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[Godaddycurse]

another stupid idea

Dallas out: Flagg/AD
Milwaukee out: Giannis

Dallas does rehab year w/ Giannis/Irving and comes back w/ Irving/Christie/Washington/Giannis/Lively + top 2026 pick
Milwaukee stays competitive w/ Rolllins/Flagg/AD/Turner and builds around Flagg/Rollins long term

Dallas gets Giannis for Luka in a round about way

[brackdan70]

Bucks will trade Giannis involving Hawks somehow. I just don't see how Bucks accept anything without having their picks back.

The only alternative is that Bucks get won now talent back, just don't see how that works for them though long-term.


So any Giannis trade seems wrong if it doesn't involve Hawks somehow, even as 3rd team.

I dont know how the Bucks do it tho. This is a top heavy draft, Pel's will likely finish bottom 5 and Bucks, sans Giannis, will be in the lotto. Being favoured to get top 4 here with 2 chances at 1, thats gonna cost Milwaukee a lot for the Hawks to give up.

Brown to Atlanta
Trae + MIL 2026 1st + BOS picks to milwaukee
Giannis to boston

Needs Tillman to go to ATL as well so Boston doesn’t take back more money, otherwise illegal.
This would be crazy…but theoretically could be done.

[zimpy27]

Why wouldn't Hawks just get Giannis?
Would he not want to play there?

[Klomp]

A lot of chatter that NYK is a preferred destination for Giannis. Why does that matter? Because other East teams will be trying to keep up with them. I think about what the other contending teams will do in response, whether they become sellers or try to make their own big moves.

[CP War Hawks]

The takes are all over the place. Why does Atl give up the pick when the odds from two teams multiple the chance at a top 3 pick. This is OKC stuff the Hawks are building, makes no sense to gut the team for Giannis atp.

[GatorbaitDD]

I dont see Giannis staying in the east if a trade happens

[hugepatsfan]

What would MIL's willingness (eagerness?) be to move Myles Turner if Giannis does get traded? Celtics can offer Simons' expiring deal. Many people people questioned that contract, but part of that might have been factoring in the related dead money charge for Dame. On a go forward basis where Giannis is off the books, not sure how much they'd value moving him or if they'd rather just keep him because he is a good player still. How much additional value would need to be added to an expiring contract for him?

[Scoot McGroot]

What would MIL's willingness (eagerness?) be to move Myles Turner if Giannis does get traded? Celtics can offer Simons' expiring deal. Many people people questioned that contract, but part of that might have been factoring in the related dead money charge for Dame. On a go forward basis where Giannis is off the books, not sure how much they'd value moving him or if they'd rather just keep him because he is a good player still. How much additional value would need to be added to an expiring contract for him?

Gotta aggregate another salary. Myles has a 15% trade kicker that I'm sure he'd fully invoke. Puts his trade number at $29ish million, so a vet minimum gets you there, but complicates things a bit, and just ends up adding salary to Boston's books (when you backfill a vet minimum to replace that roster spot), etc.

But value-wise? I think Milwaukee should be relatively happy to just get off the contract? But, probably depends on what they get back in a Giannis deal. If they get back a bunch of young guards/wings, and no big men, they may really value having Myles/Bobby to stabilize the 4/5 spots a bit.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Why wouldn't Hawks just get Giannis?
Would he not want to play there?

Be surprised if Giannis doesn’t hand pick a team of his choice.

[Godaddycurse]

I dont see Giannis staying in the east if a trade happens

i think its the opposite.

East is closer to athens
West is stacked/much harder to win in

[Godaddycurse]

What would MIL's willingness (eagerness?) be to move Myles Turner if Giannis does get traded? Celtics can offer Simons' expiring deal. Many people people questioned that contract, but part of that might have been factoring in the related dead money charge for Dame. On a go forward basis where Giannis is off the books, not sure how much they'd value moving him or if they'd rather just keep him because he is a good player still. How much additional value would need to be added to an expiring contract for him?

depends if milwaukee is trying to stay afloat without its own picks or tanking outright?

[Bornstellar]

I dont see Giannis staying in the east if a trade happens

i think its the opposite.

East is closer to athens
West is stacked/much harder to win in

The West being harder to win is a valid point but being closer to Athens?? I hope you're not serious about that

[Mavrelous]

I dont see Giannis staying in the east if a trade happens

i think its the opposite.

East is closer to athens
West is stacked/much harder to win in

The West being harder to win is a valid point but being closer to Athens?? I hope you're not serious about that

3-4 hours difference, and if the city isn't a major hub you'll need connection, it is a consideration.

[Godaddycurse]

I dont see Giannis staying in the east if a trade happens

i think its the opposite.

East is closer to athens
West is stacked/much harder to win in

The West being harder to win is a valid point but being closer to Athens?? I hope you're not serious about that

did you see how many more japanese players choose west coast over east coast when given similar amount of $$$ in the MLB?

[hugepatsfan]

What would MIL's willingness (eagerness?) be to move Myles Turner if Giannis does get traded? Celtics can offer Simons' expiring deal. Many people people questioned that contract, but part of that might have been factoring in the related dead money charge for Dame. On a go forward basis where Giannis is off the books, not sure how much they'd value moving him or if they'd rather just keep him because he is a good player still. How much additional value would need to be added to an expiring contract for him?

Gotta aggregate another salary. Myles has a 15% trade kicker that I'm sure he'd fully invoke. Puts his trade number at $29ish million, so a vet minimum gets you there, but complicates things a bit, and just ends up adding salary to Boston's books (when you backfill a vet minimum to replace that roster spot), etc.

But value-wise? I think Milwaukee should be relatively happy to just get off the contract? But, probably depends on what they get back in a Giannis deal. If they get back a bunch of young guards/wings, and no big men, they may really value having Myles/Bobby to stabilize the 4/5 spots a bit.

Ah, good point on the trade kicker. I'm calculating $16,330,272 for the trade kicker based on full value of the deal so spread evenly at $4,082,568 per year would make his cap hit $29,400,819 in a trade. But that's on full value, so maybe the salary he's already been paid this year doesn't count? Would slightly lower those numbers. BOS can easily "match" that without taking back more than they send out by included Tillman. If they salary dumped Hauser, Scheierman in separate deals and then signed 3 rookie pro rated minimum players to backfill (assuming done on deadline day for pro ration calc), I have them juuuuuuuuuuuust ducking under the tax by $4,529.

Pritchard / (White)
White / Hugo Gonzalez
Brown / Jordan Walsh
Tatum / Josh Minott / Boucher
Turner / Queta / Luka Garza

Plus 3 rookie minimum. It's light this year on ballhandlers but based on how Walsh/Minott and Gonzalez to a lesser extent have played as depth guys, that could be a dangerous team if Tatum comes back like he SEEMS on track to do. Most likely though it's more about next year.

Ownership also reportedly is willing to pay the tax this year because they budgeted for it when they bought the team. They didn't expect Tatum to tear an Achilles which makes it an intriguing possibility to duck under, but it's not something they were really planning on when they build their financial models. So reports are the directive is to duck if it's relatively painless, but no need to go crazy doing so. So they could keep Hauser and just stay a little above the 1st apron this year which is reportedly in line with what ownership was originally expecting to pay when they bought the team pre-Tatum injury.

Next year, with Hauser and Scheierman currently on the books they're $29M below the 2nd apron with 11 players signed. So adding Turner at what would be about $30M after the kicker doesn't push them much past the 1st apron. It's not like they go back to a 2nd apron team with this. Line it up how you want but:

White / Pritchard
Brown / Gonzalez
Hauser / Walsh
Tatum / Minott
Turner / Queta

looks like a pretty good 10 man rotation.

[Scoot McGroot]

What would MIL's willingness (eagerness?) be to move Myles Turner if Giannis does get traded? Celtics can offer Simons' expiring deal. Many people people questioned that contract, but part of that might have been factoring in the related dead money charge for Dame. On a go forward basis where Giannis is off the books, not sure how much they'd value moving him or if they'd rather just keep him because he is a good player still. How much additional value would need to be added to an expiring contract for him?

Gotta aggregate another salary. Myles has a 15% trade kicker that I'm sure he'd fully invoke. Puts his trade number at $29ish million, so a vet minimum gets you there, but complicates things a bit, and just ends up adding salary to Boston's books (when you backfill a vet minimum to replace that roster spot), etc.

But value-wise? I think Milwaukee should be relatively happy to just get off the contract? But, probably depends on what they get back in a Giannis deal. If they get back a bunch of young guards/wings, and no big men, they may really value having Myles/Bobby to stabilize the 4/5 spots a bit.

Ah, good point on the trade kicker. I'm calculating $16,330,272 for the trade kicker based on full value of the deal so spread evenly at $4,082,568 per year would make his cap hit $29,400,819 in a trade. But that's on full value, so maybe the salary he's already been paid this year doesn't count?

Correct. It's only a bonus on remaining, unpaid/unearned salary.

Would slightly lower those numbers. BOS can easily "match" that without taking back more than they send out by included Tillman. If they salary dumped Hauser, Scheierman in separate deals and then signed 3 rookie pro rated minimum players to backfill (assuming done on deadline day for pro ration calc), I have them juuuuuuuuuuuust ducking under the tax by $4,529.

Yup. It's mostly just that it adds salary this year, and would require some other larger deals to try and cut costs a bit. Definitely do-able, but a little harder than if he just didn't have a kicker, and could do a straight up Simons for him, and didn't have to worry about backfilling roster spots, etc.

Ownership also reportedly is willing to pay the tax this year because they budgeted for it when they bought the team. They didn't expect Tatum to tear an Achilles which makes it an intriguing possibility to duck under, but it's not something they were really planning on when they build their financial models. So reports are the directive is to duck if it's relatively painless, but no need to go crazy doing so. So they could keep Hauser and just stay a little above the 1st apron this year which is reportedly in line with what ownership was originally expecting to pay when they bought the team pre-Tatum injury.

Next year, with Hauser and Scheierman currently on the books they're $29M below the 2nd apron with 11 players signed. So adding Turner at what would be about $30M after the kicker doesn't push them much past the 1st apron. It's not like they go back to a 2nd apron team with this. Line it up how you want but:

White / Pritchard
Brown / Gonzalez
Hauser / Walsh
Tatum / Minott
Turner / Queta

looks like a pretty good 10 man rotation.

The bench has a lot to prove in terms of repeated, or long-term, effectiveness. Would feel a lot more comfortable attempting a deep run if Hugo, Minott, Walsh, and Queta were more of the 9-12 or even 10-13 guys on the roster instead of 7-10, but that's not insane.

[brackdan70]

Gotta aggregate another salary. Myles has a 15% trade kicker that I'm sure he'd fully invoke. Puts his trade number at $29ish million, so a vet minimum gets you there, but complicates things a bit, and just ends up adding salary to Boston's books (when you backfill a vet minimum to replace that roster spot), etc.

But value-wise? I think Milwaukee should be relatively happy to just get off the contract? But, probably depends on what they get back in a Giannis deal. If they get back a bunch of young guards/wings, and no big men, they may really value having Myles/Bobby to stabilize the 4/5 spots a bit.

Ah, good point on the trade kicker. I'm calculating $16,330,272 for the trade kicker based on full value of the deal so spread evenly at $4,082,568 per year would make his cap hit $29,400,819 in a trade. But that's on full value, so maybe the salary he's already been paid this year doesn't count?

Correct. It's only a bonus on remaining, unpaid/unearned salary.

Would slightly lower those numbers. BOS can easily "match" that without taking back more than they send out by included Tillman. If they salary dumped Hauser, Scheierman in separate deals and then signed 3 rookie pro rated minimum players to backfill (assuming done on deadline day for pro ration calc), I have them juuuuuuuuuuuust ducking under the tax by $4,529.

Yup. It's mostly just that it adds salary this year, and would require some other larger deals to try and cut costs a bit. Definitely do-able, but a little harder than if he just didn't have a kicker, and could do a straight up Simons for him, and didn't have to worry about backfilling roster spots, etc.

Ownership also reportedly is willing to pay the tax this year because they budgeted for it when they bought the team. They didn't expect Tatum to tear an Achilles which makes it an intriguing possibility to duck under, but it's not something they were really planning on when they build their financial models. So reports are the directive is to duck if it's relatively painless, but no need to go crazy doing so. So they could keep Hauser and just stay a little above the 1st apron this year which is reportedly in line with what ownership was originally expecting to pay when they bought the team pre-Tatum injury.

Next year, with Hauser and Scheierman currently on the books they're $29M below the 2nd apron with 11 players signed. So adding Turner at what would be about $30M after the kicker doesn't push them much past the 1st apron. It's not like they go back to a 2nd apron team with this. Line it up how you want but:

White / Pritchard
Brown / Gonzalez
Hauser / Walsh
Tatum / Minott
Turner / Queta

looks like a pretty good 10 man rotation.

The bench has a lot to prove in terms of repeated, or long-term, effectiveness. Would feel a lot more comfortable attempting a deep run if Hugo, Minott, Walsh, and Queta were more of the 9-12 or even 10-13 guys on the roster instead of 7-10, but that's not insane.[/quote]
Let’s do it!!!

[zimpy27]

I dont see Giannis staying in the east if a trade happens

i think its the opposite.

East is closer to athens
West is stacked/much harder to win in

The West being harder to win is a valid point but being closer to Athens?? I hope you're not serious about that

I think it's a factor, as someone who lived in US but was from another country. You do think about staying in cities you can get home quickly from if something were to happen.

But also, I think Giannis wants to go somewhere with a large Greek community.

Largest communities with NBA teams:

New York/Brooklyn
Orlando
Chicago
Boston
Toronto

I honestly think he will be traded to one of these 6 teams.

[brackdan70]

i think its the opposite.

East is closer to athens
West is stacked/much harder to win in

The West being harder to win is a valid point but being closer to Athens?? I hope you're not serious about that

I think it's a factor, as someone who lived in US but was from another country. You do think about staying in cities you can get home quickly from if something were to happen.

Boston, NY, Newark, Chicago, DC, ATL, are the US cities with direct flights to Athens.
Not sure how big of a factor that would be.

[oldncreaky]

i think its the opposite.

East is closer to athens
West is stacked/much harder to win in

The West being harder to win is a valid point but being closer to Athens?? I hope you're not serious about that

I think it's a factor, as someone who lived in US but was from another country. You do think about staying in cities you can get home quickly from if something were to happen.

I'd be expecting anyone in Giannis' income bracket to fly by private jet, which would make the departure point mostly irrelevant, but if you're flying commercial then NY, Boston, Philly and Toronto would have the best connectivity.

For the opportunity to win: NYK, BOS, CLE would be best

For a city with a Greek community over 100K he'd be looking at NY or TOR, with CHI being the next largest.


So . . . NYK is the one that checks all the boxes