very complementary skillset to play along most other guards.

KPJ is not a reason a team decides to do anything. AJ Green is hoping to be a smaller Max Strus.

Love the matter of factness, but I think you're reaching.

I don't get your fixation. Green is their Duncan Robinson/Sam Merrill/Sam Hauser and is locked into a deal like Merrill's and Hauser's (significantly cheaper than Robinson). Porter Jr has put up good numbers in this league and is a low-risk, high reward player for the Bucks. If he works out, great. They were clearly happy enough to give Porter Jr a 2-year, $10M deal last summer.

The Bucks will be making the best trade for themselves, and a package centered around Adebayo from Miami is about as good as they can expect, imo. It has nothing to do with their guards, although it helps that Rollins looks like a stud and the Bucks won't have to worry about paying him until 2027. And given the Bucks are paying Lillard $22M/year for the next 5 years, they're going to need serviceable players on cheap contracts.

The Bucks aren't a FA destination, so to have Adebayo locked up through 27-28 would be perfect since it happens to coincide with Turner's contract (both guys have PO for 28-29). Jovic would give them a young replacement for Portis and he's on an MLE deal similar to Portis's. Jakucionis would give them a project to replace their veteran guards (Trent Jr, G Harris, A Coffey) and possibly Porter Jr if he opts out next summer.

Zero question that offering more value increases odds of acquisition. Miami could offer all of Bam and Ware and Herro for Giannis and Kuzma and guarantee success!

I'm just not buying the rationale that their guard personnel renders Herro of little value to them.

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If true and still true we might be screwed. Time will tell but we’re ahead of them in the standings and haven’t even been healthy. Our organization only cares about winning while the Knicks don’t win anything. We have a WAY better offer as well. Get it done Pat!!!!

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[DayofMourning]

Miami not willing to part with Jovic.

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hmm i hope he doesnt want to play with cabron james and luka

[Enso]

Miami not willing to part with Jovic.

If they include Thanasis and Alex maybe we reconsider

[SA37]

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Rollins is promising and has a very complementary skillset to play along most other guards.

KPJ is not a reason a team decides to do anything. AJ Green is hoping to be a smaller Max Strus.

Love the matter of factness, but I think you're reaching.

I don't get your fixation. Green is their Duncan Robinson/Sam Merrill/Sam Hauser and is locked into a deal like Merrill's and Hauser's (significantly cheaper than Robinson). Porter Jr has put up good numbers in this league and is a low-risk, high reward player for the Bucks. If he works out, great. They were clearly happy enough to give Porter Jr a 2-year, $10M deal last summer.

The Bucks will be making the best trade for themselves, and a package centered around Adebayo from Miami is about as good as they can expect, imo. It has nothing to do with their guards, although it helps that Rollins looks like a stud and the Bucks won't have to worry about paying him until 2027. And given the Bucks are paying Lillard $22M/year for the next 5 years, they're going to need serviceable players on cheap contracts.

The Bucks aren't a FA destination, so to have Adebayo locked up through 27-28 would be perfect since it happens to coincide with Turner's contract (both guys have PO for 28-29). Jovic would give them a young replacement for Portis and he's on an MLE deal similar to Portis's. Jakucionis would give them a project to replace their veteran guards (Trent Jr, G Harris, A Coffey) and possibly Porter Jr if he opts out next summer.

Zero question that offering more value increases odds of acquisition. Miami could offer all of Bam and Ware and Herro for Giannis and Kuzma and guarantee success!

I'm just not buying the rationale that their guard personnel renders Herro of little value to them.

So the biggest issue is that other teams will offer better players than Herro.

The next issue is Herro needs an extension, which would be a big decision for the Bucks. The league is FULL of good guards, and good guards are plenty available or will be soon (Morant, T Young, Q Grimes, C White, Z Lavine, CJ McCollum). Hell, Miami traded for a guy in Powell who is arguably better than Herro, and he'll potentially be available as a FA.

The next issue is Herro is a less valuable asset than Bam, which means Miami would have to include more players/picks to get Giannis. If Miami had to give up a package that looked anything like what Wiltside said, Miami would have absolutely no depth and would be required to re-sign Powell and Wiggins just to keep the starting 5 together and then they'd need to go out and find another 2-4 rotation players with presumably not a whole lot of money.

Lastly, I think a Bam/Giannis frontcourt is a questionable mix.

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[Enso]

The only thing I could see holding him back from choosing Miami is maybe he still sees us as that rival in the east that caused him so many problems. If he held that kind of competitive grudge could you really fault him ? lol

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So for now Miami is limited to 2 1sts. I suppose Miami could also offer swaps here.

Unless the Bucks think the world of Ware, I don't see a Herro, Ware, 2 1sts as being anywhere near enough to get a deal done.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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I don't get your fixation. Green is their Duncan Robinson/Sam Merrill/Sam Hauser and is locked into a deal like Merrill's and Hauser's (significantly cheaper than Robinson). Porter Jr has put up good numbers in this league and is a low-risk, high reward player for the Bucks. If he works out, great. They were clearly happy enough to give Porter Jr a 2-year, $10M deal last summer.

The Bucks will be making the best trade for themselves, and a package centered around Adebayo from Miami is about as good as they can expect, imo. It has nothing to do with their guards, although it helps that Rollins looks like a stud and the Bucks won't have to worry about paying him until 2027. And given the Bucks are paying Lillard $22M/year for the next 5 years, they're going to need serviceable players on cheap contracts.

The Bucks aren't a FA destination, so to have Adebayo locked up through 27-28 would be perfect since it happens to coincide with Turner's contract (both guys have PO for 28-29). Jovic would give them a young replacement for Portis and he's on an MLE deal similar to Portis's. Jakucionis would give them a project to replace their veteran guards (Trent Jr, G Harris, A Coffey) and possibly Porter Jr if he opts out next summer.

Zero question that offering more value increases odds of acquisition. Miami could offer all of Bam and Ware and Herro for Giannis and Kuzma and guarantee success!

I'm just not buying the rationale that their guard personnel renders Herro of little value to them.

So the biggest issue is that other teams will offer better players than Herro.

The next issue is Herro needs an extension, which would be a big decision for the Bucks. The league is FULL of good guards, and good guards are plenty available or will be soon (Morant, T Young, Q Grimes, C White, Z Lavine, CJ McCollum). Hell, Miami traded for a guy in Powell who is arguably better than Herro, and he'll potentially be available as a FA.

The next issue is Herro is a less valuable asset than Bam, which means Miami would have to include more players/picks to get Giannis. If Miami had to give up a package that looked anything like what Wiltside said, Miami would have absolutely no depth and would be required to re-sign Powell and Wiggins just to keep the starting 5 together and then they'd need to go out and find another 2-4 rotation players with presumably not a whole lot of money.

Lastly, I think a Bam/Giannis frontcourt is a questionable mix.

Curious what worries you about the Bam/Giannis after seeing what the Bam/Jimmy pairing did for us? Keep in mind Bam is a better and more willing shooter now than either he or Jimmy were back then and Giannis actually matches Bams motor

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So for now Miami is limited to 2 1sts. I suppose Miami could also offer swaps here.

Unless the Bucks think the world of Ware, I don't see a Herro, Ware, 2 1sts as being anywhere near enough to get a deal done.

nope i wouldnt want to part the future true center of the franchise. bam is another story though, what bam does giannis does better

[Enso]

Bam and Giannis 3 years ago was a question mark in terms of spacing, with Bam becoming a 3 point shooter that ship has sailed

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So for now Miami is limited to 2 1sts. I suppose Miami could also offer swaps here.

Unless the Bucks think the world of Ware, I don't see a Herro, Ware, 2 1sts as being anywhere near enough to get a deal done.

Wiggins could be routed for a 1st if necessary to the Lakers. Don’t forget Jaime and KJ as well as any swaps and 2nds