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Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9

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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1841 » by tdotrep2 » Yesterday 6:57 pm

pingpongrac wrote:The addition of Ingram has really unlocked a new beast in Scottie. We are seeing, by far, the best two-way play of his career thus far while his scoring in particular has been very efficient. I still think he could be a bit more aggressive with his own offence at times — especially without RJ — but it’s hard to complain about a guy putting up 20/8/5 on 60 TS% while arguably being the best (healthy) defender in the entire league. Hopefully he can keep it up because it has been very fun to watch and he is the main reason why we’ve got off to such a good start.

as much as I love scottie, he's always needed at alpha scorer. Ingram is really nice for him, but a guy like Ant... Ant/Scottie pairing would be insane
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1842 » by HiJiNX » Yesterday 7:02 pm

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HiJiNX wrote:Just rewatched the Portland game and man I’m glad the team let Barnes experiment last year. All those reps that looked ugly because the finish wasn’t there? They’re starting to pay off. We’ve always know he sees the floor well as a passer and defender, but now the game is slowing down for him as a scorer. He did nothing rushed against Portland. He was in rhythm. He decisively attacked space. He waited for space to appear. He saw the help and countered it rather than running into it. I believe him when he says he’s been watching a lot of film. You can definitely see it in his process.

You’re also starting to see the ability to get by his man with better footwork and angles (something I alluded to as an improvable skill the other day). The growth is coming rapidly. The fourth year leap that happens for most all-star players is happening in his fifth (well I’d argue it started last year before the injuries).

Also worth noting is that against Portland our clutch possessions yielded much better shots when Barnes touched the ball as opposed to when we tried to force an Ingram iso. He got Yak a couple layups and had a hockey assist to Shead which became the Shead assist to Ingram. He did miss a wide open midrange he created for himself after an aggressive dribble into space off the catch. Loved the move. He’s going to start cashing those next season (or maybe later in this one).

My original prediction for Barnes when he was a rookie is he would be a superstar and be an MVP candidate in his prime. If he continues on this growth trajectory I think that prediction becomes a reality. The process this year has been amazing and you can see him starting to believe.


it was tough reading the complaints about the way he was playing, both the staff and scottie knew what they were doing. He's unlocked a midrange game from last season which is showing.

It was only tough for me because…well I’m a damn good talent evaluator. Of course I can be wrong but… I know what I’m seeing. Other folks just weren’t seeing it because of their unwillingness to apply context to their analysis. And maybe they also just don’t understand how intangibles like processing speed and willpower/seizing the moment impact a player’s results.

What separates superstars from everyone else is their ability to process the game and make the right decisions as they align with their skills, abilities, and team needs. Scottie was definitely behind on the skills portion but the other stuff he had in spades from day one. And he gets better when his team needs momentum, something that was clear in college if you actually watched tape. He has the ability to will teams to another level. He can go out there and dominate a quarter in such a way that he can win you a game. This whole time I’ve been saying the same thing — he needs to improve at things that are highly improvable and have proven to be improvable by NBA players while they’re in the league. It was weird to expect that he wouldn’t improve on skills. Like…Scottie lacked very basic fundamentals. It was wild to think he wouldn’t be able to…lower his dribble or make an open 15 footer. Etc etc. His skill development was so far behind his mind and body, and he was already able to do so much with just instincts and physical gifts, that it was easy to see that any reasonable skill development would amplify his gifts toward stardom.

On the flip side, there are probably players in high school, college, and overseas who dribble and shoot better than Scottie, have height, and can jump out the gym…but they don’t process well enough to be anything more than an amateur or lower level pro. Scottie’s processing is top 10 in the NBA. All he’s needed were for his skills to catch up. And even that process isn’t even close to complete yet.

Anyway, I’m just glad he’s putting it together and people are finally seeing it.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1843 » by tsherkin » Yesterday 7:19 pm

HiJiNX wrote:Anyway, I’m just glad he’s putting it together and people are finally seeing it.


I think there's much to be said for putting him in position to play a certain way, with the right kind of support and the right kind of load and possession types, too. He's obviously continuing to work, and he obviously has some particular strengths. And we are now effectively leveraging those. We'll see what happens with his 3, FT shooting and long jumper over the season, but he looks great all over right now and it is awesome to see him kind of rocking it at either end.

The confidence and assertiveness he's showing at times is probably the most remarkable thing for me, because that's been lacking quite often prior to this season. He looks.. comfortable. And that's really good. I think having Ingram, regardless of his present performance and our over-usage of his isos, it wonderfully helpful in allowing Scottie to do his thing. Same same with Quick spacing, and the way RJ has been able to play. Barnes has never had this much passing support, nor this much room to move, and he's clearly buying into how he should be playing inside those parameters, and slowly feeling out where he can expand a bit.

And it's fun to watch!
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

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