2025 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread

[Tim_Hardawayy]

On the one hand never want to see anyone go down to injury like that.

On the other, at least this makes this easier instead of having to hear all the complaints people will have for various reasons whether we get him and give up a million pieces, or somebody else does and they blame our front office. Also the irony of someone being a player fan of a role player, then commenting on role players new team and talking about how players with more trade value than said role player are worthless and should be gladly dumped for Giannis with zero second thoughts. There's a little truth to it, but the lack of self awareness is kinda... well, anyways.

[Flash4thewin]

Giannis..... Bucks will get better deals unless Heat offer something including Bam.

Chris Paul... no thanks. Heat need a big other than Bam and Ware. Although I guess if roster was gutted for Giannis then Paul would potentially make

It all depends on what Paul wants but I would love to have him here to help coach up our guards. SGA has credited Paul for helping his game expand and make the game easier for him. Just imagine what Paul could do for Herro, Powell and Mitchell. This is a low cost (heck even hire him as a coach if he is done with playing) high reward move.

Do you mean what he could do on the court or what he could do from a teaching (coaching) perspective? As you mentioned, I could see the teaching. But, I don't see how he'd help in a game at this point.

Teaching and coaching, not actual in game performance.

[Wiltside]

Davion doing silly chit tonight

[greg4012]

Spoiler:

I don't get your fixation. Green is their Duncan Robinson/Sam Merrill/Sam Hauser and is locked into a deal like Merrill's and Hauser's (significantly cheaper than Robinson). Porter Jr has put up good numbers in this league and is a low-risk, high reward player for the Bucks. If he works out, great. They were clearly happy enough to give Porter Jr a 2-year, $10M deal last summer.

The Bucks will be making the best trade for themselves, and a package centered around Adebayo from Miami is about as good as they can expect, imo. It has nothing to do with their guards, although it helps that Rollins looks like a stud and the Bucks won't have to worry about paying him until 2027. And given the Bucks are paying Lillard $22M/year for the next 5 years, they're going to need serviceable players on cheap contracts.

The Bucks aren't a FA destination, so to have Adebayo locked up through 27-28 would be perfect since it happens to coincide with Turner's contract (both guys have PO for 28-29). Jovic would give them a young replacement for Portis and he's on an MLE deal similar to Portis's. Jakucionis would give them a project to replace their veteran guards (Trent Jr, G Harris, A Coffey) and possibly Porter Jr if he opts out next summer.

Zero question that offering more value increases odds of acquisition. Miami could offer all of Bam and Ware and Herro for Giannis and Kuzma and guarantee success!

I'm just not buying the rationale that their guard personnel renders Herro of little value to them.

So the biggest issue is that other teams will offer better players than Herro.

The next issue is Herro needs an extension, which would be a big decision for the Bucks. The league is FULL of good guards, and good guards are plenty available or will be soon (Morant, T Young, Q Grimes, C White, Z Lavine, CJ McCollum). Hell, Miami traded for a guy in Powell who is arguably better than Herro, and he'll potentially be available as a FA.

The next issue is Herro is a less valuable asset than Bam, which means Miami would have to include more players/picks to get Giannis. If Miami had to give up a package that looked anything like what Wiltside said, Miami would have absolutely no depth and would be required to re-sign Powell and Wiggins just to keep the starting 5 together and then they'd need to go out and find another 2-4 rotation players with presumably not a whole lot of money.

Lastly, I think a Bam/Giannis frontcourt is a questionable mix.

You're pretty much completely wrong on the bolded IMO. The rest is reasonable but I'm not a huge fan of trading everything just to max out as the 2023-2025 Bucks (your proposal). Maybe someone else offers more and gets Giannis. That's OK.

[MartyCONLONNN]

Heat starting to stack consistent poor efforts against teams. Other than Clippers (who everyone is kicking their a**), it's been ugly. A little concerned about Norm being injury prone + clearly Herro has jammed up the offense and him disappearing for an entire half is embarrassing. Other than having a sustained and reliable coach and playing alongside Bam, I'm not sure why we'd be a better option than Knicks, Spurs, Rockets and Lakers for Giannis. We are the worst option considering the talent we'd have to give up and our miserable shooting around him.

[twix2500]

Jovic failing is wearing Wiggins out

[Shewasfly]

I think you trade Bam in a Giannis trade so that you DON'T have to give up a lot of depth to get him. I don't understand the trades proposed where you give up Bam + the whole farm. I also don't understand the people saying they would not trade Bam for Giannis. Lmao I would do that yesterday. Not because Bam is horrible, before the tears start. But because you are essentially trading Bam for Bam x100.

Bam + Wiggins + picks

Leaves you with

Davion-Herro-Powell-Giannis-Ware and still a solid bench rotation of JJJ, Larsson, Dru Smith, Simone

If it's centered around Herro, you pretty much have to give him, Ware, and JJJ up as a bare minimum, and then try to make the salaries match.

(If it helps, I don't think Milwaukee would do either).

[Daffy]

On another note. Looking at where we are now was passing on KD the right move? We landed Powell. I know he isn't as good overall as KD is but his scoring has been up there with KDs for us. We basically got that KD scoring punch we wanted for way cheaper.

Also for the most part is it safe to say Davion basically giving us what we lost in Lowry before Lowry fully fell off that cliff for us?

[Crazy-Canuck]

On another note. Looking at where we are now was passing on KD the right move? We landed Powell. I know he isn't as good overall as KD is but his scoring has been up there with KDs for us. We basically got that KD scoring punch we wanted for way cheaper.

Also for the most part is it safe to say Davion basically giving us what we lost in Lowry before Lowry fully fell off that cliff for us?

But they need to deal with real contact issues for next year.

Herro extension.
Powell extension.
Jaime extension

And then you have the wiggins opt out and jovics 16M kicking in which are a concern, but less of a concern compared to the top 3.

They will need to do something regardless.

[Daffy]

On another note. Looking at where we are now was passing on KD the right move? We landed Powell. I know he isn't as good overall as KD is but his scoring has been up there with KDs for us. We basically got that KD scoring punch we wanted for way cheaper.

Also for the most part is it safe to say Davion basically giving us what we lost in Lowry before Lowry fully fell off that cliff for us?

But they need to deal with real contact issues for next year.

Herro extension.
Powell extension.
Jaime extension

And then you have the wiggins opt out and jovics 16M kicking in which are a concern, but less of a concern compared to the top 3.

They will need to do something regardless.

That Jovic extension might come back to bite us really soon.

[DayofMourning]

GIANNIS EXITS THE GAME WITH NON CONTACT INJURY

[Daffy]

GIANNIS EXITS THE GAME WITH NON CONTACT INJURY

I don't think it's a major injury. I feel like it would've leaked by now.

[powerball1373]

Read on Twitter

If you could build a team to compete with okc in a 7 game series, this might be it.

Danny Green says we can do it without Herro!

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[SA37]

Wiggins could be routed for a 1st if necessary to the Lakers. Don’t forget Jaime and KJ as well as any swaps and 2nds

I just don't see it.

The Bucks would have to be really high on Herro and get him to agree to an extension before a trade. Then they have to think the world of Ware. Not sure the Lakers would have much of an interest in facilitating Miami getting Giannis.

I mean, how is Morant, Edey, and picks not a better offer? What about T Young, Risacher, and picks? What about D Harper, D Vassell, Sochan, and picks?

Is Morant, Edey and picks a better offer? Morant is averaging 18 a game on 36% fg. Is he really better than Herro in 2025/26? He's a year older than Tyler and has declined on and off the floor the last couple years.

Edey and Ware is largely a wash, but Ware is younger and I would argue has a higher ceiling as a floor spacing big.

When you consider picks and upside, I think it's reasonable to come to that conclusion.

Morant may or may not get back to being an all-NBA, MVP candidate. That is something teams would need to consider. But it is more likely he returns there than Herro ever gets there.

If Miami is limited to 2 1st and Memphis doesn't have these limits -- and they shouldn't given the plethora of picks they got for Bane -- then, yes, I think this Memphis offer is better.

Again, unless Milwaukee is enamored with Ware, Miami will have to gut its roster. I see that as being counterproductive and I'd rather see a smaller package around Bam be sent out.

[SA37]

Wiggins could be routed for a 1st if necessary to the Lakers. Don’t forget Jaime and KJ as well as any swaps and 2nds

I just don't see it.

The Bucks would have to be really high on Herro and get him to agree to an extension before a trade. Then they have to think the world of Ware. Not sure the Lakers would have much of an interest in facilitating Miami getting Giannis.

I mean, how is Morant, Edey, and picks not a better offer? What about T Young, Risacher, and picks? What about D Harper, D Vassell, Sochan, and picks?

You have a strange perception every player you listed lol. Nobody wants Ja. Trae for Giannis makes no sense why would Giannis accept a trade to a Hawks team without Trae. Spurs aren't giving up Harper.

Ware is a high value young piece. Herro literally has more value than Ja right now lol

I think you're wrong about Morant. His value is at a low point, but everyone knows what he is capable of, including Memphis.

Atlanta has been playing better without Trae than with. Atlanta has already shown a reticence to extend Young, just like Miami has with Herro.

The Spurs could replace Castle with Harper or give other picks. They have plenty of combos to come up with a great package.

[SA37]

Spoiler:

Zero question that offering more value increases odds of acquisition. Miami could offer all of Bam and Ware and Herro for Giannis and Kuzma and guarantee success!

I'm just not buying the rationale that their guard personnel renders Herro of little value to them.

So the biggest issue is that other teams will offer better players than Herro.

The next issue is Herro needs an extension, which would be a big decision for the Bucks. The league is FULL of good guards, and good guards are plenty available or will be soon (Morant, T Young, Q Grimes, C White, Z Lavine, CJ McCollum). Hell, Miami traded for a guy in Powell who is arguably better than Herro, and he'll potentially be available as a FA.

The next issue is Herro is a less valuable asset than Bam, which means Miami would have to include more players/picks to get Giannis. If Miami had to give up a package that looked anything like what Wiltside said, Miami would have absolutely no depth and would be required to re-sign Powell and Wiggins just to keep the starting 5 together and then they'd need to go out and find another 2-4 rotation players with presumably not a whole lot of money.

Lastly, I think a Bam/Giannis frontcourt is a questionable mix.

You're pretty much completely wrong on the bolded IMO. The rest is reasonable but I'm not a huge fan of trading everything just to max out as the 2023-2025 Bucks (your proposal). Maybe someone else offers more and gets Giannis. That's OK.

It's one game, but I am howling with laughter as the Bucks lost Giannis after 3 minutes and proceeded to beat the Pistons behind a combined 67 points from KPJ, AJ Green, and Ryan Rollins.

[Trapstar3]

Giannis will have Miami high in his list, this summer after winning bronze with Greece in EuroBasket, he named Bam the toughest guy to play against in the NBA and he also named him in his starting 5.

[twix2500]

Jovic failing is wearing Wiggins out

This needs to be a real discussion. Wiggins is leading the team in minutes as a two-way player on a high 106 pace team. People have to understand that 33 minutes at 106 pace is not equal to 33 minutes on a 98 pace team. And people have to understand that Wiggins is one of the reasons the Heat can play effectively at a high pace. It is exponentially more taxing on a player's body at this pace.
Spo has to have an effective 11-man rotation at this pace. Jovic is hurting that possibility. Spo really needs to start giving Jovic one-on-one attention and finding a way to make him effective. Or eventually, the Heat need to get another player or start infusing Jakučionis.

[greg4012]

So the biggest issue is that other teams will offer better players than Herro.

The next issue is Herro needs an extension, which would be a big decision for the Bucks. The league is FULL of good guards, and good guards are plenty available or will be soon (Morant, T Young, Q Grimes, C White, Z Lavine, CJ McCollum). Hell, Miami traded for a guy in Powell who is arguably better than Herro, and he'll potentially be available as a FA.

The next issue is Herro is a less valuable asset than Bam, which means Miami would have to include more players/picks to get Giannis. If Miami had to give up a package that looked anything like what Wiltside said, Miami would have absolutely no depth and would be required to re-sign Powell and Wiggins just to keep the starting 5 together and then they'd need to go out and find another 2-4 rotation players with presumably not a whole lot of money.

Lastly, I think a Bam/Giannis frontcourt is a questionable mix.

You're pretty much completely wrong on the bolded IMO. The rest is reasonable but I'm not a huge fan of trading everything just to max out as the 2023-2025 Bucks (your proposal). Maybe someone else offers more and gets Giannis. That's OK.

It's one game, but I am howling with laughter as the Bucks lost Giannis after 3 minutes and proceeded to beat the Pistons behind a combined 67 points from KPJ, AJ Green, and Ryan Rollins.

I hope they commit to that build

[greg4012]

I just don't see it.

The Bucks would have to be really high on Herro and get him to agree to an extension before a trade. Then they have to think the world of Ware. Not sure the Lakers would have much of an interest in facilitating Miami getting Giannis.

I mean, how is Morant, Edey, and picks not a better offer? What about T Young, Risacher, and picks? What about D Harper, D Vassell, Sochan, and picks?

You have a strange perception every player you listed lol. Nobody wants Ja. Trae for Giannis makes no sense why would Giannis accept a trade to a Hawks team without Trae. Spurs aren't giving up Harper.

Ware is a high value young piece. Herro literally has more value than Ja right now lol

I think you're wrong about Morant. His value is at a low point, but everyone knows what he is capable of, including Memphis.

Atlanta has been playing better without Trae than with. Atlanta has already shown a reticence to extend Young, just like Miami has with Herro.

The Spurs could replace Castle with Harper or give other picks. They have plenty of combos to come up with a great package.