The Washington Commanders Thread Pt. 2

Wizardspride · Post #441 » by **Wizardspride** » Fri Dec 5, 2025 6:12 pm

TGW · Post #442 » by **TGW** » Sun Dec 7, 2025 7:58 pm

They have completely failed in their development of Daniels. I said last season that they shouldn't encourage Daniels to scramble, and that he's going to be an injury concern if they don't work on his pocket passing. Well here we are.

This is exactly why I wanted Drake Maye. I like Daniels, but he's going to be injury prone with his play style.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #443 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Dec 8, 2025 1:17 am

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TGW wrote:They have completely failed in their development of Daniels. I said last season that they shouldn't encourage Daniels to scramble, and that he's going to be an injury concern if they don't work on his pocket passing. Well here we are.

This is exactly why I wanted Drake Maye. I like Daniels, but he's going to be injury prone with his play style.

This has been an organizational brain fart.

Mariota should have been named the starter for the last 5 games. Jayden McDaniels never should have played. What reason was he out there in an already hopeless, lost season? Predictably, he now is freshly injured. The loss was 0-31. Mariota would have been better.

The Commanders need to fire some people. This is inexcusable.

Dark Faze · Post #444 » by **Dark Faze** » Mon Dec 8, 2025 1:19 am

Close your eyes for two seconds and you can imagine Maye looking sad on the bench as we get blown out night after night. This is an organizational issue that can only be overcome with top tier talent. We exceeded expectations last year and we all felt better, but prior to last year many of us were not happy with the Quinn + Kingsbury combination and for good reason.

JD5 was chosen because we felt if his legs were taken from him he'd be fine as a passer. And he looked the part last year. Threw with anticipation and was highly accurate. Things have not been the same this year and I think it's been due to a domino effect of issues. Unlike RG3 year 2, we don't have some other QB that's flawlessly running the offense and showing its true potential. The team looks just as bad if not worse with Mariota. So that doesn't speak well of Kingsbury.

JD is physically ready but not mentally ready to return and shouldn't have come back. This isn't like RG3 year 2 where things seemed to work well with the backup on the field. Things remained absolutely terrible with Mariota. Something is fundamentally broken with this offense. Defense was also broke last year but they had enough ups and downs and were carried by the offense. So with this being 2 years in a row of bad defense, it becomes pretty clear that Quinn (as a defensive HC)/Whitt should be on the hot seat.

I'm not impressed with Kliff either, but he's had one good year and one bad year.

I wouldn't want to be Peters. Going to be very tough figuring out what to do. Mostly because the coaching options to replace don't look that good.

TGW · Post #445 » by **TGW** » Mon Dec 8, 2025 1:21 am

If Tomlin is available, I'd go after him. He knows how to squeeze the most juice out of his players.

lastemp3ror · Post #446 » by **lastemp3ror** » Mon Dec 8, 2025 2:25 am

I am not saying heads should roll yet, but if we are going there, Peters should be the first head to roll. He hasn't really drafted well, and when we should have kept rebuilding, we traded picks away instead.

9 and 20 · Post #447 » by **9 and 20** » Mon Dec 8, 2025 2:33 am

Who's going to win more games this year, the Commodes or the Washington Chicken Wings?

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #448 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Dec 8, 2025 4:44 am

TGW wrote:If Tomlin is available, I'd go after him. He knows how to squeeze the most juice out of his players.

Pittsburgh beat Baltimore today. Currently, at 7-6, they lead their division.

If they do end up letting Tomlin go, he would be a huge hire,

Dark Faze · Post #449 » by **Dark Faze** » Mon Dec 8, 2025 3:26 pm

My issues with Tomlin:

Defensive minded coach. This defense might not be fixable anytime soon. We've had good defensive guys in Rivera and Quinn come in here and have horrible results, the former of which invested like 4 years of consistent high draft picks. I know that sounds weird that I'm saying a defensive guy can't fix the defense, but I think it's going to take years of roster overhauling to address. In the meantime, the path to success is through fixing the offense and having that unit carry the team much like last year. I think we're much more able to address that issue than the defense, and an offensive coach would likely maximize our potential there.

If you fire Quinn, you can probably get an up and coming offensive coordinator to take the upgrade to head coach. I'm not sure how successful we'll be in getting strong coordinators to take a lateral move to be a coordinator here.

Post #450 » by **Rafael122** » Mon Dec 8, 2025 4:39 pm

lastemp3ror wrote:I am not saying heads should roll yet, but if we are going there, Peters should be the first head to roll. He hasn't really drafted well, and when we should have kept rebuilding, we traded picks away instead.

The only person I would let go would be Whitt. Here's the issue:

- I think Peters thought this was a 3 year project at the very least. Rivera left this team in shambles when it came to drafting players. I believe only like 3-4 players still remain on the team from the Rivera regime. I believe he also went through 6 draft cycles. So when you put that all together, this team like 25-53 is bereft of talent.

- We overachieved last year. Going back to my first point, wouldn't be shocked if internal thinking was let's win 6 games, it's an improvement on the year before, and we'll make another jump year 2. Going to the NFC title game was the worse thing to happen to this franchise because...

- Now the thinking was let's get more vet heavy, sign one year deal guys and make a push to go to the Super Bowl. Their thinking was probably 6 wins Y1, 8-9 wins Y2, then the leap Y3.

That didn't work. Then there's the Terry situation, the defense being crap, the Lattimore trade. NFL is probably the only league where you can win 3 games 1 year and win 12 the next. Look at Chicago. This regime deserves to see it out, IMO. They have a ton of cap space, more than likely a top 10 pick. Truthfully, there is no excuse for them not to make significant upgrades to the roster. The schedule was also pretty rough, we played a 1st place schedule essentially. Next year is somewhat tough, but we have the AFC South next season and probably play a division's 4th place team.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #451 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Dec 8, 2025 9:20 pm

lastemp3ror wrote:I am not saying heads should roll yet, but if we are going there, Peters should be the first head to roll. He hasn't really drafted well, and when we should have kept rebuilding, we traded picks away instead.

Peters should go for his poor decisions since the Marshon Lattimore trade. I knew it and argued vociferously from the beginning. Do not trade draft capital for older, injured, diminishing returns veterans. That was all-in, win-now, myopia. It also exhausted cap money that was no longer available to retain positive contributors who had played well as Washington Commanders.

Peters should roll.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #452 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Dec 8, 2025 9:28 pm

Rafael122 wrote:
lastemp3ror wrote:I am not saying heads should roll yet, but if we are going there, Peters should be the first head to roll. He hasn't really drafted well, and when we should have kept rebuilding, we traded picks away instead.

The only person I would let go would be Whitt. Here's the issue:

- I think Peters thought this was a 3 year project at the very least. Rivera left this team in shambles when it came to drafting players. I believe only like 3-4 players still remain on the team from the Rivera regime. I believe he also went through 6 draft cycles. So when you put that all together, this team like 25-53 is bereft of talent.

- We overachieved last year. Going back to my first point, wouldn't be shocked if internal thinking was let's win 6 games, it's an improvement on the year before, and we'll make another jump year 2. Going to the NFC title game was the worse thing to happen to this franchise because...

- Now the thinking was let's get more vet heavy, sign one year deal guys and make a push to go to the Super Bowl. Their thinking was probably 6 wins Y1, 8-9 wins Y2, then the leap Y3.

That didn't work. Then there's the Terry situation, the defense being crap, the Lattimore trade. NFL is probably the only league where you can win 3 games 1 year and win 12 the next. Look at Chicago. This regime deserves to see it out, IMO. They have a ton of cap space, more than likely a top 10 pick. Truthfully, there is no excuse for them not to make significant upgrades to the roster. The schedule was also pretty rough, we played a 1st place schedule essentially. Next year is somewhat tough, but we have the AFC South next season and probably play a division's 4th place team.

I would not make a good GM.

I would never have negotiated with Terry McLaurin. When he held out the last year the deal would have been hold out and not get paid or report by a certain date. He should not have had time to throw the team off. No way would that have gone on past week 3, if that. McLaurin never should have gotten to his last year. I don't remember if the Commanders offered him a new deal in the middle of last season but they should have done so evern before the Commanders lost in the playoffs.

My thinking is that I understand Terry deserved his bank. Since he pulled a power move holdout, I would have made him earn his payday from another team, or perhaps matched another offer. I would not have let Terry hold the team hostage, kill the mojo, and then selfishly get his. Heck no.

He's too close to 30.

lastemp3ror · Post #453 » by **lastemp3ror** » Tue Dec 9, 2025 12:58 am

Rafael122 wrote:
lastemp3ror wrote:I am not saying heads should roll yet, but if we are going there, Peters should be the first head to roll. He hasn't really drafted well, and when we should have kept rebuilding, we traded picks away instead.

The only person I would let go would be Whitt. Here's the issue:

- I think Peters thought this was a 3 year project at the very least. Rivera left this team in shambles when it came to drafting players. I believe only like 3-4 players still remain on the team from the Rivera regime. I believe he also went through 6 draft cycles. So when you put that all together, this team like 25-53 is bereft of talent.

- We overachieved last year. Going back to my first point, wouldn't be shocked if internal thinking was let's win 6 games, it's an improvement on the year before, and we'll make another jump year 2. Going to the NFC title game was the worse thing to happen to this franchise because...

- Now the thinking was let's get more vet heavy, sign one year deal guys and make a push to go to the Super Bowl. Their thinking was probably 6 wins Y1, 8-9 wins Y2, then the leap Y3.

That didn't work. Then there's the Terry situation, the defense being crap, the Lattimore trade. NFL is probably the only league where you can win 3 games 1 year and win 12 the next. Look at Chicago. This regime deserves to see it out, IMO. They have a ton of cap space, more than likely a top 10 pick. Truthfully, there is no excuse for them not to make significant upgrades to the roster. The schedule was also pretty rough, we played a 1st place schedule essentially. Next year is somewhat tough, but we have the AFC South next season and probably play a division's 4th place team.

I am not sure that was Peters thought pattern. Did he not use the term "re-tooling" when he was hired? Someone who says that isn't thinking that team was left in shambles under Riveria. Also his actions (trading for Lattimore, Tunsil, one year deals, etc) doesn't suggest it either.

With the number of holes on this team, we are years away from being a contender. This isn't a three-year plan

DukeLecker · Post #454 » by **DukeLecker** » Tue Dec 9, 2025 1:52 am

That Daniels has been injured 4 times this season has overshadowed the fact his play has been mediocre to very bad. Objectively speaking Griffins 2nd year was very bad, but comparatively, it dwarfs Daniels second year, which is very concerning.

Daniels best game this season was against Chicago, and he still fumbled away that game and had a terrible pick in the red zone. Yesterday Daniels was Griffin level bad against the Buccaneers. The infamous Jay Gruden post game rant on Griffins lack of fundamentals.

gambitx777 · Post #455 » by **gambitx777** » Tue Dec 9, 2025 8:11 am

Big post incoming, I did a lot of research on this one so please give it a read.

Peters rolled the dice on a microve and it might kill the team for a decade if he's not careful

Let's talk about it

#1 the latimore trade was just stupid. He was clearly gonna get cut or bought out sooner or later. You could have had him for free or someone else stupid traded for him and you don't loose all that draft capital. Now he's gonna be gone.

#2 the LT trade wasnt horrible if it was the only trade you made that year.

#3 debo was in the same boat and for the life of me if the reports that buff offered anything for him and we turned it down are true another stupid move by peters.

#4 the Terry deal shouldn't have happened. I'm sorry but that he stuck it out think. **** that he got paid to be here and he ultimately chose his road. That deal was terrible. He should have been traded or let go.

Now. Where are we at

The oldest team in the league pretty much. Our defense is in shambles up front and our pass catching core is absolutely dead in the water. We have 5 picks 1'3'5'6'7, high picks in each round. But we gave our second and 4ths away. We didn't get any comp picks we missed out by one pick in the 7th round cuz those have a cap.

We don't have much to trade since a lot of our team was on one year deals. Terry could be moved but the time to do that was this deadline before his deal kicked in. All the older guys who blew out body oarts on one year deals should not be brought back. We need to go bargain shopping for young up side.

The burkes accusation was smart he's young and has a little upside. We haven't been drafting bad under peters. The line isn't in bad shape And the secondary has potential but doesn't have much depth.

The Jayden situation isn't good. They haven't cultivated him properly. He has the talent to be a pocket passer but they are letting him scramble too much. They also aren't putting enough weight on him. They really let the star studded magic season he had go to his head. If he can go back, refocus and work on fundamentals and his body he can still be a solid to really good NFL QB. But, all the first 100 mill a year man bull **** really go to him and the glow of what ended up being dumb luck in team form, took away from his development like he was ready. He wasn't and isn't. Go back to looking at him like a project because he is one.

So where do we go from here.

We should be having the trade Jayden discussion but no one's gonna wanna here that. I would call Cleveland and see if we can get that deshaun package for him and shadur and start in on the rebuild we should have had. Draft another guy with our top 5 pick this year and let shadur and the to be named top pick battle it out. But, again no one is going to want to have that talk.

So we'll shelve that.

We need to tank and go for a top three pick. There are 3 good QBs in this draft at the top and we could potentially trade back with a team in QB desperation mode. Trade that Top 3-6 pick for some big big value! Maybe break even or come out a head on all the bad moves. Personally we should be trading back in every **** round this year. Especially 1 and 2 .

We need to keep the OL up, we need a WR, A stud RB, we need pass rush and depth just about everywhere and unless one of our younger TE wake up tomorrow and become magic we need a #1 TE too.

Free agents

Notable Offensive Players:
Deebo Samuel (WR)
Marcus Mariota (QB)
Zach Ertz (TE)
Austin Ekeler (RB)
Noah Brown (WR)
Chris Rodriguez Jr. (RB)
Andrew Wylie (T/G)
Tress Way (P)
Jeremy McNichols (RB)
Tyree Jackson (TE)
Chris Paul (G)

Notable Defensive Players:
Bobby Wagner (LB)
Von Miller (EDGE)
Deatrich Wise (EDGE)
Jonathan Jones (CB)
Noah Igbinoghene (CB)
Darnell Savage (S)

I would only bring back
Igbinoghene (questionable)
Paul (if he's cheap)
Rodrigez jr(questionable)
Mariota
Jackson (He's huge)
Way(until the wheels fall off or he asks for too much)
Not on the list but I believe they aren't signed long term
Niang
Burkes

The practice squad guys and late round picks from years past can have a shot too

But that's it every one else on that list can go!
Also latimore has no money left on the deal, cut his ass.

I would also very much see where we could move terry if a team comes up short on the free agent market.

Where we can look to move on? Some names to watch in free agency

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/29046/jonah-williams

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/32283/jalen-thompson

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/72459/malcolm-koonce

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/72437/tutu-atwell

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/72462/dyami-brown yes I know lol

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47633/yetur-gross-matos

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/72445/andre-cisco

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/29107/dremont-jones

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/72383/kyle-pitts

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/72450/joseph-ossai

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/76855/evan-neal

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47649/aj-epenesa

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/77155/rashid-shaheed

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/72412/joe-tryon

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47814/kamren-curl Yes I know lol

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/72482/ifeatu-melifonwu

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/76919/wandale-robinson

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/76917/kenneth-walker

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/72411/odafe-oweh

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/72430/azeez-ojulari

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/77486/kader-kohou

Can we afford some of these guys probably not, but can we get some of them absolutely.

If we want to take a flyer on Aiyuk, that's fine but I would do one year at higher money or lower money and years on the deal, not both.

Now if we want to go big game hunting on guys like Hendrickson and mack to try and fix the pass rush, I wouldn't but, Ok fine what ever. But, I would build the team up first. We are not there yet. We need to bet on young talent and upside and move on from old expensive washed up players.

I would also trade anyone over 30 who isn't on the O line.

Thanks for taking the time. That's how I see it.

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popper · Post #456 » by **popper** » Tue Dec 9, 2025 1:15 pm

Since Johnny Newton hasn't really excelled at DT I'd give him a chance at DE. He'd want to lose 15 lbs or so but I think it's worth a look.

Wizardspride · Post #457 » by **Wizardspride** » Tue Dec 9, 2025 3:44 pm

popper wrote:Since Johnny Newton hasn't really excelled at DT I'd give him a chance at DE. He'd want to lose 15 lbs or so but I think it's worth a look.

It's definitely worth a try

He's undersized as a DT but as a DE.....it might work.

gambitx777 · Post #458 » by **gambitx777** » Tue Dec 9, 2025 3:52 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
popper wrote:Since Johnny Newton hasn't really excelled at DT I'd give him a chance at DE. He'd want to lose 15 lbs or so but I think it's worth a look.

It's definitely worth a try

He's undersized as a DT but as a DE.....it might work.

That elephant end concept does work. Kinlawn is doing well!

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Wizardspride · Post #459 » by **Wizardspride** » Tue Dec 9, 2025 4:50 pm

On the bright side, we're about to get much younger as a team.

Most of our "age" are free agents.

Post #460 » by **Rafael122** » Tue Dec 9, 2025 7:09 pm

I'm not going to pretend to know how the salary stuff works in the NFL, but these are players I would target based on ESPN's top 2026 NFL free agents:

Isaiah Likely from the Ravens. They just extended Andrews. I suppose they could always extend Likely, but it sounds like he's heading to free agency.

Travis Jones from the Ravens. Not a guy that's gonna get you 12 sacks a year, but he commands double teams and puts pressure.

Breece Hall. We need a home run hitter at the running back position.

I would bring in Aiyuk on a veteran laden deal, and then go after Romeo Doubs as another receiver.