Trade Talk (Part 18): Early Season Panic Edition

[Danimals]

Of course it would take some luck, but nearly all championships do. Our starting lineup is talented enough to win a championship, but our bench is not. It’s definitely hard to find realistic trade targets.

Dillingham, Miller, Hyland for Bey and Alvarado?

[Note30]

Of course it would take some luck, but nearly all championships do. Our starting lineup is talented enough to win a championship, but our bench is not. It’s definitely hard to find realistic trade targets.

Dillingham, Miller, Hyland for Bey and Alvarado?

How about

Jaden, Dillingham, Beringer, DDV, Conley
For
Murphy, Fears, Missi, Herb Jones, Alvarado

Fears, Alvarado
Edwards, Clark/TSJ
Murphy/ Jones
Randle/Reid
Gobert/Missi

[FrenchMinnyFan]

We just need a back up C as Joan seems not to be ready. And if we failed this year then make a big trade for a PG. even if I’m pretty sure no star PG is willing to come as long and we have Randle with ANT. A star PG just want to have the ball in hands. 3 players who wants the ball is way too much.

[Norseman79]

If you want to win a championship this year, you're going to need to do a lot better than Edwards and divincenzo as a back court. Just saying.

Did you know Donte is #7 in the NBA in three pointers at nearly 40%?

Is Ant-Donte a worse backcourt than Kobe-Derek Fischer?

Did I say Donte can't shoot? Who brings the ball up and gets things set against great defensive pressure? Who is actually going to be able to handle the ball without turning it over and get us into some type of offense? And again, I'm not talking against weak defense, I'm not talking against some pressure, I'm talking against the type of defensive pressure teams like Oklahoma City are going to put on your guards.

[Danimals]

Bringing this over from the other thread:

BlacJacMac - “Our starters
(Rudy, DDV, Ant, Jaden, Randle):
#1 in +/-
#3 in FG%
#4 in TS%
#5 in ORtg

Our bench:
#15 in +/-
#24 in FG%
#25 in TS%
#27 in ORtg”

[Devilzsidewalk]

I am openly skeptical of the Mike Conley promise since it’s been almost two years since the contract was signed. He’s an expiring player, he wouldn’t have to move his entire family for 3-4 months off basketball, especially given that Minnesota would make sure he is taken care of (likely through a buy-out agreement).

The other element is that Mike Conley wants to play twenty seasons and then retire. A simple nudge of “This is needed to make the team better, but you can come back next season,” would immediately solve the tension. I am comfortable with privately giving him that offer alongside doing him right during the trade process, if that means addressing the team’s shortcomings.

It's really hard to find viable trades without that salary, so hopefully it's not too ironclad.


Warriors in: Conley / Donte Divincenzo / Leonard Miller
Warriors out: Kuminga / Podz

Timberwolves in: Podziemski / Malik Monk
Timberwolves out: Conley / DDV / Lenny

Kings in: Kuminga
Kings out: Monk


I don't like losing DDV, but he looks topped out as a 3 point chucker, and Monk can replicate that. We lose a little defensively, but gain quite a bit ball handling and net offensive firepower. And Podz is one of the best backcourt rebounders in the league - hits 2 big needs for us. Kings get their guy without having to sacrifice anything too meaningful. Maybe they can send GS a couple token seconds to save face since they've been thinking Podz and Kuminga should net them some big name. Or GSW could get Keon Ellis instead of Lenny if they prefer, but they're a little guard heavy. GS knows Donte and liked him, and he's leveled up since then. To me, he's the best player of the group. By ws/48, he and Conley are the top 2 players in the whole deal. And I'm assuming Kerr would love Conley's presence since he's big on smart veterans.

[Note30]

I am openly skeptical of the Mike Conley promise since it’s been almost two years since the contract was signed. He’s an expiring player, he wouldn’t have to move his entire family for 3-4 months off basketball, especially given that Minnesota would make sure he is taken care of (likely through a buy-out agreement).

The other element is that Mike Conley wants to play twenty seasons and then retire. A simple nudge of “This is needed to make the team better, but you can come back next season,” would immediately solve the tension. I am comfortable with privately giving him that offer alongside doing him right during the trade process, if that means addressing the team’s shortcomings.

It's really hard to find viable trades without that salary, so hopefully it's not too ironclad.


Warriors in: Conley / Donte Divincenzo / Leonard Miller
Warriors out: Kuminga / Podz

Timberwolves in: Podziemski / Malik Monk
Timberwolves out: Conley / DDV / Lenny

Kings in: Kuminga
Kings out: Monk


I don't like losing DDV, but he looks topped out as a 3 point chucker, and Monk can replicate that. We lose a little defensively, but gain quite a bit ball handling and net offensive firepower. And Podz is one of the best backcourt rebounders in the league - hits 2 big needs for us. Kings get their guy without having to sacrifice anything too meaningful. Maybe they can send GS a couple token seconds to save face since they've been thinking Podz and Kuminga should net them some big name. Or GSW could get Keon Ellis instead of Lenny if they prefer, but they're a little guard heavy. GS knows Donte and liked him, and he's leveled up since then. To me, he's the best player of the group. By ws/48, he and Conley are the top 2 players in the whole deal. And I'm assuming Kerr would love Conley's presence since he's big on smart veterans.

That might actually work for everyone. Nice.

[winforlose]

I am openly skeptical of the Mike Conley promise since it’s been almost two years since the contract was signed. He’s an expiring player, he wouldn’t have to move his entire family for 3-4 months off basketball, especially given that Minnesota would make sure he is taken care of (likely through a buy-out agreement).

The other element is that Mike Conley wants to play twenty seasons and then retire. A simple nudge of “This is needed to make the team better, but you can come back next season,” would immediately solve the tension. I am comfortable with privately giving him that offer alongside doing him right during the trade process, if that means addressing the team’s shortcomings.

It's really hard to find viable trades without that salary, so hopefully it's not too ironclad.


Warriors in: Conley / Donte Divincenzo / Leonard Miller
Warriors out: Kuminga / Podz

Timberwolves in: Podziemski / Malik Monk
Timberwolves out: Conley / DDV / Lenny

Kings in: Kuminga
Kings out: Monk


I don't like losing DDV, but he looks topped out as a 3 point chucker, and Monk can replicate that. We lose a little defensively, but gain quite a bit ball handling and net offensive firepower. And Podz is one of the best backcourt rebounders in the league - hits 2 big needs for us. Kings get their guy without having to sacrifice anything too meaningful. Maybe they can send GS a couple token seconds to save face since they've been thinking Podz and Kuminga should net them some big name. Or GSW could get Keon Ellis instead of Lenny if they prefer, but they're a little guard heavy. GS knows Donte and liked him, and he's leveled up since then. To me, he's the best player of the group. By ws/48, he and Conley are the top 2 players in the whole deal. And I'm assuming Kerr would love Conley's presence since he's big on smart veterans.

Why in the world we ever consider this? DDV is a starting level guard, Mike is the only viable PG on the roster (though I do think he is probably 3rd string by now,) and Miller I am fine moving (no issue if he is filler,) for Kuminga (essentially a PF who struggles from deep,) and Podz (a SG who is inconsistent on lower volume and is failing to transition to PG.) Our needs are at PG and C not at the 2-4.

[Domejandro]

I am openly skeptical of the Mike Conley promise since it’s been almost two years since the contract was signed. He’s an expiring player, he wouldn’t have to move his entire family for 3-4 months off basketball, especially given that Minnesota would make sure he is taken care of (likely through a buy-out agreement).

The other element is that Mike Conley wants to play twenty seasons and then retire. A simple nudge of “This is needed to make the team better, but you can come back next season,” would immediately solve the tension. I am comfortable with privately giving him that offer alongside doing him right during the trade process, if that means addressing the team’s shortcomings.

It's really hard to find viable trades without that salary, so hopefully it's not too ironclad.


Warriors in: Conley / Donte Divincenzo / Leonard Miller
Warriors out: Kuminga / Podz

Timberwolves in: Podziemski / Malik Monk
Timberwolves out: Conley / DDV / Lenny

Kings in: Kuminga
Kings out: Monk


I don't like losing DDV, but he looks topped out as a 3 point chucker, and Monk can replicate that. We lose a little defensively, but gain quite a bit ball handling and net offensive firepower. And Podz is one of the best backcourt rebounders in the league - hits 2 big needs for us. Kings get their guy without having to sacrifice anything too meaningful. Maybe they can send GS a couple token seconds to save face since they've been thinking Podz and Kuminga should net them some big name. Or GSW could get Keon Ellis instead of Lenny if they prefer, but they're a little guard heavy. GS knows Donte and liked him, and he's leveled up since then. To me, he's the best player of the group. By ws/48, he and Conley are the top 2 players in the whole deal. And I'm assuming Kerr would love Conley's presence since he's big on smart veterans.

I would caution that Malik Monk can’t replicate what Donte DiVincenzo does, he is a very different type of player. He had a hot streak from behind-the-arc earlier this season, but Monk is more-so an operate on ball to create off of drives and pull-ups offensive threat. Year to year, he isn’t a particularly efficient three-point shooter.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I am openly skeptical of the Mike Conley promise since it’s been almost two years since the contract was signed. He’s an expiring player, he wouldn’t have to move his entire family for 3-4 months off basketball, especially given that Minnesota would make sure he is taken care of (likely through a buy-out agreement).

The other element is that Mike Conley wants to play twenty seasons and then retire. A simple nudge of “This is needed to make the team better, but you can come back next season,” would immediately solve the tension. I am comfortable with privately giving him that offer alongside doing him right during the trade process, if that means addressing the team’s shortcomings.

It's really hard to find viable trades without that salary, so hopefully it's not too ironclad.


Warriors in: Conley / Donte Divincenzo / Leonard Miller
Warriors out: Kuminga / Podz

Timberwolves in: Podziemski / Malik Monk
Timberwolves out: Conley / DDV / Lenny

Kings in: Kuminga
Kings out: Monk


I don't like losing DDV, but he looks topped out as a 3 point chucker, and Monk can replicate that. We lose a little defensively, but gain quite a bit ball handling and net offensive firepower. And Podz is one of the best backcourt rebounders in the league - hits 2 big needs for us. Kings get their guy without having to sacrifice anything too meaningful. Maybe they can send GS a couple token seconds to save face since they've been thinking Podz and Kuminga should net them some big name. Or GSW could get Keon Ellis instead of Lenny if they prefer, but they're a little guard heavy. GS knows Donte and liked him, and he's leveled up since then. To me, he's the best player of the group. By ws/48, he and Conley are the top 2 players in the whole deal. And I'm assuming Kerr would love Conley's presence since he's big on smart veterans.

Why in the world we ever consider this? DDV is a starting level guard, Mike is the only viable PG on the roster (though I do think he is probably 3rd string by now,) and Miller I am fine moving (no issue if he is filler,) for Kuminga (essentially a PF who struggles from deep,) and Podz (a SG who is inconsistent on lower volume and is failing to transition to PG.) Our needs are at PG and C not at the 2-4.

DDV is a starting level SG, but we'll never be able to provide him that. Podz gives us some upside and Monk has had a very solid assist rate in Sac for being a combo guard. With this trade, I feel like we are much better prepared to pass and handle the ball in crunch time with some competence.

[Note30]

I am openly skeptical of the Mike Conley promise since it’s been almost two years since the contract was signed. He’s an expiring player, he wouldn’t have to move his entire family for 3-4 months off basketball, especially given that Minnesota would make sure he is taken care of (likely through a buy-out agreement).

The other element is that Mike Conley wants to play twenty seasons and then retire. A simple nudge of “This is needed to make the team better, but you can come back next season,” would immediately solve the tension. I am comfortable with privately giving him that offer alongside doing him right during the trade process, if that means addressing the team’s shortcomings.

It's really hard to find viable trades without that salary, so hopefully it's not too ironclad.


Warriors in: Conley / Donte Divincenzo / Leonard Miller
Warriors out: Kuminga / Podz

Timberwolves in: Podziemski / Malik Monk
Timberwolves out: Conley / DDV / Lenny

Kings in: Kuminga
Kings out: Monk


I don't like losing DDV, but he looks topped out as a 3 point chucker, and Monk can replicate that. We lose a little defensively, but gain quite a bit ball handling and net offensive firepower. And Podz is one of the best backcourt rebounders in the league - hits 2 big needs for us. Kings get their guy without having to sacrifice anything too meaningful. Maybe they can send GS a couple token seconds to save face since they've been thinking Podz and Kuminga should net them some big name. Or GSW could get Keon Ellis instead of Lenny if they prefer, but they're a little guard heavy. GS knows Donte and liked him, and he's leveled up since then. To me, he's the best player of the group. By ws/48, he and Conley are the top 2 players in the whole deal. And I'm assuming Kerr would love Conley's presence since he's big on smart veterans.

Why in the world we ever consider this? DDV is a starting level guard, Mike is the only viable PG on the roster (though I do think he is probably 3rd string by now,) and Miller I am fine moving (no issue if he is filler,) for Kuminga (essentially a PF who struggles from deep,) and Podz (a SG who is inconsistent on lower volume and is failing to transition to PG.) Our needs are at PG and C not at the 2-4.

Is he? Pods fills the DDV role, and Monk can definitely still play some PG.

It's not a perfect solution but for scraps this would be a pretty good get.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I am openly skeptical of the Mike Conley promise since it’s been almost two years since the contract was signed. He’s an expiring player, he wouldn’t have to move his entire family for 3-4 months off basketball, especially given that Minnesota would make sure he is taken care of (likely through a buy-out agreement).

The other element is that Mike Conley wants to play twenty seasons and then retire. A simple nudge of “This is needed to make the team better, but you can come back next season,” would immediately solve the tension. I am comfortable with privately giving him that offer alongside doing him right during the trade process, if that means addressing the team’s shortcomings.

It's really hard to find viable trades without that salary, so hopefully it's not too ironclad.


Warriors in: Conley / Donte Divincenzo / Leonard Miller
Warriors out: Kuminga / Podz

Timberwolves in: Podziemski / Malik Monk
Timberwolves out: Conley / DDV / Lenny

Kings in: Kuminga
Kings out: Monk


I don't like losing DDV, but he looks topped out as a 3 point chucker, and Monk can replicate that. We lose a little defensively, but gain quite a bit ball handling and net offensive firepower. And Podz is one of the best backcourt rebounders in the league - hits 2 big needs for us. Kings get their guy without having to sacrifice anything too meaningful. Maybe they can send GS a couple token seconds to save face since they've been thinking Podz and Kuminga should net them some big name. Or GSW could get Keon Ellis instead of Lenny if they prefer, but they're a little guard heavy. GS knows Donte and liked him, and he's leveled up since then. To me, he's the best player of the group. By ws/48, he and Conley are the top 2 players in the whole deal. And I'm assuming Kerr would love Conley's presence since he's big on smart veterans.

I would caution that Malik Monk can’t replicate what Donte DiVincenzo does, he is a very different type of player. He had a hot streak from behind-the-arc earlier this season, but Monk is more-so an operate on ball to create off of drives and pull-ups offensive threat. Year to year, he isn’t a particularly efficient three-point shooter.

Yeah Donte is a big time piece. He's #1 in net rating for the squad. But Podz is the prize for me, not Monk. I feel good about his ceiling based on how much he's shown at such a young age. I like that he crashes the boards, we've been losing long rebounds for years. His 3 point bombing looks close to Donte's level already. Not as quick on the release, but accurate. He's my Donte replacement. Monk is my Conley replacement, and I think that's an easy bar to clear. I didn't realize though that he has player option for 27/28 though, so that might be a deal breaker.

[Danimals]

I we need to keep our top 6 guys (unless we make a big move) and upgrade the bench.

Conley and Dilly for Monk

[Norseman79]

These last few trades suck. Better off not trading

[GopherIt!]

TC needs to cook at the trade deadline. If not, he deserves to be on the hot seat.

[nolian]

Dillingham + Miller
x
K.Love + Collier

I like Dillingham, but Finch don't trust him
Let's try with Collier

Miller doesn't have minuts now and will not have minutes in future with Wolves
K.Love is not the C that we need, but he knows the play, he has great sense of position
so i think he can help in rare games, he is better that Beringer at the moment

[winforlose]

Dillingham + Miller
x
K.Love + Collier

I like Dillingham, but Finch don't trust him
Let's try with Collier

Miller doesn't have minuts now and will not have minutes in future with Wolves
K.Love is not the C that we need, but he knows the play, he has great sense of position
so i think he can help in rare games, he is better that Beringer at the moment

I could be wrong, but isn’t Collier someone they like and want to keep? K Love is a player the Jazz won’t miss, and Miller is a player they might use (I doubt it.) The only real reason to make this trade for Utah is if the believe Collier is not a player, and that Dilly might be in the future. Is that likely?

[shrink]

Dillingham + Miller
x
K.Love + Collier

I like Dillingham, but Finch don't trust him
Let's try with Collier

Miller doesn't have minuts now and will not have minutes in future with Wolves
K.Love is not the C that we need, but he knows the play, he has great sense of position
so i think he can help in rare games, he is better that Beringer at the moment

I could be wrong, but isn’t Collier someone they like and want to keep? K Love is a player the Jazz won’t miss, and Miller is a player they might use (I doubt it.) The only real reason to make this trade for Utah is if the believe Collier is not a player, and that Dilly might be in the future. Is that likely?

Some Jazz fans like Collier, but most are invested in Keyonte George (22.2 PPG). I’m not sure why they’d value Dillingham, unless they envision him as a super-sixth man, which he has not shown he can do.

I’d ask the Jazz to waive Kyle Anderson too, and have him sign with us.

The Jazz are a likely trade partner for the Wolves. UTA is a rebuilding team, so with a different direction than us, we will value players much differently. Connelly has completed two trades with UTA and has a personal relationship. But UTA specifically is helpful because they own some of our picks. The picks can be modified to provide flexibility in matching trade value. For example, if they value Dillingham, the teams could modify the top-5 protected 2029 to top-8, or add protections to the 2027.

[winforlose]

Dillingham + Miller
x
K.Love + Collier

I like Dillingham, but Finch don't trust him
Let's try with Collier

Miller doesn't have minuts now and will not have minutes in future with Wolves
K.Love is not the C that we need, but he knows the play, he has great sense of position
so i think he can help in rare games, he is better that Beringer at the moment

I could be wrong, but isn’t Collier someone they like and want to keep? K Love is a player the Jazz won’t miss, and Miller is a player they might use (I doubt it.) The only real reason to make this trade for Utah is if the believe Collier is not a player, and that Dilly might be in the future. Is that likely?

Some Jazz fans like Collier, but most are invested in Keyonte George (22.2 PPG). I’m not sure why they’d value Dillingham, unless they envision him as a super-sixth man, which he has not shown he can do.

I’d ask the Jazz to waive Kyle Anderson too, and have him sign with us.

The Jazz are a likely trade partner for the Wolves. UTA is a rebuilding team, so with a different direction than us, we will value players much differently. Connelly has completed two trades with UTA and has a personal relationship. But UTA specifically is helpful because they own some of our picks. The picks can be modified to provide flexibility in matching trade value. For example, if they value Dillingham, the teams could modify the top-5 protected 2029 to top-8, or add protections to the 2027.

Isn’t the inverse also true? That the better we are next season and in 28/29 the lower their value. If they give us Collier and he turns into a solid contributor for years to come, they have hurt their value from the Gobert trade. If anything they have the best incentive not to trade with us.

[nolian]

Collier looked better than K. George last year.
They also drafted Clayton Jr.
All of us tought that they didnt' believe in K.George, but...

Now K. George is their second-best player.

I think that K.George and Clayton are their future at PG.

I don't know if they believe to Dillingham become a good player, the same about L.Miller, but I know that they have no reason to play K.Love. In addition they know Dillingham and Miller haven't had a real chance yet.

(It's also possible that Collier is worst than Dillingham)