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Re: The 2025 Rookie Class 

Post#581 » by doclinkin » Mon Dec 1, 2025 3:37 pm

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nate33 wrote:I think the next few weeks will be real interesting for Queen. He has no doubt been exceptional on offense, and the on/off numbers suggest he hasn't been killing them on defense either. But now that he has emerged as a legitimate threat to opposing teams, I expect teams to actually strategize how to counter him. Which likely means they will try and attack him on defense.

I've noticed his on/off differential is starting to decline and the last couple of games were negative. This could be merely an aberration, or it could be the start of a new trend.


Since I posted this 3 days ago, Queen has played twice.

@GSW, he posted 2 pts 3 rebs, 0 asts on 1/3 FG and 0/0 FT. He was -17 in 16 mins. His team was +9 without him on the floor
@LAL, he posted 13 pts 7 rebs, 4 asts on 3/11 FG and 7/8 FT. He was -22 in 28 mins. His team was +10 without him on the floor

It is just as I predicted. The scouting report has come out on Queen. Offenses are attacking him and New Orleans is struggling because of it. This is not hating. It's a good sign that Queen became such a threat that teams started worrying about him. Now the question is, will Queen be able to adapt?


Your point mostly stands. just pointing out he had 15 points on 4/12 shooting and 7/8 from the free throw line. 4 assists and 1 turnover is a big improvement He is a rookie though and I think he could improve on his defense like Jokic and Sengun who were also poor defenders. I also want to see him raise his 3 point percentage which right now is his biggest weakness IMO (this would open up his offensive game a lot more) but as he's a decent free throw shooter who gets to the line at a high rate is encouraging for a rookie for his chances to improve.


I maintain DQs success is largely dependent on his willingness to work on his body. If his mobility stamina and strength improve then maybe he won’t be lax on defensive positioning etc. If attackers bounce off him then he won’t mind putting himself in front of a charge. I think he’ll like being able to bully and assert himself as he gets stronger. Any player that puts up high assist ratios is a guy who sees the floor well. He can apply those smarts in defense by filling lanes forcing players out of position cutting off angles and stuffing drives before they even get in the paint. That’s the reason that centers who grew up playing soccer are so good on defense. Not just footwork balance and mobility but angles and anticipation.

DQ is smart enough to make the reads. His hands are good. Vision is great. He’s just lax on D. Lazy.

That will get him benched and demotivated. And at that point the food in New Orleans will be seductive enough to bury your sorrows in calories. What’s the point why bother.

But if DQ works conditioning stamina and strength everything else follows. He won’t conserve energy on the hard part of the court. Will turn defense into offense via stops and outlet breaks or handling on steals and rebounds. Tough to do considering he started the year injured. But all summer he should be in the pool for low impact cardio and doing yoga for flexibility and in the weight room building core strength and working on his legs.
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Re: The 2025 Rookie Class 

Post#582 » by Kanyewest » Mon Dec 1, 2025 8:05 pm

A 2024 rookie and now sophomore but Edey dropped 32 against the Kings.
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Re: The 2025 Rookie Class 

Post#583 » by Kanyewest » Wed Dec 3, 2025 6:24 pm

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Re: The 2025 Rookie Class 

Post#584 » by dckingsfan » Wed Dec 3, 2025 7:16 pm

Kanyewest wrote:Updated rookie ladder

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-dec-3-2025

Kon, Flagg, Fears, Coward and Queen are the first 5

VJ, Bailey, Kalkbrenner, Demin and Nembhard round out the top 10.

Tre is off the ladder since he isn't playing and Harper should climb now that he is playing.
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Re: The 2025 Rookie Class 

Post#585 » by dckingsfan » Wed Dec 3, 2025 7:19 pm

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Since I posted this 3 days ago, Queen has played twice.

@GSW, he posted 2 pts 3 rebs, 0 asts on 1/3 FG and 0/0 FT. He was -17 in 16 mins. His team was +9 without him on the floor
@LAL, he posted 13 pts 7 rebs, 4 asts on 3/11 FG and 7/8 FT. He was -22 in 28 mins. His team was +10 without him on the floor

It is just as I predicted. The scouting report has come out on Queen. Offenses are attacking him and New Orleans is struggling because of it. This is not hating. It's a good sign that Queen became such a threat that teams started worrying about him. Now the question is, will Queen be able to adapt?


Your point mostly stands. just pointing out he had 15 points on 4/12 shooting and 7/8 from the free throw line. 4 assists and 1 turnover is a big improvement He is a rookie though and I think he could improve on his defense like Jokic and Sengun who were also poor defenders. I also want to see him raise his 3 point percentage which right now is his biggest weakness IMO (this would open up his offensive game a lot more) but as he's a decent free throw shooter who gets to the line at a high rate is encouraging for a rookie for his chances to improve.


I maintain DQs success is largely dependent on his willingness to work on his body. If his mobility stamina and strength improve then maybe he won’t be lax on defensive positioning etc. If attackers bounce off him then he won’t mind putting himself in front of a charge. I think he’ll like being able to bully and assert himself as he gets stronger. Any player that puts up high assist ratios is a guy who sees the floor well. He can apply those smarts in defense by filling lanes forcing players out of position cutting off angles and stuffing drives before they even get in the paint. That’s the reason that centers who grew up playing soccer are so good on defense. Not just footwork balance and mobility but angles and anticipation.

DQ is smart enough to make the reads. His hands are good. Vision is great. He’s just lax on D. Lazy.

That will get him benched and demotivated. And at that point the food in New Orleans will be seductive enough to bury your sorrows in calories. What’s the point why bother.

But if DQ works conditioning stamina and strength everything else follows. He won’t conserve energy on the hard part of the court. Will turn defense into offense via stops and outlet breaks or handling on steals and rebounds. Tough to do considering he started the year injured. But all summer he should be in the pool for low impact cardio and doing yoga for flexibility and in the weight room building core strength and working on his legs.

I think you are spot on - I will add one more thing. For him to be truly effective at the top of the key - he needs to be able to hit the 3 ball as well.

But your point stands. If he commits to the defensive end, he will be fine. Otherwise, not so much.
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Re: The 2025 Rookie Class 

Post#586 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Yesterday 6:46 am

Queen is highly ineffective whenever Fears is on the court with him.
Queen has been a net negative except when Alvarado has been at PG,

Right now, his on/off scores look bad.
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Re: The 2025 Rookie Class 

Post#587 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Yesterday 6:50 am

Maxime Raynaud looks like he will become an offensive juggernaut. I think he will appear on the rookie ladder top-10 if he starts getting proper minutes. Maxime Raynaud is a big-time scorer.

Most of us wanted him in round 2 when he came out of Stanford. IMHO it was inexplicable that Raynaud slipped that far.
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Re: The 2025 Rookie Class 

Post#588 » by closg00 » Yesterday 7:18 am

I doubt the Wizards would have taken him, but damn if he wasn’t nabbed with the pick right before us, I really wanted Maxime badly.
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Re: The 2025 Rookie Class 

Post#589 » by closg00 » Yesterday 11:02 am

I think the Suns had a great draft with Maluach, Fleming, and Brea, their G League team had a rough start, but they are gelling now.
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Post#590 » by doclinkin » Yesterday 11:49 am

Yeah they got the two guys I wanted most in Maluach and Rasheer. Oh well.
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Re: The 2025 Rookie Class 

Post#591 » by AFM » Yesterday 12:53 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Queen is highly ineffective whenever Fears is on the court with him.
Queen has been a net negative except when Alvarado has been at PG,

Right now, his on/off scores look bad.


Zion just got injured. This is Queen's opportunity IMO.
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Re: The 2025 Rookie Class 

Post#592 » by payitforward » Yesterday 4:03 pm

doclinkin wrote:Yeah they got the two guys I wanted most in Maluach and Rasheer. Oh well.

As you will recall, I was hoping we could trade w/ Brooklyn -- our 6 & 19 for their 8, 26 & 27 -- Maluach, Fleming, &... Danny Wolf :) ??
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Re: The 2025 Rookie Class 

Post#593 » by Kanyewest » Yesterday 9:23 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Queen is highly ineffective whenever Fears is on the court with him.
Queen has been a net negative except when Alvarado has been at PG,

Right now, his on/off scores look bad.


It could get better over time. IE Fears did an effective pick and roll that gave Queen what would have been the game winning bucket. The Pelicans forced a stopped and then Alvarado gave it up a turnover that lead to the game tying basket that went to overtime.

Interesting that the Pelicans decided to give Queen the ball with a few seconds left. Trey Murphy had a great game but either the Timberwolves game planned effectively, or Murphy wasn't aggressive enough in the OT period until the game was out of reach (I believe Murphy scored 5-6 points when the game was essentially over in OT. Queen in the meantime was more assertive with Rudy Gobert guarding him and there was a period where the Timberwolves took Gobert to improve their lineup.

Queen missed a couple of free throws, Fears missed 1, there were too many turnovers. Otherwise there is a chance we would be more glowingly positive of Queen's performance 21 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, and a steal (off of Anthony Edwards). But the OT period whee the Wolves were outscored by 7 left him at -17 instead of -8 or better if Alvarado didn't turn it over.

Hopefully Queen can knock down 3s as well. His only 2 3 point makes this season have come against Wemby and Jokic.
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Re: The 2025 Rookie Class 

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Re: The 2025 Rookie Class 

Post#595 » by pcbothwel » Yesterday 9:46 pm

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To me, Coward becomes a Norman Powell type as floor, with a very clear path to being a Bane type, if not more.
The other guy that people are just missing is Danny Wolf. Are people watching the same tape I am? KAT, Dirk, Divac, Jokic... not sure who else can create such a variety of shots and looks for teammates from the perimeter at his size (7'0 250lbs).

Coward and Wolf, and to a lesser extent Sorber, are so clearly undervalued that I cant wrap my head around it.
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Re: The 2025 Rookie Class 

Post#596 » by tontoz » Yesterday 10:32 pm

It might be a little early to take a victory lap on Wolf. Through 7 games he has 1 block, no steals and is shooting 44% on 2s. I doubt his 47% from 3 is sustainable.

His assist to turnover ratio isn't wowing me either.
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Re: The 2025 Rookie Class 

Post#597 » by Dat2U » Today 5:54 am

tontoz wrote:It might be a little early to take a victory lap on Wolf. Through 7 games he has 1 block, no steals and is shooting 44% on 2s. I doubt his 47% from 3 is sustainable.

His assist to turnover ratio isn't wowing me either.


True but 17, 9 & 3 in 28 mins (+7) in a 13 pt loss. He's definitely "flashing" and their mostly using him at PF which seems to be working right now.
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Re: The 2025 Rookie Class 

Post#598 » by closg00 » Today 3:19 pm

Pelicans' Rookie Duo Quickly Becoming Must-See TV

They’ve had some heartbreaking close losses recently, but they keep improving, Fears is climbing.
https://www.si.com/nba/pelicans/onsi/editorial/pelicans-rookie-duo-quickly-becoming-must-see-tv-01kbp9wfs1mz
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Re: The 2025 Rookie Class 

Post#599 » by nate33 » Today 3:24 pm

Dat2U wrote:
tontoz wrote:It might be a little early to take a victory lap on Wolf. Through 7 games he has 1 block, no steals and is shooting 44% on 2s. I doubt his 47% from 3 is sustainable.

His assist to turnover ratio isn't wowing me either.


True but 17, 9 & 3 in 28 mins (+7) in a 13 pt loss. He's definitely "flashing" and their mostly using him at PF which seems to be working right now.

Yeah, and things will get real interesting when he gets stronger and can do those things from the center position.
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Post#600 » by tontoz » Today 5:01 pm

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