[Charania] Jakob Extended - 4 Years $104m

[DelAbbot]

Currently Poeltl is owed

19,500,000 in 2026-27 age 31
27,300,000 in 2027-28 age 32
29,484,000 in 2028-29 age 33
27,300,000 in 2029-30 age 34


Bobby is a cap expert, but that's like saying you want an expert tax accountant to manage your investment portfolio.

[Psubs]

Memphis looks good with Coward and Edey, without Ja playing.

[HumbleRen]

Every part of the Jakob deal has been a complete mess.

And when we finally need him... he's injured and can't compete like we need him to.

I said it at the same that the trade would have long term effects that hurt us for the rest of the 2020’s.

It’s not Poeltl’s fault. He’s a fine player. Our FO was just extremely desperate and Poeltl and his agent took full advantage of it.

Because this team without a competent C looks amazing. Oh ya, I forgot, we wanted to tank for all of the 2020's

This is such an unfair take though that just completely disregards context around that trade.

We were SEVEN games below .500 when we made the Poeltl trade, proceeded to get humiliated in the play in game. Devalued our 2023 pick, lost our 2024 pick and let FVV and Poeltl build their value during that cupcake schedule down the stretch of the season.

FVV got the bag and Poeltl got all the leverage over of us. Yay us. Despite all that, we still extended him this recent summer that pays him until 2030 when he’s already peaked age wise.

[bluerap23]

anyone here try to play ball with a bad back?

It’s almost as if you shouldn’t extend a limited center who just turned 30 until 2030.

lol, guys don't just fall apart at 30. He could have injured his back in the exact same way at 22. He'll be fine.

[YogurtProducer]

anyone here try to play ball with a bad back?

anyone here try to extend an aging center unnecessarily at overpay prices?

Wait, Jak is an overpay now?

The guys deal isn't even fully guaranteed.

[YogurtProducer]

anyone here try to play ball with a bad back?

It’s almost as if you shouldn’t extend a limited center who just turned 30 until 2030.

lol, guys don't just fall apart at 30. He could have injured his back in the exact same way at 22. He'll be fine.

It isn't like you hurt your back and its **** for life either.

He has no history of back injuries (or really any injuries at all outside surgery on his pinky last year)

[MiamiSPX]

We need to add another C so Poeltl can just sit for a month or so until he's right. Not sure how you approach this with a 30-year old but it's time for the Raps to put him on a conditioning program next summer, if he's receptive to it.

It's perfectly valid for us hardcore fans to be concerned with how Poeltl is going to fare in his age 33-34 seasons making 27M+. I really don't know how anyone can say as of right now they feel great about it.

[HumbleRen]

anyone here try to play ball with a bad back?

It’s almost as if you shouldn’t extend a limited center who just turned 30 until 2030.

lol, guys don't just fall apart at 30. He could have injured his back in the exact same way at 22. He'll be fine.

Most big men do actually lol. The ones who are able to extend their career into their mid 30’s are the ones who can shoot the 3.

Just look at the big men in the east.

KAT is under 30.
Duren is under 30.
Okenga is under 30.
Wendell Carter is under 30.
Queta is under 30.
Bam and Kel Ware are under 30.
Jarrett Allen and Mobley are under 30.
Myles Turner is under 30.
Mitchell Robinson is under 30.

Andre Drummond is barely over 30 and he’s washed.
Poeltl is 30.

These are all of the big men of the playoff teams in the east right now. We got the 2nd oldest center who’s already peaked defensively years ago.

The center position is a young man’s game. It ain’t friendly to bigs who can’t play in space on defence or is unable to stretch the floor on offence.

[Duffman100]

We were all calling Poeltl washed at the beginning of the season and then he had a great stretch of ball. Looks like the back has flared back up again.

We really need a legit backup center that isn't Mamu. Someone who has some size. Again confused why we didn't take Raynaud with our 2nd rounder

[PushDaRock]

anyone here try to play ball with a bad back?

anyone here try to extend an aging center unnecessarily at overpay prices?

Myles Turner?

[Duffman100]

It’s almost as if you shouldn’t extend a limited center who just turned 30 until 2030.

lol, guys don't just fall apart at 30. He could have injured his back in the exact same way at 22. He'll be fine.

Most big men do actually lol. The ones who are able to extend their career into their mid 30’s are the ones who can shoot the 3.

Just look at the big men in the east.

KAT is under 30.
Duren is under 30.
Okenga is under 30.
Wendell Carter is under 30.
Queta is under 30.
Bam and Kel Ware are under 30.
Jarrett Allen and Mobley are under 30.
Myles Turner is under 30.
Mitchell Robinson is under 30.

Andre Drummond is barely over 30 and he’s washed.
Poeltl is 30.

These are all of the big men of the playoff teams in the east right now. We got the 2nd oldest center who’s already peaked defensively years ago.

The center position is a young man’s game. It ain’t friendly to bigs who can’t play in space on defence or is unable to stretch the floor on offence.

Drummond is a pretty bad example as he always lack any sort of skill and always relied on out jumping and out hustling his opponents. That isn't Poeltl.

[JB7]

I said it at the same that the trade would have long term effects that hurt us for the rest of the 2020’s.

It’s not Poeltl’s fault. He’s a fine player. Our FO was just extremely desperate and Poeltl and his agent took full advantage of it.

Because this team without a competent C looks amazing. Oh ya, I forgot, we wanted to tank for all of the 2020's

This is such an unfair take though that just completely disregards context around that trade.

We were SEVEN games below .500 when we made the Poeltl trade, proceeded to get humiliated in the play in game. Devalued our 2023 pick, lost our 2024 pick and let FVV and Poeltl build their value during that cupcake schedule down the stretch of the season.

FVV got the bag and Poeltl got all the leverage over of us. Yay us. Despite all that, we still extended him this recent summer that pays him until 2030 when he’s already peaked age wise.

The team tried to go without a competent C, for a bit, and it led nowhere. They were waiting on Yak, because the Spurs were trying to max out the value they could get in a return. There were not that many decent C's available. And he was a player they trusted. They could not build a team around Scottie without a C.

And in terms of the 2023 draft pick, other than getting lucky in the draft for Wemby (which was not going to happen), who did they miss out on? Maybe Amen. Even then, he is a replica of Scottie. The 2024 draft was known to be weak, and they missed out on Edey? It is hard to build a successful team when you surround your young developing star with rookies.

Yak is not that overpaid. Turner is 1 year younger, and just got a deal that pays him $6M more than Yak this season, $7M more next season, and then the deals are even in years 3 & 4, but Turner can opt out in year 4, while the Raps have an opt out on the 5th year of Yak's deal, a year that already declines.

[HumbleRen]

lol, guys don't just fall apart at 30. He could have injured his back in the exact same way at 22. He'll be fine.

Most big men do actually lol. The ones who are able to extend their career into their mid 30’s are the ones who can shoot the 3.

Just look at the big men in the east.

KAT is under 30.
Duren is under 30.
Okenga is under 30.
Wendell Carter is under 30.
Queta is under 30.
Bam and Kel Ware are under 30.
Jarrett Allen and Mobley are under 30.
Myles Turner is under 30.
Mitchell Robinson is under 30.

Andre Drummond is barely over 30 and he’s washed.
Poeltl is 30.

These are all of the big men of the playoff teams in the east right now. We got the 2nd oldest center who’s already peaked defensively years ago.

The center position is a young man’s game. It ain’t friendly to bigs who can’t play in space on defence or is unable to stretch the floor on offence.

Drummond is a pretty bad example as he always lack any sort of skill and always relied on out jumping and out hustling his opponents. That isn't Poeltl.

Sure but he was a former all nba player and multi all star. That’s more than Poeltl can say.

Poeltl will age more gracefully than Andre but do I believe he’ll be a starting caliber center in the next 2 years? No I don’t.

[HumbleRen]

Because this team without a competent C looks amazing. Oh ya, I forgot, we wanted to tank for all of the 2020's

This is such an unfair take though that just completely disregards context around that trade.

We were SEVEN games below .500 when we made the Poeltl trade, proceeded to get humiliated in the play in game. Devalued our 2023 pick, lost our 2024 pick and let FVV and Poeltl build their value during that cupcake schedule down the stretch of the season.

FVV got the bag and Poeltl got all the leverage over of us. Yay us. Despite all that, we still extended him this recent summer that pays him until 2030 when he’s already peaked age wise.

The team tried to go without a competent C, for a bit, and it led nowhere. They were waiting on Yak, because the Spurs were trying to max out the value they could get in a return. There were not that many decent C's available. And he was a player they trusted. They could not build a team around Scottie without a C.

And in terms of the 2023 draft pick, other than getting lucky in the draft for Wemby (which was not going to happen), who did they miss out on? Maybe Amen. Even then, he is a replica of Scottie. The 2024 draft was known to be weak, and they missed out on Edey? It is hard to build a successful team when you surround your young developing star with rookies.

Yak is not that overpaid. Turner is 1 year younger, and just got a deal that pays him $6M more than Yak this season, $7M more next season, and then the deals are even in years 3 & 4, but Turner can opt out in year 4, while the Raps have an opt out on the 5th year of Yak's deal, a year that already declines.

Amen, Ausar, Anthony Black, Cason Wallace, etc. Any of those players would be a huge get for our team.

Yes, Edey was the clear choice imo. He’s already better than Poeltl. Even Kel Ware has been a stud.

We didn’t have to be desperate to get Poeltl because the FO had 0 interest in paying FVV, OG and Siakam long term wise. What was the point in overpaying to get Poeltl when you had 0 intentions of paying the core.

[YogurtProducer]

lol, guys don't just fall apart at 30. He could have injured his back in the exact same way at 22. He'll be fine.

Most big men do actually lol. The ones who are able to extend their career into their mid 30’s are the ones who can shoot the 3.

Just look at the big men in the east.

KAT is under 30.
Duren is under 30.
Okenga is under 30.
Wendell Carter is under 30.
Queta is under 30.
Bam and Kel Ware are under 30.
Jarrett Allen and Mobley are under 30.
Myles Turner is under 30.
Mitchell Robinson is under 30.

Andre Drummond is barely over 30 and he’s washed.
Poeltl is 30.

These are all of the big men of the playoff teams in the east right now. We got the 2nd oldest center who’s already peaked defensively years ago.

The center position is a young man’s game. It ain’t friendly to bigs who can’t play in space on defence or is unable to stretch the floor on offence.

Drummond is a pretty bad example as he always lack any sort of skill and always relied on out jumping and out hustling his opponents. That isn't Poeltl.

Yeah, Poeltl is a guy who relies on his head more than his body really. I don't expect him to be as good when he is in the last year of his deal as he is now, but I would also be shocked if he was absolutely useless. Smart big men tend to last longer in this league. The ones who flail out early are the ones who are only good because they are big.

It is important to remember who the 30+ year old centers are in the world right now. Those would be the guys who were in their early-mid 20s in the mid 2010's. Remember who was making all-nba teams in the 2010s? Deandre Jordan made 3, including the first team one year. Drummond made one. Noah made the 1st team averaging 12/11/5 on 47% shooting. These are guys that would barely be making all-star teams nowadays. Nowadays, our all-nba centers are Jokic, Wemby, KAT, Embiid, Sabonis, Duren, etc. There is a half dozen plus guys who are better than DeAndre Jordan ever was.

[JB7]

This is such an unfair take though that just completely disregards context around that trade.

We were SEVEN games below .500 when we made the Poeltl trade, proceeded to get humiliated in the play in game. Devalued our 2023 pick, lost our 2024 pick and let FVV and Poeltl build their value during that cupcake schedule down the stretch of the season.

FVV got the bag and Poeltl got all the leverage over of us. Yay us. Despite all that, we still extended him this recent summer that pays him until 2030 when he’s already peaked age wise.

The team tried to go without a competent C, for a bit, and it led nowhere. They were waiting on Yak, because the Spurs were trying to max out the value they could get in a return. There were not that many decent C's available. And he was a player they trusted. They could not build a team around Scottie without a C.

And in terms of the 2023 draft pick, other than getting lucky in the draft for Wemby (which was not going to happen), who did they miss out on? Maybe Amen. Even then, he is a replica of Scottie. The 2024 draft was known to be weak, and they missed out on Edey? It is hard to build a successful team when you surround your young developing star with rookies.

Yak is not that overpaid. Turner is 1 year younger, and just got a deal that pays him $6M more than Yak this season, $7M more next season, and then the deals are even in years 3 & 4, but Turner can opt out in year 4, while the Raps have an opt out on the 5th year of Yak's deal, a year that already declines.

Amen, Ausar, Anthony Black, Cason Wallace, etc. Any of those players would be a huge get for our team.

Yes, Edey was the clear choice imo. He’s already better than Poeltl. Even Kel Ware has been a stud.

We didn’t have to be desperate to get Poeltl because the FO had 0 interest in paying FVV, OG and Siakam long term wise. What was the point in overpaying to get Poeltl when you had 0 intentions of paying the core.

They were trying to build a team around Scottie. Couldn't wait until Scottie was like 26/27 until they had a competent C.

And Edey is not better than Yak. Edey at 23 has only played 11 games this season, compared to the old guy Yak, with a bad back, who has played 18 games.

[PushDaRock]

It’s almost as if you shouldn’t extend a limited center who just turned 30 until 2030.

lol, guys don't just fall apart at 30. He could have injured his back in the exact same way at 22. He'll be fine.

Most big men do actually lol. The ones who are able to extend their career into their mid 30’s are the ones who can shoot the 3.

Just look at the big men in the east.

KAT is under 30.
Duren is under 30.
Okenga is under 30.
Wendell Carter is under 30.
Queta is under 30.
Bam and Kel Ware are under 30.
Jarrett Allen and Mobley are under 30.
Myles Turner is under 30.
Mitchell Robinson is under 30.

Andre Drummond is barely over 30 and he’s washed.
Poeltl is 30.

These are all of the big men of the playoff teams in the east right now. We got the 2nd oldest center who’s already peaked defensively years ago.

The center position is a young man’s game. It ain’t friendly to bigs who can’t play in space on defence or is unable to stretch the floor on offence.

KAT is the same age as Jak

This is also a pretty disingenuous argument because age alone isn't the biggest factor. Mileage plays a larger factor along with major injuries. Jak came into the league later than a lot of these guys and has less mileage on him with no real major injury issues. He's still under 14k mins played in his career.

Drummond is getting close to 25k mins played in his career in comparison.

Allen is at 16k mins, Turner is at 19k mins, Bam is at 18k mins, KAT at almost 23k mins.

Most of these vets you listed have more mileage on them than Jak.

[DelAbbot]

anyone here try to play ball with a bad back?

anyone here try to extend an aging center unnecessarily at overpay prices?

Myles Turner?

That move by Indiana was actually smart - they had cap space in that 2022/2023 season and they frontloaded Turner's contract extension into that cap space, so that his 2 year extension following 2022/2023 was at a below market aav.

Key Details of the Extension:
When: January 2023.
Term: Two years, through the 2024-25 season.
Value: $60 million total.
Renegotiation: Added $17.1 million to his 2022-23 salary, the largest renegotiation in NBA history at the time.

[HumbleRen]

Most big men do actually lol. The ones who are able to extend their career into their mid 30’s are the ones who can shoot the 3.

Just look at the big men in the east.

KAT is under 30.
Duren is under 30.
Okenga is under 30.
Wendell Carter is under 30.
Queta is under 30.
Bam and Kel Ware are under 30.
Jarrett Allen and Mobley are under 30.
Myles Turner is under 30.
Mitchell Robinson is under 30.

Andre Drummond is barely over 30 and he’s washed.
Poeltl is 30.

These are all of the big men of the playoff teams in the east right now. We got the 2nd oldest center who’s already peaked defensively years ago.

The center position is a young man’s game. It ain’t friendly to bigs who can’t play in space on defence or is unable to stretch the floor on offence.

Drummond is a pretty bad example as he always lack any sort of skill and always relied on out jumping and out hustling his opponents. That isn't Poeltl.

Yeah, Poeltl is a guy who relies on his head more than his body really. I don't expect him to be as good when he is in the last year of his deal as he is now, but I would also be shocked if he was absolutely useless. Smart big men tend to last longer in this league. The ones who flail out early are the ones who are only good because they are big.

It is important to remember who the 30+ year old centers are in the world right now. Those would be the guys who were in their early-mid 20s in the mid 2010's. Remember who was making all-nba teams in the 2010s? Deandre Jordan made 3, including the first team one year. Drummond made one. Noah made the 1st team averaging 12/11/5 on 47% shooting. These are guys that would barely be making all-star teams nowadays. Nowadays, our all-nba centers are Jokic, Wemby, KAT, Embiid, Sabonis, Duren, etc. There is a half dozen plus guys who are better than DeAndre Jordan ever was.

Ah I disagree. Deandre Jordan was a legit rim deterrent. He’d be more than fine at his peak in today’s NBA. His rim deterrence and vertical spacing would pop even more now with all of the spacing and PNR offence we have in today’s NBA.

Derrick Lively and Deandre Ayton were able to be starting centers on legit finals teams. Deandre Jordan at his peak was much better than them.

Poeltl will age fine on offence, it’s his defence I’m worried about. His defence peaked on the Spurs. He’s been more of a boon to us on offence than he has been on defence. The gap will only get wider on that end now that he’s 30.

This isn’t a big deal if we can find a competent back up 7 footer but we can’t count on that with this FO.

[LoveMyRaps]

I still think IQ's contract is fine but boy oh boy, Poeltl's extension was a mistake.