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LaMelephant: The LaMelo Ball Thread (#2)

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Re: LaMelephant: The LaMelo Ball Thread (#2) 

Post#1761 » by wilson115 » Today 1:56 am

GiggitySmalls wrote:The mental gymnastics some use to justify LaMelo's pressence on this team are pretty impressive. Ill admitt...it is indeed impressive....sheesh.

Trouble's they're getting pennies on the dollar if they look for a trade right now. Best way to rehab his value's putting a better team around him and FO's got a chance to do that on the cheap with two FRPs in a deep draft. Real reason to doubt they rush into anything until then regardless of our opinions on LaMelo.
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Re: LaMelephant: The LaMelo Ball Thread (#2) 

Post#1762 » by GiggitySmalls » Today 3:42 am

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GiggitySmalls wrote:The mental gymnastics some use to justify LaMelo's pressence on this team are pretty impressive. Ill admitt...it is indeed impressive....sheesh.

Trouble's they're getting pennies on the dollar if they look for a trade right now. Best way to rehab his value's putting a better team around him and FO's got a chance to do that on the cheap with two FRPs in a deep draft. Real reason to doubt they rush into anything until then regardless of our opinions on LaMelo.
But you could dumo melo and his contract take on smaller deals that are up sooner and move forward to bringing in talented point guard. Then you can see what we look like with s point guard on the floor with the roster. Because we can't do that with melo with any sort of consistency. If we had a good pg who played 75 games a year who wasn't melo, id be willing to bet the team woild look alot better. So basically dumping melo frees up a position on the roster to target and fill with talent, and pg is arguably the most important position in basketball. You gotta run the team. It starts with who you're running it with at the 1.

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Re: LaMelephant: The LaMelo Ball Thread (#2) 

Post#1763 » by Duke4life831 » Today 5:41 am

wilson115 wrote:
GiggitySmalls wrote:The mental gymnastics some use to justify LaMelo's pressence on this team are pretty impressive. Ill admitt...it is indeed impressive....sheesh.

Trouble's they're getting pennies on the dollar if they look for a trade right now. Best way to rehab his value's putting a better team around him and FO's got a chance to do that on the cheap with two FRPs in a deep draft. Real reason to doubt they rush into anything until then regardless of our opinions on LaMelo.

Outsider looking in, I come in peace haha. Watched all your games this year so far because of Kon and Sion.

The issue with the “they’re getting pennies on the dollar if they trade him right now” view is, it can easily get to the point where you’re not even getting pennies in return, you have to give up pennies to get rid of him.

As someone who used to root hard for Zion, I saw the “no you can’t trade him right now while his value is this low” for years with the Pelicans. And with each year that value just continued to drop. Same goes for Memphis and Morant.

At some point you might just have to rip the bandaid off and just go full on with a rebuild. This past draft class plus another good draft can be the perfect time to do just that.
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Re: LaMelephant: The LaMelo Ball Thread (#2) 

Post#1764 » by JustBuzzin » Today 6:31 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
wilson115 wrote:
GiggitySmalls wrote:The mental gymnastics some use to justify LaMelo's pressence on this team are pretty impressive. Ill admitt...it is indeed impressive....sheesh.

Trouble's they're getting pennies on the dollar if they look for a trade right now. Best way to rehab his value's putting a better team around him and FO's got a chance to do that on the cheap with two FRPs in a deep draft. Real reason to doubt they rush into anything until then regardless of our opinions on LaMelo.

Outsider looking in, I come in peace haha. Watched all your games this year so far because of Kon and Sion.

The issue with the “they’re getting pennies on the dollar if they trade him right now” view is, it can easily get to the point where you’re not even getting pennies in return, you have to give up pennies to get rid of him.

As someone who used to root hard for Zion, I saw the “no you can’t trade him right now while his value is this low” for years with the Pelicans. And with each year that value just continued to drop. Same goes for Memphis and Morant.

At some point you might just have to rip the bandaid off and just go full on with a rebuild. This past draft class plus another good draft can be the perfect time to do just that.

Yep trading LaMelo right now is actually still possible. If we wait another year we're probably going to be stuck with him for better or worse.

I don't understand how people can't see he has chronic ankle problems. We have to move on ASAP!
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Re: LaMelephant: The LaMelo Ball Thread (#2) 

Post#1765 » by GiggitySmalls » Today 7:27 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
wilson115 wrote:
GiggitySmalls wrote:The mental gymnastics some use to justify LaMelo's pressence on this team are pretty impressive. Ill admitt...it is indeed impressive....sheesh.

Trouble's they're getting pennies on the dollar if they look for a trade right now. Best way to rehab his value's putting a better team around him and FO's got a chance to do that on the cheap with two FRPs in a deep draft. Real reason to doubt they rush into anything until then regardless of our opinions on LaMelo.

Outsider looking in, I come in peace haha. Watched all your games this year so far because of Kon and Sion.

The issue with the “they’re getting pennies on the dollar if they trade him right now” view is, it can easily get to the point where you’re not even getting pennies in return, you have to give up pennies to get rid of him.

As someone who used to root hard for Zion, I saw the “no you can’t trade him right now while his value is this low” for years with the Pelicans. And with each year that value just continued to drop. Same goes for Memphis and Morant.

At some point you might just have to rip the bandaid off and just go full on with a rebuild. This past draft class plus another good draft can be the perfect time to do just that.
I like the band-aid analogy. Take it off let the wound breath and heal organically in the sunlight, and do a proper rebuild. It's quite simply not a question of should he be dealt, but the realization of he absolutely must be dealt. Cut and dry, no if's, and's, or but's.

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Re: LaMelephant: The LaMelo Ball Thread (#2) 

Post#1766 » by Duke4life831 » Today 8:03 am

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Duke4life831 wrote:
wilson115 wrote:Trouble's they're getting pennies on the dollar if they look for a trade right now. Best way to rehab his value's putting a better team around him and FO's got a chance to do that on the cheap with two FRPs in a deep draft. Real reason to doubt they rush into anything until then regardless of our opinions on LaMelo.

Outsider looking in, I come in peace haha. Watched all your games this year so far because of Kon and Sion.

The issue with the “they’re getting pennies on the dollar if they trade him right now” view is, it can easily get to the point where you’re not even getting pennies in return, you have to give up pennies to get rid of him.

As someone who used to root hard for Zion, I saw the “no you can’t trade him right now while his value is this low” for years with the Pelicans. And with each year that value just continued to drop. Same goes for Memphis and Morant.

At some point you might just have to rip the bandaid off and just go full on with a rebuild. This past draft class plus another good draft can be the perfect time to do just that.
I like the band-aid analogy. Take it off let the wound breath and heal organically in the sunlight, and do a proper rebuild. It's quite simply not a question of should he be dealt, but the realization of he absolutely must be dealt. Cut and dry, no if's, and's, or but's.

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Ya and I just think it’s kind of a clear time to do it. I think you guys killed it with the draft. Not just that I think all 4 guys are going to be legit rotation guys, but their style, their team first oriented. All put it in effort on defense (not saying all are great defenders already), all look to make the extra pass, and the ball rarely sticks in their hands. And at the top of the upcoming draft, it’s pretty filled with guys that fit that mold as well.

I just feel like there is a distinct difference between the young guys and LaMelo and the other guys. I think it’s going to be a good time to go full steam in the culture shift.
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Re: LaMelephant: The LaMelo Ball Thread (#2) 

Post#1767 » by JMAC3 » Today 4:18 pm

We should trade him if every time he has a minor injury or a bad game people throw a tantrum.
If the new norm is that he can't get injured and miss anytime moving forward then yes trade him because that is an unrealistic way to view this.

There is no world where LaMelo plays 82 games for the next 3 years, so again if that is the expectation then be mad I guess.

He has played in 16/24 games this year so far.
That is more than Trae Young, Jrue, Morant, Castle, Fox, Jalen Williams, Nembhard, Garland, Coby White, Wemby, Kawhi, Herro, Zion, Cam Thomas, Mathurin, Banchero, AD, Porzingis, Sarr, Embiid, Jordan Poole, Sabonis, Keegan Murray, LeBron, Anunoby, Jalen Green, Nesmith, Tobias Harris, Kessler, Jarrett Allen, Paul George, Zach Edey, Dylan Harper, Tari Eason, Christian Braun, Daniel Gafford and Jaden Ivey.

That is at least 37 other starters in the NBA that have missed more time than he has.

A. he isn't the only NBA starter to miss games this year as I continue to point out.
B. He has missed 8 games and people are freaking out.

I know the argument is going to be this isn't the first time LaMelo has been hurt, and I get that. Which comes back to my initial point, if the new expectation is he can't miss any more time at all then yes trade him because that isn't realistic.

To me this is more about getting him to 55-65 games played this year and building upon that moving forward. Not overreacting to him missing a game here or there.
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Re: LaMelephant: The LaMelo Ball Thread (#2) 

Post#1768 » by JMAC3 » Today 4:22 pm

The overreaction to every single thing is such a bad way to consume sports.
I see it with Panthers fans, who every week change their mind if Bryce Young is the QB going forward. It is every single game.
If the Panthers win, yay Bryce is him.
If Panthers lose, it is panic- start the QB scouting process.
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Re: LaMelephant: The LaMelo Ball Thread (#2) 

Post#1769 » by GiggitySmalls » Today 5:28 pm

JMAC3 wrote:We should trade him if every time he has a minor injury or a bad game people throw a tantrum.
If the new norm is that he can't get injured and miss anytime moving forward then yes trade him because that is an unrealistic way to view this.

There is no world where LaMelo plays 82 games for the next 3 years, so again if that is the expectation then be mad I guess.

He has played in 16/24 games this year so far.
That is more than Trae Young, Jrue, Morant, Castle, Fox, Jalen Williams, Nembhard, Garland, Coby White, Wemby, Kawhi, Herro, Zion, Cam Thomas, Mathurin, Banchero, AD, Porzingis, Sarr, Embiid, Jordan Poole, Sabonis, Keegan Murray, LeBron, Anunoby, Jalen Green, Nesmith, Tobias Harris, Kessler, Jarrett Allen, Paul George, Zach Edey, Dylan Harper, Tari Eason, Christian Braun, Daniel Gafford and Jaden Ivey.

That is at least 37 other starters in the NBA that have missed more time than he has.

A. he isn't the only NBA starter to miss games this year as I continue to point out.
B. He has missed 8 games and people are freaking out.

I know the argument is going to be this isn't the first time LaMelo has been hurt, and I get that. Which comes back to my initial point, if the new expectation is he can't miss any more time at all then yes trade him because that isn't realistic.

To me this is more about getting him to 55-65 games played this year and building upon that moving forward. Not overreacting to him missing a game here or there.
Ok so we are in year 4 of melo missing games and getting injured. But yeah lets get him to 55 games, which awful availability. Cuz he would almost have to play every game with the games hes gonna miss after his newest injury to hit 65, and that won't happen. But hey if he doesn't get there run it back next year when hes injured again for 5 straight year. Such an awful take.

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Re: LaMelephant: The LaMelo Ball Thread (#2) 

Post#1770 » by fatlever » 59 minutes ago

Melo played in 16 of 24
But....
How many of those 16 was he on a minutes restriction? How many of those 16 was he working himself back into shape after missing games? How many of those 16 was he playing at 75%? How many of those 16 games did he play but got injured part way through?

I'm guessing we've had maybe five games so far this season of a fully healthy melo playing at 100%

Whenever he returns from this latest rolled ankle, whether that be our next game or 3 weeks from now, we all know there will probably be another round of minutes restrictions, or games where he's playing 75% working his way back into rhythm.

This is not to say that we should trade him or shouldn't trade him, this is merely just pointing out that 16 games played is very misleading.

I'm pretty indifferent right now on Trading him.

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Re: LaMelephant: The LaMelo Ball Thread (#2) 

Post#1771 » by Chapelchilla » 30 minutes ago

Before the game last night I was walking in the season ticket holder entrance by the practice court.
Melo was in there shooting with a coach. He actually looked fine so thought he might be playing.
He didn't obviously but he may not be all that hurt either.
Still, if we can get a good deal for him it may not be too bad an idea to take it.

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