[Charania] Jakob Extended - 4 Years $104m

[MiamiSPX]

Bam makes $50M next year. There is no world you can build a contender paying a guy like Bam $50M. He doesn’t bring more to the offence than RJ does, and he isn’t enough of a defensive upgrade.

I’m taking RJ + Jak > Bam every damn day. Especially when they’re cheaper combined. If we were in more of a consolidation phase with excess bench talent then sure. But you already see what a lack of depth does to us.

You might want to look up Bam's accolades. He already has more than RJ and Poeltl will ever amass in their combined careers. There is no world where the Heat would take RJ, Poeltl and Agbaji for Bam alone, let alone for Bam and Ware (who likely goes top 3 in a redraft).

Utterly baffling lol.

An all nba caliber center who’s younger than Poeltl that’s been in 70+ playoff games in multiple deep runs for 2 guys who have done nothing of note in their careers??

That might be up there with people who used to say maxey would never be better than FVV.

3x All-Star
5x All-Defensive
Team USA
Has received All-NBA votes in each of the last 6 years,
Has received All-Defensive votes in each of the last 7 years.

Extremely low maintenance star, who is also a gym rat (unlike Poeltl).

If Bam got traded for Poeltl and RJ, I think Arison would step in and fire Riley on the spot, despite their deep friendship.

[HumbleRen]

You might want to look up Bam's accolades. He already has more than RJ and Poeltl will ever amass in their combined careers. There is no world where the Heat would take RJ, Poeltl and Agbaji for Bam alone, let alone for Bam and Ware (who likely goes top 3 in a redraft).

Utterly baffling lol.

An all nba caliber center who’s younger than Poeltl that’s been in 70+ playoff games in multiple deep runs for 2 guys who have done nothing of note in their careers??

That might be up there with people who used to say maxey would never be better than FVV.

3x All-Star
5x All-Defensive
Team USA
Has received All-NBA votes in each of the last 6 years,
Has received All-Defensive votes in each of the last 7 years.

Extremely low maintenance star, who is also a gym rat (unlike Poeltl).

If Bam got traded for Poeltl and RJ, I think Arison would step in and fire Riley on the spot, despite their deep friendship.

Spo would quit.

[YogurtProducer]

You might want to look up Bam's accolades. He already has more than RJ and Poeltl will ever amass in their combined careers. There is no world where the Heat would take RJ, Poeltl and Agbaji for Bam alone, let alone for Bam and Ware (who likely goes top 3 in a redraft).

Utterly baffling lol.

An all nba caliber center who’s younger than Poeltl that’s been in 70+ playoff games in multiple deep runs for 2 guys who have done nothing of note in their careers??

That might be up there with people who used to say maxey would never be better than FVV.

3x All-Star
5x All-Defensive
Team USA
Has received All-NBA votes in each of the last 6 years,
Has received All-Defensive votes in each of the last 7 years.

Extremely low maintenance star, who is also a gym rat (unlike Poeltl).

If Bam got traded for Poeltl and RJ, I think Arison would step in and fire Riley on the spot, despite their deep friendship.

Vast overrating of Bam and underrating of what we got.

Swapping Poeltl and RJ for Bam doesn’t make us better. Just because Bam is the best player of the bunch doesn’t mean it’s a trade worth making.

Obviously you do it if you got a Ware to, but my initial post was referring more to quality of team now. We don’t get better by upgrading at C but leaving a gaping hole at the 2.

[YogurtProducer]

If Bam got traded for Poeltl and RJ, I think Arison would step in and fire Riley on the spot, despite their deep friendship.

No doubt - because for them it makes no sense to downgrade at C to get RJ at a position of strength for them.

Just like for us it makes no sense to consolidate at a position we don’t have adequate bench depth to take over for, and to pay top 20 money to Bam freaking Adebayo.

Like for reference - Bam makes $50m/$54m/$58m over the next 3 years. Thats not a contract you can even dream of winning with, because Bam is not a superstar.

[HMFFL]

Utterly baffling lol.

An all nba caliber center who’s younger than Poeltl that’s been in 70+ playoff games in multiple deep runs for 2 guys who have done nothing of note in their careers??

That might be up there with people who used to say maxey would never be better than FVV.

3x All-Star
5x All-Defensive
Team USA
Has received All-NBA votes in each of the last 6 years,
Has received All-Defensive votes in each of the last 7 years.

Extremely low maintenance star, who is also a gym rat (unlike Poeltl).

If Bam got traded for Poeltl and RJ, I think Arison would step in and fire Riley on the spot, despite their deep friendship.

Vast overrating of Bam and underrating of what we got.

Swapping Poeltl and RJ for Bam doesn’t make us better. Just because Bam is the best player of the bunch doesn’t mean it’s a trade worth making.

Obviously you do it if you got a Ware to, but my initial post was referring more to quality of team now. We don’t get better by upgrading at C but leaving a gaping hole at the 2.

You won't get Ware even if Poeltl, RJ, and a first are offered. Bam clearly makes you better instead of Poeltl and RJ.

[YogurtProducer]

3x All-Star
5x All-Defensive
Team USA
Has received All-NBA votes in each of the last 6 years,
Has received All-Defensive votes in each of the last 7 years.

Extremely low maintenance star, who is also a gym rat (unlike Poeltl).

If Bam got traded for Poeltl and RJ, I think Arison would step in and fire Riley on the spot, despite their deep friendship.

Vast overrating of Bam and underrating of what we got.

Swapping Poeltl and RJ for Bam doesn’t make us better. Just because Bam is the best player of the bunch doesn’t mean it’s a trade worth making.

Obviously you do it if you got a Ware to, but my initial post was referring more to quality of team now. We don’t get better by upgrading at C but leaving a gaping hole at the 2.

You won't get Ware even if Poeltl, RJ, and a first are offered. Bam clearly makes you better instead of Poeltl and RJ.

Okay to be clear I never said we would. It was just a theoretical swap.

But no, I sincerely do not believe swapping RJ/Jak for Bam straight up in theory even improves us because the Poeltl --> Bam upgrade is not significant enough to go from RJ ---> Dick or Ochai or Walter.

RJ is giving us 20/5/4 on 60TS% and Poeltl is still a very good center.

IQ/???/Ingram/Barnes/Bam is still not a contending team. Is is better? Maybe? Is it materially better? Not at all.

[Shakril]

Vast overrating of Bam and underrating of what we got.

Swapping Poeltl and RJ for Bam doesn’t make us better. Just because Bam is the best player of the bunch doesn’t mean it’s a trade worth making.

Obviously you do it if you got a Ware to, but my initial post was referring more to quality of team now. We don’t get better by upgrading at C but leaving a gaping hole at the 2.

You won't get Ware even if Poeltl, RJ, and a first are offered. Bam clearly makes you better instead of Poeltl and RJ.

Okay to be clear I never said we would. It was just a theoretical swap.

But no, I sincerely do not believe swapping RJ/Jak for Bam straight up in theory even improves us because the Poeltl --> Bam upgrade is not significant enough to go from RJ ---> Dick or Ochai or Walter.

RJ is giving us 20/5/4 on 60TS% and Poeltl is still a very good center.

IQ/???/Ingram/Barnes/Bam is still not a contending team. Is is better? Maybe? Is it materially better? Not at all.

The only thing i am reading is, that Poeltl is the scapegoat for the losing streak we are on. No matter if he plays or not. But when we win, its never his accomplishment. He gets critized like a Starplayer, but never gets the credit.

[Tha Cynic]

Utterly baffling lol.

An all nba caliber center who’s younger than Poeltl that’s been in 70+ playoff games in multiple deep runs for 2 guys who have done nothing of note in their careers??

That might be up there with people who used to say maxey would never be better than FVV.

3x All-Star
5x All-Defensive
Team USA
Has received All-NBA votes in each of the last 6 years,
Has received All-Defensive votes in each of the last 7 years.

Extremely low maintenance star, who is also a gym rat (unlike Poeltl).

If Bam got traded for Poeltl and RJ, I think Arison would step in and fire Riley on the spot, despite their deep friendship.

Vast overrating of Bam and underrating of what we got.

Swapping Poeltl and RJ for Bam doesn’t make us better. Just because Bam is the best player of the bunch doesn’t mean it’s a trade worth making.

Obviously you do it if you got a Ware to, but my initial post was referring more to quality of team now. We don’t get better by upgrading at C but leaving a gaping hole at the 2.

You’re just flat out wrong here man. Bobby would be all over this if Miami offered just Bam let alone adding one of the best young bigs in the game as well lol.

Let’s not waste time on a trade that would never happen from Miamis perspective.

Poeltl is a stopgap who is better than our backups. That’s it. We need a serious upgrade here to propel us. I have worries that he can’t go to that next level when players play way more aggressive in the playoffs. He’s already very soft inside and moves like he’s 35 half the time

Our best case scenario is can we get someone like Jovic or another big who is more athletic and can actually attack the rim or grab big rebounds like Orlando has an abundance of

[YogurtProducer]

Man, y'all really need to read what I am saying because you are arguing things I never said

You’re just flat out wrong here man. Bobby would be all over this if Miami offered just Bam let alone adding one of the best young bigs in the game as well lol.

As would I. I am saying it doesn't make us a better team today, I never said it wouldn't make sense from an asset standpoint.

Let’s not waste time on a trade that would never happen from Miamis perspective.

The entire premise of the conversation was about other teams C rotation.

Poeltl is a stopgap who is better than our backups. That’s it. We need a serious upgrade here to propel us. I have worries that he can’t go to that next level when players play way more aggressive in the playoffs. He’s already very soft inside and moves like he’s 35 half the time

A serious upgrade is not Adebayo. That is just shuffling players around with no real upside.

Like just in theory say for some reason that trade occurred (ignore Ware as that is just depth). But from a starting lineup perspective IQ/???/Ingram/Barnes/Adebayo is just not that great of a team AND it has more salary constraints than what we have now. That is just a same same but different version of the Miami Heat. That is paying 4 guys $160M for a team that has no true #1 and now a gaping hole at the 2 AND has no depth. That is not a serious team by any means.

Not to mention, if you are paying $50M to a player, he BETTER be a top tier scorer and your best player. I am not convinced he walks into the Raptors team and is our best player either.

[Tha Cynic]

Man, y'all really need to read what I am saying because you are arguing things I never said

You’re just flat out wrong here man. Bobby would be all over this if Miami offered just Bam let alone adding one of the best young bigs in the game as well lol.

As would I. I am saying it doesn't make us a better team today, I never said it wouldn't make sense from an asset standpoint.

Let’s not waste time on a trade that would never happen from Miamis perspective.

The entire premise of the conversation was about other teams C rotation.

Poeltl is a stopgap who is better than our backups. That’s it. We need a serious upgrade here to propel us. I have worries that he can’t go to that next level when players play way more aggressive in the playoffs. He’s already very soft inside and moves like he’s 35 half the time

A serious upgrade is not Adebayo. That is just shuffling players around with no real upside.

Like just in theory say for some reason that trade occurred (ignore Ware as that is just depth). But from a starting lineup perspective IQ/???/Ingram/Barnes/Adebayo is just not that great of a team AND it has more salary constraints than what we have now. That is just a same same but different version of the Miami Heat. That is paying 4 guys $160M for a team that has no true #1 and now a gaping hole at the 2 AND has no depth. That is not a serious team by any means.

Not to mention, if you are paying $50M to a player, he BETTER be a top tier scorer and your best player. I am not convinced he walks into the Raptors team and is our best player either.

I think the conversation has changed lol. The original post was Ware and Bam for Poeltl, Agbaji and RJ. Yes that is an upgrade easily.

If just Bam, in a vacuum, Bam is a better player than Poeltl hands down. Salaries definitely make it murky from there as with the salaries the Raptors have that would be difficult to fit in without additions trades to balance. Those teams are able to make their salary structures work and have put decent players around them. Not sure how that would work with the Raptors.

I think the point here is that the Raptors are very weak at the 5 compared to their peers and that’s even if you just compare Poeltl to the other teams’ starting C.

[YogurtProducer]

I think the conversation has changed lol. The original post was Ware and Bam for Poeltl, Agbaji and RJ. Yes that is an upgrade easily.

I think some people thought I was proposing a legit trade.

I don't think we do get better by swapping out RJ/Poeltl for Bam/Ware either. Obviously you say yes to that trade 100/100 times (and it wouldn't ever happen), but I dont think we are actually better on the other side (win now wise), because it fixes NONE of our issues, and maybe even makes some of them worse. We downgrade at the 2 heavily and are now relying on some combo of Shead/Walter/Dick to play the 2 for us for 48 minutes a night. Look how that has gone the last 2 weeks.

For all his faults, Poeltl is still a good defender. Bam isn't better enough in a significant enough fashion to improve us monumentally on that end. Offensively, RJ has proven to be pretty important. Bam isn't good enough to improve our offense if he lose RJ.

To me, that is just a neutral trade. We end up with the best "young" prospect in Ware, and the best player, but I dont think if we want to go win a game on Dec 9th/2025 that trade actually makes us a better team.

[Ell Curry]

Bam for Poeltl and either Ingram or RJ would massively improve us, even if RJ is actually permanently improved and the player he's been his first 17 games this season, which who knows, he's had good stretches before. Even then, he's a below average defensive wing. Ingram's 3pt show should come back, but he'll be basically similar.

Bam can hit a 3 now, meaning we can basically play 5 out, and he and Scottie would be a great 4/5 combo defensively. Structurally/tactically, that's just a good combo. Open lanes for drives, catch and shoot 3s later in the clock not creating bad possessions, better defence leading to turnovers and missed shots and runouts and transition opportunities.

The ceiling on a team with no star, not playing 5 out on O and accommodating 2 below-average defensive wings is very low. The ceiling on a team with Bam and Barnes at the 4 and 5 spots is pretty high.

I don't see Miami even entertaining this, unless it's a 3 way deal and they're getting Giannis or another all-star back, and the only one we have is Scottie, who we shouldn't trade for Bam.

[dballislife]

we gotta find a way to upgrade poeltl before we upgrade rj or quick.....his age doesnt mesh with our core players

[DelAbbot]

How can we move on from Jakob and his 27M per year x3 upto age 34?

[CPT]

Figured this thread would be bumped tonight. What a disaster that extension was.

To chime in on the last page of the thread, if we got Bam for Poeltl and RJ there would be a mini-Luka-trade reaction around the league.

“Bam was available? For that? Didn’t they shop around?”

[ItsDanger]

Bobby's GM style:

[ciueli]

So we've decided to blame Masai or Bobby for the Jak extension? Technically the Jak extension was announced a few days after Masai was fired, but it was before Bobby was officially the guy running the team. I could see it either way, though I think it's unlikely it was a move Bobby strongly disagreed with or it wouldn't have happened.

[PushDaRock]

I am blaming Jak's Back personally!!!

[LoveMyRaps]

Bobby's GM style:

Y’all wanted Masai gone

Enjoy Bobby Blunder era

[DelAbbot]

Bobby's GM style:

Y’all wanted Masai gone

Enjoy Bobby Blunder era

They both got to go. Bobby was doing the work, and Masai was the salesman