Since Barrett’s injury Raptors offensive rating has plummeted to last in the league

[Basketball_Jones]

Yeah, I think this cements RJ as a lock for us to get him signed. He’s the best of the bunch of shooting guards by a wiiiiiide margin. It’s astronomical. We won’t acquire anyone better for a long time and there is no one projecting to be even close to his production in our development system.

I think the opposite. I think there’s more of a chance we tear it down than give him an extension.

Oooo. Now that would be something. We really suck at tanking though I hate it now always disappointing.

[HumbleRen]

Yeah, I think this cements RJ as a lock for us to get him signed. He’s the best of the bunch of shooting guards by a wiiiiiide margin. It’s astronomical. We won’t acquire anyone better for a long time and there is no one projecting to be even close to his production in our development system.

I think the opposite. I think there’s more of a chance we tear it down than give him an extension.

Oooo. Now that would be something. We really suck at tanking though I hate it now always disappointing.

Sunk cost fallacy has been killing us for the last 4 years. At some point Bobby and the FO have to realize this isn’t working.

We overpaid IQ.
We overpaid BI.
We overpaid Poeltl.

We’re going to have to double down and overpay RJ if they want to keep this core together and win. That’s like 90% of the cap being allotted to 5 starters who don’t even fit together that well.

That leaves us no room for a competent bench and us in the luxury tax for a team that probably won’t win a single playoff series.

This roster is built for instant gratification but is it built for the long term success? I don’t think so.

[PushDaRock]

I think the opposite. I think there’s more of a chance we tear it down than give him an extension.

Oooo. Now that would be something. We really suck at tanking though I hate it now always disappointing.

Sunk cost fallacy has been killing us for the last 4 years. At some point Bobby and the FO have to realize this isn’t working.

We overpaid IQ.
We overpaid BI.
We overpaid Poeltl.

We’re going to have to double down and overpay RJ if they want to keep this core together and win. That’s like 90% of the cap being allotted to 5 starters who don’t even fit together that well.

That leaves us no room for a competent bench and us in the luxury tax for a team that probably won’t win a single playoff series.

This roster is built for instant gratification but is it built for the long term success? I don’t think so.

The Starters have a +5.0 NRTG and were trending up ever since the slow start. Seems like they fit pretty well to me?

Let's say they win 45-50 games this season with close to a 20 win improvement from last season, you think this FO is going to think this isn't working? Seems like it would be the exact goal of the FO being met.

It's built in a way to be a decent team with flexibility to still improve the roster. We own all our picks and have the ability to get better, not sure why people acting like we're above the 2nd apron and don't own our picks as if it's a dire situation.

[HumbleRen]

Oooo. Now that would be something. We really suck at tanking though I hate it now always disappointing.

Sunk cost fallacy has been killing us for the last 4 years. At some point Bobby and the FO have to realize this isn’t working.

We overpaid IQ.
We overpaid BI.
We overpaid Poeltl.

We’re going to have to double down and overpay RJ if they want to keep this core together and win. That’s like 90% of the cap being allotted to 5 starters who don’t even fit together that well.

That leaves us no room for a competent bench and us in the luxury tax for a team that probably won’t win a single playoff series.

This roster is built for instant gratification but is it built for the long term success? I don’t think so.

The Starters have a +5.0 NRTG and were trending up ever since the slow start. Seems like they fit pretty well to me?

Let's say they win 45-50 games this season with close to a 20 win improvement from last season, you think this FO is going to think this isn't working? Seems like it would be the exact goal of the FO being met.

It's built in a way to be a decent team with flexibility to still improve the roster. We own all our picks and have the ability to get better, not sure why people acting like we're above the 2nd apron and don't own our picks as if it's a dire situation.

I don’t think that’s too good considering how much we’re paying for it.

We’ll see what the FO does. They had no qualms giving Poeltl an undeserved extension. Let’s see what they do with RJ, he’s certainly been wanting one, FO doesn’t seem ready to play ball yet.

[PushDaRock]

Sunk cost fallacy has been killing us for the last 4 years. At some point Bobby and the FO have to realize this isn’t working.

We overpaid IQ.
We overpaid BI.
We overpaid Poeltl.

We’re going to have to double down and overpay RJ if they want to keep this core together and win. That’s like 90% of the cap being allotted to 5 starters who don’t even fit together that well.

That leaves us no room for a competent bench and us in the luxury tax for a team that probably won’t win a single playoff series.

This roster is built for instant gratification but is it built for the long term success? I don’t think so.

The Starters have a +5.0 NRTG and were trending up ever since the slow start. Seems like they fit pretty well to me?

Let's say they win 45-50 games this season with close to a 20 win improvement from last season, you think this FO is going to think this isn't working? Seems like it would be the exact goal of the FO being met.

It's built in a way to be a decent team with flexibility to still improve the roster. We own all our picks and have the ability to get better, not sure why people acting like we're above the 2nd apron and don't own our picks as if it's a dire situation.

I don’t think that’s too good considering how much we’re paying for it.

We’ll see what the FO does. They had no qualms giving Poeltl an undeserved extension. Let’s see what they do with RJ, he’s certainly been wanting one, FO doesn’t seem ready to play ball yet.

What kind of NRTG are you expecting from a starting 5 without a consensus top 30 player entering this season?

[Kingsway_fan]

I think the opposite. I think there’s more of a chance we tear it down than give him an extension.

Oooo. Now that would be something. We really suck at tanking though I hate it now always disappointing.

Sunk cost fallacy has been killing us for the last 4 years. At some point Bobby and the FO have to realize this isn’t working.

We overpaid IQ.
We overpaid BI.
We overpaid Poeltl.

We’re going to have to double down and overpay RJ if they want to keep this core together and win. That’s like 90% of the cap being allotted to 5 starters who don’t even fit together that well.

That leaves us no room for a competent bench and us in the luxury tax for a team that probably won’t win a single playoff series.

This roster is built for instant gratification but is it built for the long term success? I don’t think so.

I agree. At the same time, we have a history of overpay, which I refer to as the Canadian tax... the cost of playing North.

I can't think of a good player in recent Raptor memory... except NORMAN POWELL, who was a fair or better value contract... All overpays... That will continue.

Raps management has rarely timed things to extend a player on a great value and see that player exceed the contract value... We pay as it they are superstar already, lol like IQ... then get angry when they don't play to that level...

We hold on to scrubs too long (I.e. Flynn)... and now, likely Dick... instead of cutting our losses and replacing the roster spot with value players ... imo.

I said in summer MAMU would be the best FA value hire in years... one good signing.... unfortunately only 1 year ffs...

I support extending RJ... as he is a quality talent who also wants to stay here... they fked up with NORM... let's see what they do now....

[HumbleRen]

The Starters have a +5.0 NRTG and were trending up ever since the slow start. Seems like they fit pretty well to me?

Let's say they win 45-50 games this season with close to a 20 win improvement from last season, you think this FO is going to think this isn't working? Seems like it would be the exact goal of the FO being met.

It's built in a way to be a decent team with flexibility to still improve the roster. We own all our picks and have the ability to get better, not sure why people acting like we're above the 2nd apron and don't own our picks as if it's a dire situation.

I don’t think that’s too good considering how much we’re paying for it.

We’ll see what the FO does. They had no qualms giving Poeltl an undeserved extension. Let’s see what they do with RJ, he’s certainly been wanting one, FO doesn’t seem ready to play ball yet.

What kind of NRTG are you expecting from a starting 5 without a consensus top 30 player entering this season?

For how bad our bench is and how expensive our starting 5 is? They gotta be around +7-10 by the end of the season.

[HumbleRen]

Oooo. Now that would be something. We really suck at tanking though I hate it now always disappointing.

Sunk cost fallacy has been killing us for the last 4 years. At some point Bobby and the FO have to realize this isn’t working.

We overpaid IQ.
We overpaid BI.
We overpaid Poeltl.

We’re going to have to double down and overpay RJ if they want to keep this core together and win. That’s like 90% of the cap being allotted to 5 starters who don’t even fit together that well.

That leaves us no room for a competent bench and us in the luxury tax for a team that probably won’t win a single playoff series.

This roster is built for instant gratification but is it built for the long term success? I don’t think so.

I agree. At the same time, we have a history of overpay, which I refer to as the Canadian tax... the cost of playing North.

I can't think of a good player in recent Raptor memory... except NORMAN POWELL, who was a fair or better value contract... All overpays... That will continue.

Raps management has rarely timed things to extend a player on a great value and see that player exceed the contract value... We pay as it they are superstar already, lol like IQ... then get angry when they don't play to that level...

We hold on to scrubs too long (I.e. Flynn)... and now, likely Dick... instead of cutting our losses and replacing the roster spot with value players ... imo.

I said in summer MAMU would be the best FA value hire in years... one good signing.... unfortunately only 1 year ffs...

I support extending RJ... as he is a quality talent who also wants to stay here... they fked up with NORM... let's see what they do now....

While we did overpay back then, it was never this bad. Also more importantly, we were the best in the nba at drafting and elite at winning trades.

We haven’t been that in a while.

[PushDaRock]

I don’t think that’s too good considering how much we’re paying for it.

We’ll see what the FO does. They had no qualms giving Poeltl an undeserved extension. Let’s see what they do with RJ, he’s certainly been wanting one, FO doesn’t seem ready to play ball yet.

What kind of NRTG are you expecting from a starting 5 without a consensus top 30 player entering this season?

For how bad our bench is and how expensive our starting 5 is? They gotta be around +7-10 by the end of the season.

The bench has won their mins on the year.

If the starting 5 is a +10 NRTG and the bench is also a positive, this ends up being one of the best teams in the league. That seems pretty unrealistic.

This team will end up likely not paying the tax, so not sure I get the constant "expensive" complaints.

[HumbleRen]

What kind of NRTG are you expecting from a starting 5 without a consensus top 30 player entering this season?

For how bad our bench is and how expensive our starting 5 is? They gotta be around +7-10 by the end of the season.

The bench has won their mins on the year.

If the starting 5 is a +10 NRTG and the bench is also a positive, this ends up being one of the best teams in the league. That seems pretty unrealistic.

This team will end up likely not paying the tax, so not sure I get the constant "expensive" complaints.

The bench has been horrendous as of late and we probably shouldn’t expect their play earlier to be an indication of what they are.

Turns out Shead shooting 40% from the 3 was unsustainable.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree on whether this team is expensive is not. I think it clearly is, you don’t. It is what it is.

[PushDaRock]

For how bad our bench is and how expensive our starting 5 is? They gotta be around +7-10 by the end of the season.

The bench has won their mins on the year.

If the starting 5 is a +10 NRTG and the bench is also a positive, this ends up being one of the best teams in the league. That seems pretty unrealistic.

This team will end up likely not paying the tax, so not sure I get the constant "expensive" complaints.

The bench has been horrendous as of late and we probably shouldn’t expect their play earlier to be an indication of what they are.

Turns out Shead shooting 40% from the 3 was unsustainable.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree on whether this team is expensive is not. I think it clearly is, you don’t. It is what it is.

Well, do we take the smaller sample size that helps make your point that the bench stinks or the larger one that supports otherwise?

[HumbleRen]

The bench has won their mins on the year.

If the starting 5 is a +10 NRTG and the bench is also a positive, this ends up being one of the best teams in the league. That seems pretty unrealistic.

This team will end up likely not paying the tax, so not sure I get the constant "expensive" complaints.

The bench has been horrendous as of late and we probably shouldn’t expect their play earlier to be an indication of what they are.

Turns out Shead shooting 40% from the 3 was unsustainable.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree on whether this team is expensive is not. I think it clearly is, you don’t. It is what it is.

Well, do we take the smaller sample size that helps make your point that the bench stinks or the larger one that supports otherwise?

We should just probably revisit this by the end of the season. We have the hardest schedule in the east now, we’ll know what this team truly is by February.

[PushDaRock]

The bench has been horrendous as of late and we probably shouldn’t expect their play earlier to be an indication of what they are.

Turns out Shead shooting 40% from the 3 was unsustainable.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree on whether this team is expensive is not. I think it clearly is, you don’t. It is what it is.

Well, do we take the smaller sample size that helps make your point that the bench stinks or the larger one that supports otherwise?

We should just probably revisit this by the end of the season. We have the hardest schedule in the east now, we’ll know what this team truly is by February.

Sure, and yes I think we need more of a sample size to know for sure.

[Tha Cynic]

Sunk cost fallacy has been killing us for the last 4 years. At some point Bobby and the FO have to realize this isn’t working.

We overpaid IQ.
We overpaid BI.
We overpaid Poeltl.

We’re going to have to double down and overpay RJ if they want to keep this core together and win. That’s like 90% of the cap being allotted to 5 starters who don’t even fit together that well.

That leaves us no room for a competent bench and us in the luxury tax for a team that probably won’t win a single playoff series.

This roster is built for instant gratification but is it built for the long term success? I don’t think so.

The Starters have a +5.0 NRTG and were trending up ever since the slow start. Seems like they fit pretty well to me?

Let's say they win 45-50 games this season with close to a 20 win improvement from last season, you think this FO is going to think this isn't working? Seems like it would be the exact goal of the FO being met.

It's built in a way to be a decent team with flexibility to still improve the roster. We own all our picks and have the ability to get better, not sure why people acting like we're above the 2nd apron and don't own our picks as if it's a dire situation.

I don’t think that’s too good considering how much we’re paying for it.

We’ll see what the FO does. They had no qualms giving Poeltl an undeserved extension. Let’s see what they do with RJ, he’s certainly been wanting one, FO doesn’t seem ready to play ball yet.

They’re building this team the exact same way they built the last championship. It will take some time and more changes before we get to an ideal roster but we’re currently in the Lowry/Derozan phase of it. The cost thing is way overblown. Every player on this roster is movable and Bobby was hired specifically because he knows how to work well with the cap.

[HumbleRen]

The Starters have a +5.0 NRTG and were trending up ever since the slow start. Seems like they fit pretty well to me?

Let's say they win 45-50 games this season with close to a 20 win improvement from last season, you think this FO is going to think this isn't working? Seems like it would be the exact goal of the FO being met.

It's built in a way to be a decent team with flexibility to still improve the roster. We own all our picks and have the ability to get better, not sure why people acting like we're above the 2nd apron and don't own our picks as if it's a dire situation.

I don’t think that’s too good considering how much we’re paying for it.

We’ll see what the FO does. They had no qualms giving Poeltl an undeserved extension. Let’s see what they do with RJ, he’s certainly been wanting one, FO doesn’t seem ready to play ball yet.

They’re building this team the exact same way they built the last championship. It will take some time and more changes before we get to an ideal roster but we’re currently in the Lowry/Derozan phase of it. The cost thing is way overblown. Every player on this roster is movable and Bobby was hired specifically because he knows how to work well with the cap.

I’m not sure I see it that way.

Also the biggest component to our success during that era outside of Lowry was our pipeline.

We had OG, Norm, Siakam, FVV, Poeltl, Delon Wright all coming off the bench or doing their time in the G League.

I also disagree that we have movable guys.

There’s no market for IQ, Poeltl, BI and RJ imo. They all got paid a premium on the dollar.

[PushDaRock]

I don’t think that’s too good considering how much we’re paying for it.

We’ll see what the FO does. They had no qualms giving Poeltl an undeserved extension. Let’s see what they do with RJ, he’s certainly been wanting one, FO doesn’t seem ready to play ball yet.

They’re building this team the exact same way they built the last championship. It will take some time and more changes before we get to an ideal roster but we’re currently in the Lowry/Derozan phase of it. The cost thing is way overblown. Every player on this roster is movable and Bobby was hired specifically because he knows how to work well with the cap.

I’m not sure I see it that way.

Also the biggest component to our success during that era outside of Lowry was our pipeline.

We had OG, Norm, Siakam, FVV, Poeltl, Delon Wright all coming off the bench or doing their time in the G League.

I also disagree that we have movable guys.

There’s no market for IQ, Poeltl, BI and RJ imo. They all got paid a premium on the dollar.

What does "no market" mean? We have to give up assets to trade them?

[HumbleRen]

They’re building this team the exact same way they built the last championship. It will take some time and more changes before we get to an ideal roster but we’re currently in the Lowry/Derozan phase of it. The cost thing is way overblown. Every player on this roster is movable and Bobby was hired specifically because he knows how to work well with the cap.

I’m not sure I see it that way.

Also the biggest component to our success during that era outside of Lowry was our pipeline.

We had OG, Norm, Siakam, FVV, Poeltl, Delon Wright all coming off the bench or doing their time in the G League.

I also disagree that we have movable guys.

There’s no market for IQ, Poeltl, BI and RJ imo. They all got paid a premium on the dollar.

What does "no market" mean? We have to give up assets to trade them?

We wouldn’t be able to move them for players straight up, we’d have to attach an additional picks or take on even worse contracts.

[PushDaRock]

I’m not sure I see it that way.

Also the biggest component to our success during that era outside of Lowry was our pipeline.

We had OG, Norm, Siakam, FVV, Poeltl, Delon Wright all coming off the bench or doing their time in the G League.

I also disagree that we have movable guys.

There’s no market for IQ, Poeltl, BI and RJ imo. They all got paid a premium on the dollar.

What does "no market" mean? We have to give up assets to trade them?

We wouldn’t be able to move them for players straight up, we’d have to attach an additional picks or take on even worse contracts.

Do we get back a better or worse player if we add picks?

[LoveMyRaps]

I’m not sure I see it that way.

Also the biggest component to our success during that era outside of Lowry was our pipeline.

We had OG, Norm, Siakam, FVV, Poeltl, Delon Wright all coming off the bench or doing their time in the G League.

I also disagree that we have movable guys.

There’s no market for IQ, Poeltl, BI and RJ imo. They all got paid a premium on the dollar.

What does "no market" mean? We have to give up assets to trade them?

We wouldn’t be able to move them for players straight up, we’d have to attach an additional picks or take on even worse contracts.

I disagree. I don't think we'd have to attach picks to RJ just to get rid of him.

[HumbleRen]

What does "no market" mean? We have to give up assets to trade them?

We wouldn’t be able to move them for players straight up, we’d have to attach an additional picks or take on even worse contracts.

I disagree. I don't think we'd have to attach picks to RJ just to get rid of him.

I do. We’d wouldn’t have to attach picks once he becomes an expiring though, I agree with that.

It’s why the Raps haven’t given him an extension yet. They’ll wait until he’s an expiring to trade him so we don’t have to attach anything to it imo.