2025 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread

[Tim_Hardawayy]

I criticize players on my team just like everyone else does,

OK so no bitching the next time someone points out Julius Randle had a better playoffs last year than arguably Bam has ever, deal?

Did it all the way to getting swept, if no defense and shot chucking is your thing (sounds similar) then he’s your guy! We’re more focused on playing winning basketball over here

Dude what are you even talking about, "we" you aren't in the front office

Also go through my post history if you want. I'm not trying to brag but I've been right about a lot more than I've been wrong. I just got a random and-1 the other day on a post I made in like 2009 for the draft thread claiming Hasheem Thabeet would be a bust. If I thought Herro was worthless I'd say so, I think he's flawed and has value but that's not good enough for some, it has to either be get rid of him or he's the one. Look, Dwyane Wade's not walking through that locker room, and Bam, he ain't that guy either as much as I love him. So we're going to need to utilize some combination of flawed players until "him" arrives.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Tim_Hardawayy]

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Bam, Herro and Wiggins is an awful lot of money going out

I dont think they did the match when drawing up this idea

Bill Simmons used to be a cap guru who knew how to draw up fantasy trades back when he did page 2. He's gotten a lot lazier (though I get why), now he just throws **** out there. Which to be honest, I couldn't do all the cap math now either.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

OK so no bitching the next time someone points out Julius Randle had a better playoffs last year than arguably Bam has ever, deal?

Did it all the way to getting swept, if no defense and shot chucking is your thing (sounds similar) then he’s your guy! We’re more focused on playing winning basketball over here

Dude what are you even talking about, "we" you aren't in the front office

Also go through my post history if you want. I'm not trying to brag but I've been right about a lot more than I've been wrong. I just got a random and-1 the other day on a post I made in like 2009 for the draft thread claiming Hasheem Thabeet would be a bust. If I thought Herro was worthless I'd say so, I think he's flawed and has value but that's not good enough for some, it has to either be get rid of him or he's the one. Look, Dwyane Wade's not walking through that locker room, and Bam, he ain't that guy either as much as I love him. So we're going to need to utilize some combination of flawed players until "him" arrives.

Now your just nitpicking you never say “we” or “us” or anything when discussing the Heat?! Even if not, you know that was a petty comeback

I think you’re pretty smart, I don’t think Tyler is a complete bum either. I just don’t think he’s a winning player, he plays little to no defense, and he’s always injured. I think we’re far better off trading him in some do the recent talks going on. We’ve all been right, hence my initial post you responded to, we’ve all been wrong.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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This is interesting and has a a big impact on trade discussions if true, I just have a hard time believing the entire league would hold out on trading several picks for star players. We just saw Bane go for 4 1sts

[greg4012]

I criticize players on my team just like everyone else does,

OK so no bitching the next time someone points out Julius Randle had a better playoffs last year than arguably Bam has ever, deal?

21 6 and 5 while playing mediocre defense and losing 4-1 in conference finals? Hard nah.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Did it all the way to getting swept, if no defense and shot chucking is your thing (sounds similar) then he’s your guy! We’re more focused on playing winning basketball over here

Dude what are you even talking about, "we" you aren't in the front office

Also go through my post history if you want. I'm not trying to brag but I've been right about a lot more than I've been wrong. I just got a random and-1 the other day on a post I made in like 2009 for the draft thread claiming Hasheem Thabeet would be a bust. If I thought Herro was worthless I'd say so, I think he's flawed and has value but that's not good enough for some, it has to either be get rid of him or he's the one. Look, Dwyane Wade's not walking through that locker room, and Bam, he ain't that guy either as much as I love him. So we're going to need to utilize some combination of flawed players until "him" arrives.

Now your just nitpicking you never say “we” or “us” or anything when discussing the Heat?! Even if not, you know that was a petty comeback

I think you’re pretty smart, I don’t think Tyler is a complete bum either. I just don’t think he’s a winning player, he plays little to no defense, and he’s always injured. I think we’re far better off trading him in some do the recent talks going on. We’ve all been right, hence my initial post you responded to, we’ve all been wrong.

If we're talking about petty, I think all the Tyler sniping on here is the pettiest of all. And its going in both directions, don't think I don't see it, like little ms "has to trash Wiggins as the worst player ever because the Wiggins fan dislikes Tyler". I just think its a little pettier in one direction, and a little more focused.

I don't get it either because Tyler's had a pretty good attitude all things considered, he's the guy everyone throws under the bus first, he's been in every single trade rumor for the last 3 years, and he just puts his head down and rarely complains. Now if that changes, I'll turn on him in a heart beat.

He also has really good chemistry with Bam, which I'd think you'd be supportive of. And yeah, he's a defensive sieve, so are a lot of other small talented offensive players. But for whatever reason, we aren't trying to put him in a position to succeed, we're instead playing him next to another short guy making it easy for other teams with length to attack him.

When we do that with Bam, I agree with you that we need to put him in better positions to succeed. Not change the entire team around him, but at least let him play with a center, put him in the right spots, get him lobs. You know who the only guy whose shown talent at throwing Bam lobs on this roster is? Tyler.

That said, I still treat Tyler as entirely expendable. I don't balk at trade deals with him. But can we at least try to appreciate the guy while he's here, until/if he becomes a malcontent?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Dude what are you even talking about, "we" you aren't in the front office

Also go through my post history if you want. I'm not trying to brag but I've been right about a lot more than I've been wrong. I just got a random and-1 the other day on a post I made in like 2009 for the draft thread claiming Hasheem Thabeet would be a bust. If I thought Herro was worthless I'd say so, I think he's flawed and has value but that's not good enough for some, it has to either be get rid of him or he's the one. Look, Dwyane Wade's not walking through that locker room, and Bam, he ain't that guy either as much as I love him. So we're going to need to utilize some combination of flawed players until "him" arrives.

Now your just nitpicking you never say “we” or “us” or anything when discussing the Heat?! Even if not, you know that was a petty comeback

I think you’re pretty smart, I don’t think Tyler is a complete bum either. I just don’t think he’s a winning player, he plays little to no defense, and he’s always injured. I think we’re far better off trading him in some do the recent talks going on. We’ve all been right, hence my initial post you responded to, we’ve all been wrong.

If we're talking about petty, I think all the Tyler sniping on here is the pettiest of all. And its going in both directions, don't think I don't see it, like little ms "has to trash Wiggins as the worst player ever because the Wiggins fan dislikes Tyler". I just think its a little pettier in one direction, and a little more focused.

I don't get it either because Tyler's had a pretty good attitude all things considered, he's the guy everyone throws under the bus first, he's been in every single trade rumor for the last 3 years, and he just puts his head down and rarely complains. Now if that changes, I'll turn on him in a heart beat.

He also has really good chemistry with Bam, which I'd think you'd be supportive of. And yeah, he's a defensive sieve, so are a lot of other small talented offensive players. But for whatever reason, we aren't trying to put him in a position to succeed, we're instead playing him next to another short guy making it easy for other teams with length to attack him.

When we do that with Bam, I agree with you that we need to put him in better positions to succeed. Not change the entire team around him, but at least let him play with a center, put him in the right spots, get him lobs. You know who the only guy whose shown talent at throwing Bam lobs on this roster is? Tyler.

That said, I still treat Tyler as entirely expendable. I don't balk at trade deals with him. But can we at least try to appreciate the guy while he's here, until/if he becomes a malcontent?

Oh so you’ve caught on to the bolded as well lol? Glad I’m not the only one. You want to talk about agendas, that’s someone who literally does not post if there’s not some sort of agenda/dig behind it to try and prop someone else up

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[Tim_Hardawayy]

Oh so you’ve caught on to the bolded as well lol? Glad I’m not the only one. You want to talk about agendas, that’s someone who literally does not post if there’s not some sort of agenda/dig behind it to try and prop someone else up

I catch'em all. I'm just saying the campaign to go after Tyler has been kinda ramped up lately and it feels sort of unnecessary. Some of you guys post about him like he's Antoine Walker. I lived through Antoine Walker. This is not Antoine Walker levels of bad, not even close.

Tyler to me feels more like Beasley, I mean they're totally different players but in terms of, they aren't actively sabotaging the team, so why do we have to bury them just for not being what we want them to be? Like even though Beas had a journeyman career, you can tell he still considers himself a Heat and holds a special place here. And I feel like Tyler would be similar if he did get moved.

Also people are way too quick to want to push the anti Tyler agenda. You have people in the game thread speculating, "if Tyler sits tonight and Jaime Jacquez plays well does that mean Tyler sucks?" Like every single game, micro analyzing to confirm the conclusion they've already come to Its just bizarre. Shouldn't we want all our players to perform, or find ways to fit in and utilize their talents?

That said, I do get it from the perspective that he's on the verge of a contract. So that complicates things, and I'm also weary of giving him big money or even just a long deal even if the money's right, unfortunately the way the current CBA works, committing anything more than MLE type money to any player that isn't a guaranteed top 10 superstar is painful.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’ll tell you whats sad while we’re on the topic of agendas, theres “Heat fans” with agendas so strong they’re hoping for a loss tonight just to pop in and say some smart ass remark

[SerialChiller]

Now your just nitpicking you never say “we” or “us” or anything when discussing the Heat?! Even if not, you know that was a petty comeback

I think you’re pretty smart, I don’t think Tyler is a complete bum either. I just don’t think he’s a winning player, he plays little to no defense, and he’s always injured. I think we’re far better off trading him in some do the recent talks going on. We’ve all been right, hence my initial post you responded to, we’ve all been wrong.

If we're talking about petty, I think all the Tyler sniping on here is the pettiest of all. And its going in both directions, don't think I don't see it, like little ms "has to trash Wiggins as the worst player ever because the Wiggins fan dislikes Tyler". I just think its a little pettier in one direction, and a little more focused.

I don't get it either because Tyler's had a pretty good attitude all things considered, he's the guy everyone throws under the bus first, he's been in every single trade rumor for the last 3 years, and he just puts his head down and rarely complains. Now if that changes, I'll turn on him in a heart beat.

He also has really good chemistry with Bam, which I'd think you'd be supportive of. And yeah, he's a defensive sieve, so are a lot of other small talented offensive players. But for whatever reason, we aren't trying to put him in a position to succeed, we're instead playing him next to another short guy making it easy for other teams with length to attack him.

When we do that with Bam, I agree with you that we need to put him in better positions to succeed. Not change the entire team around him, but at least let him play with a center, put him in the right spots, get him lobs. You know who the only guy whose shown talent at throwing Bam lobs on this roster is? Tyler.

That said, I still treat Tyler as entirely expendable. I don't balk at trade deals with him. But can we at least try to appreciate the guy while he's here, until/if he becomes a malcontent?

Oh so you’ve caught on to the bolded as well lol? Glad I’m not the only one. You want to talk about agendas, that’s someone who literally does not post if there’s not some sort of agenda/dig behind it to try and prop someone else up

The irony of that very someone posting about others having agendas the other day and how they can't be taken seriously because of them !

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Oh so you’ve caught on to the bolded as well lol? Glad I’m not the only one. You want to talk about agendas, that’s someone who literally does not post if there’s not some sort of agenda/dig behind it to try and prop someone else up

I catch'em all. I'm just saying the campaign to go after Tyler has been kinda ramped up lately and it feels sort of unnecessary. Some of you guys post about him like he's Antoine Walker. I lived through Antoine Walker. This is not Antoine Walker levels of bad, not even close.

Tyler to me feels more like Beasley, I mean they're totally different players but in terms of, they aren't actively sabotaging the team, so why do we have to bury them just for not being what we want them to be? Like even though Beas had a journeyman career, you can tell he still considers himself a Heat and holds a special place here. And I feel like Tyler would be similar if he did get moved.

Also people are way too quick to want to push the anti Tyler agenda. You have people in the game thread speculating, "if Tyler sits tonight and Jaime Jacquez plays well does that mean Tyler sucks?" Like every single game, micro analyzing to confirm the conclusion they've already come to Its just bizarre. Shouldn't we want all our players to perform, or find ways to fit in and utilize their talents?

That said, I do get it from the perspective that he's on the verge of a contract. So that complicates things, and I'm also weary of giving him big money or even just a long deal even if the money's right, unfortunately the way the current CBA works, committing anything more than MLE type money to any player that isn't a guaranteed top 10 superstar is painful.

Alright Ash Ketchum! Yeah I mean it was always going to be a big discussion one way or another with him coming back 18 games into the season after we looked great the prior 17 or so and the contract is definitely a big part of it. We also simply just look better everytime he goes down for whatever reason.

Personally I tried to go into his return with a “this will be a process” type of approach and mentioned how we didn’t look good but that it’s going to take the reps and practices together to get everyone on the same page and comfortable because up until that point we hadn’t had any practices or a training camp with the full group. I was attacked by several different posters for what to me, seems like a reasonable and even neutral take lol. On top of that you had posters acting like Tyler was just backpacking a bunch of bums to wins the first 2 games back while completely ignoring how we looked prior and just throwing all context out the window.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If we're talking about petty, I think all the Tyler sniping on here is the pettiest of all. And its going in both directions, don't think I don't see it, like little ms "has to trash Wiggins as the worst player ever because the Wiggins fan dislikes Tyler". I just think its a little pettier in one direction, and a little more focused.

I don't get it either because Tyler's had a pretty good attitude all things considered, he's the guy everyone throws under the bus first, he's been in every single trade rumor for the last 3 years, and he just puts his head down and rarely complains. Now if that changes, I'll turn on him in a heart beat.

He also has really good chemistry with Bam, which I'd think you'd be supportive of. And yeah, he's a defensive sieve, so are a lot of other small talented offensive players. But for whatever reason, we aren't trying to put him in a position to succeed, we're instead playing him next to another short guy making it easy for other teams with length to attack him.

When we do that with Bam, I agree with you that we need to put him in better positions to succeed. Not change the entire team around him, but at least let him play with a center, put him in the right spots, get him lobs. You know who the only guy whose shown talent at throwing Bam lobs on this roster is? Tyler.

That said, I still treat Tyler as entirely expendable. I don't balk at trade deals with him. But can we at least try to appreciate the guy while he's here, until/if he becomes a malcontent?

Oh so you’ve caught on to the bolded as well lol? Glad I’m not the only one. You want to talk about agendas, that’s someone who literally does not post if there’s not some sort of agenda/dig behind it to try and prop someone else up

The irony of that very someone posting about others having agendas the other day and how they can't be taken seriously because of them !

Just imagine how good we’d be if we swapped Bam with Aja.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Oh so you’ve caught on to the bolded as well lol? Glad I’m not the only one. You want to talk about agendas, that’s someone who literally does not post if there’s not some sort of agenda/dig behind it to try and prop someone else up

I catch'em all. I'm just saying the campaign to go after Tyler has been kinda ramped up lately and it feels sort of unnecessary. Some of you guys post about him like he's Antoine Walker. I lived through Antoine Walker. This is not Antoine Walker levels of bad, not even close.

Tyler to me feels more like Beasley, I mean they're totally different players but in terms of, they aren't actively sabotaging the team, so why do we have to bury them just for not being what we want them to be? Like even though Beas had a journeyman career, you can tell he still considers himself a Heat and holds a special place here. And I feel like Tyler would be similar if he did get moved.

Also people are way too quick to want to push the anti Tyler agenda. You have people in the game thread speculating, "if Tyler sits tonight and Jaime Jacquez plays well does that mean Tyler sucks?" Like every single game, micro analyzing to confirm the conclusion they've already come to Its just bizarre. Shouldn't we want all our players to perform, or find ways to fit in and utilize their talents?

That said, I do get it from the perspective that he's on the verge of a contract. So that complicates things, and I'm also weary of giving him big money or even just a long deal even if the money's right, unfortunately the way the current CBA works, committing anything more than MLE type money to any player that isn't a guaranteed top 10 superstar is painful.

Alright Ash Ketchum! Yeah I mean it was always going to be a big discussion one way or another with him coming back 18 games into the season after we looked great the prior 17 or so and the contract is definitely a big part of it. We also simply just look better everytime he goes down for whatever reason.

Personally I tried to go into his return with a “this will be a process” type of approach and mentioned how we didn’t look good but that it’s going to take the reps and practices together to get everyone on the same page and comfortable because up until that point we hadn’t had any practices or a training camp with the full group. I was attacked by several different posters for what to me, seems like a reasonable and even neutral take lol. On top of that you had posters acting like Tyler was just backpacking a bunch of bums to wins the first 2 games back while completely ignoring how we looked prior and just throwing all context out the window.

The bolded isn't true, nobody is giving him any credit for last season (I get that it was a boring but also tumultuous year with the Jimmy saga, but the team really coalesced well going into the playoffs despite the conclusion).

To your second paragraph, eh I don't see much Tyler shilling. A lot of it feels like a response to you. You do generate a lot of the discussion on this board, for better or worse. Wear the crown, own it.

[MartyCONLONNN]

Weird that Herro doesn't know how he hurt his toe. He got "kicked in the calf" and then all the sudden toe started hurting? As a former collegiate athlete who also discussed these types of things with other athletes who went further, 99% of the time you know what exactly when something happens to a specific area because you are so in tune with your body and used to injuries. I guess technically this is what happened with his foot too? I hope this closes the case that Herro is indeed injury prone. Imagine if Herro was treated like Jimmy in terms of reliability - 17 games then out indefinitely with a mystery toe injury... dude wouldnt even be offered a an extension at all if all things were equal.

That white boy privilege mixed with Riley Kentucky bias is wild.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Switching gears, Simmons is useless but any cap gurus still here, what does Miami have to include to make a deal centered around Herro/Wiggins for Giannis work salary wise? Would obviously have to also include the max amount of picks we can offer, and probably more value as well. Is it possible to do it without including Ware or Bam (not in terms of what the Bucks want, but just $$$ wise)?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I catch'em all. I'm just saying the campaign to go after Tyler has been kinda ramped up lately and it feels sort of unnecessary. Some of you guys post about him like he's Antoine Walker. I lived through Antoine Walker. This is not Antoine Walker levels of bad, not even close.

Tyler to me feels more like Beasley, I mean they're totally different players but in terms of, they aren't actively sabotaging the team, so why do we have to bury them just for not being what we want them to be? Like even though Beas had a journeyman career, you can tell he still considers himself a Heat and holds a special place here. And I feel like Tyler would be similar if he did get moved.

Also people are way too quick to want to push the anti Tyler agenda. You have people in the game thread speculating, "if Tyler sits tonight and Jaime Jacquez plays well does that mean Tyler sucks?" Like every single game, micro analyzing to confirm the conclusion they've already come to Its just bizarre. Shouldn't we want all our players to perform, or find ways to fit in and utilize their talents?

That said, I do get it from the perspective that he's on the verge of a contract. So that complicates things, and I'm also weary of giving him big money or even just a long deal even if the money's right, unfortunately the way the current CBA works, committing anything more than MLE type money to any player that isn't a guaranteed top 10 superstar is painful.

Alright Ash Ketchum! Yeah I mean it was always going to be a big discussion one way or another with him coming back 18 games into the season after we looked great the prior 17 or so and the contract is definitely a big part of it. We also simply just look better everytime he goes down for whatever reason.

Personally I tried to go into his return with a “this will be a process” type of approach and mentioned how we didn’t look good but that it’s going to take the reps and practices together to get everyone on the same page and comfortable because up until that point we hadn’t had any practices or a training camp with the full group. I was attacked by several different posters for what to me, seems like a reasonable and even neutral take lol. On top of that you had posters acting like Tyler was just backpacking a bunch of bums to wins the first 2 games back while completely ignoring how we looked prior and just throwing all context out the window.

The bolded isn't true, nobody is giving him any credit for last season (I get that it was a boring but also tumultuous year with the Jimmy saga, but the team really coalesced well going into the playoffs despite the conclusion).

To your second paragraph, eh I don't see much Tyler shilling. A lot of it feels like a response to you. You do generate a lot of the discussion on this board, for better or worse. Wear the crown, own it.

Last season was an outlier in a careers worth of play from an on court and even health perspective and either way the team won 37 games and was the 10th seed so it really didn’t account for anything.

Go back to those game threads and you will lol.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Switching gears, Simmons is useless but any cap gurus still here, what does Miami have to include to make a deal centered around Herro/Wiggins for Giannis work salary wise? Would obviously have to also include the max amount of picks we can offer, and probably more value as well. Is it possible to do it without including Ware or Bam (not in terms of what the Bucks want, but just $$$ wise)?

Herro and Wiggins combine to make $5M a year more than Giannis, you can add GTJ if you want to get closer to a salary match with the Bucks taking back about $1.6M or so extra in the deal. From strictly just a $$$ perspective.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Switching gears, Simmons is useless but any cap gurus still here, what does Miami have to include to make a deal centered around Herro/Wiggins for Giannis work salary wise? Would obviously have to also include the max amount of picks we can offer, and probably more value as well. Is it possible to do it without including Ware or Bam (not in terms of what the Bucks want, but just $$$ wise)?

Herro and Wiggins combine to make $5M a year more than Giannis, you can add GTJ if you want to get closer to a salary match with the Bucks taking back about $1.6M or so extra in the deal. From strictly just a $$$ perspective.

Oh that's lovely. So if we get the Rozier pick back and Bucks want picks, my dream trade could be possible. Unfortunately nothing will likely happen on the Rozier front in the near future.