What Happens From Here

[wolffy]

They need to start amassing picks and assets. Trade Coby for ANYTHING you can. Same with Giddey and anyone else they could.

And for the love of God dont try to make the play in

Trading Giddey would be moronic. He is the one great young talent we have.

Yeah but one day that pick may (though likely not) be a player averaging 20/9/9 with a 58% TS%

Giddey is 23, he's old.

end Sarcasm.

This board would have been calling for Detroit to trade Cade. How many years of the Spurs missing the playoffs before Wemby is a bust? Oh wait, that's right, this board is very grass is greener on the other side. Those teams struggles are all part of a plan (spoiler alert, no one has a plan), ours are happening by accident.

Im not saying he's terrible but they have to give to get

[BigUps]

I think the strategy is, and seems like it will continue to be, hoping for another 1.7% lottery ball bit of luck. Truck along forward and just hope we get some luck along the way.

It stinks.

[Senor Chang]

My thought was a billboard.

But what's funny is the fanbase that cared that much about the Bulls to have a billboard is gone. No one cares enough anymore

Start telling corporations you work with to stop buying Bulls tickets. Until that happens, nothing will change.

Why would we need a billboard? If we suck that’s fine so long as we go all-in for the tank. To be upset right now and put up a billboard is telling management you want something done to make us mediocre. Embrace the suck. We aren’t close to being a perennial playoff contender. The only way out is through the draft.


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[WindyCityBorn]

Trading Giddey would be moronic. He is the one great young talent we have.

Yeah but one day that pick may (though likely not) be a player averaging 20/9/9 with a 58% TS%

Giddey is 23, he's old.

end Sarcasm.

This board would have been calling for Detroit to trade Cade. How many years of the Spurs missing the playoffs before Wemby is a bust? Oh wait, that's right, this board is very grass is greener on the other side. Those teams struggles are all part of a plan (spoiler alert, no one has a plan), ours are happening by accident.

Im not saying he's terrible but they have to give to get

Get what exactly? More lottery balls? If he was approaching 30I might understand this thought process, but he is young enough to be part of any rebuild.

[wolffy]

Yeah they should fire AK, ME, BD and even Benny The Bulls and hire the geniuses that none of the other 29 teams have hired who will turn things around and satisfy a bunch of 12 years olds married to their phones who have no clue about the NBA.

Right now, you wait to see if there's a chance you can put a healthy full roster out there to really see what you've got. Next man up sounds like great basketballspeak but it's BS. If the next guy up was as good at the first, you'd get him on the floor more. Backups come off the bench because they're not as good as the starters. Live with it. From day 1 Billy has said, we don't have much margin for error with this team, we have to show up every night to win games. Well when anywhere from 1-3 starters are out they aren't close to having enough to win most games even against the bottom tanking teams.

The joke in the NE until Tom Brady was always the two most popular athletes in Boston were the backup QB for the Patriots and the backup goalie for the Bruins. Every fan base thinks the guy they see the least of is the better player


I'm willing to get much closer to the deadline to see if the playoffs are in sight, if anybody in the top 8 goes down for the season then you might as well look at trading now but only if you think you can get more for players than you can over the summer, Going onto the summer with a lot of cap space for FAs or trades, Noa back healthy with a year of weights and watching film, their own pick is like having a pair of 1sts, the outside chance at the PORT pick, that's a good spot to be in.

The playoffs will be in sight because most teams are going to tank unless they can truly compete for the conference.

That's a trap and its exactly what Reinsdorf hopes the fanbase falls into.

This team can't compete. Its fatally flawed.

[Evil_Headband]

I think the strategy is, and seems like it will continue to be, hoping for another 1.7% lottery ball bit of luck. Truck along forward and just hope we get some luck along the way.

It stinks.

Their odds are trending better than 1.7%.

[drosestruts]

I think the strategy is, and seems like it will continue to be, hoping for another 1.7% lottery ball bit of luck. Truck along forward and just hope we get some luck along the way.

It stinks.

Getting lucky is pretty much the strategy of every GM - it's the one secret they don't want to admit.

Front offices being geniuses or forward thinkers - that's just all marketing.

[Dan Z]

They need to start amassing picks and assets. Trade Coby for ANYTHING you can. Same with Giddey and anyone else they could.

And for the love of God dont try to make the play in

Trading Giddey would be moronic. He is the one great young talent we have.

Yeah but one day that pick may (though likely not) be a player averaging 20/9/9 with a 58% TS%

Giddey is 23, he's old.

end Sarcasm.

This board would have been calling for Detroit to trade Cade. How many years of the Spurs missing the playoffs before Wemby is a bust? Oh wait, that's right, this board is very grass is greener on the other side. Those teams struggles are all part of a plan (spoiler alert, no one has a plan), ours are happening by accident.

The Spurs rebuilt by trading vets (most notably DDR and Murray) and acquiring picks . Then when they got a star player (Wemby) they decided to still take it slow, but eventually traded for a vet when one they wanted was available (Fox). Had they rushed things maybe they don't end up with Harper...?

They always had a plan.

Even after the Fox trade they still have a 2026 swap with Atlanta, Atlanta's 2027 pick, a 2028 swap with Boston, a 2030 swap with Minn or Dallas, a 2031 swap with the Kings and a bunch of additional 2nd round picks. They do owe a 2027 pick to Sacramento or OKC.

It gives them assets to work with.

Detroit built through the draft and it wasn't working, so they fired their GM. The new guy added vets to the team and they helped the team win. However, Detroit already had a group of young players that were developing (Cade, Ivey, Duran, Holland and Thompson). That gave them a base to work with, which is something the Bulls don't have.

These situations aren't the same because AK rarely acquires future picks and doesn't build through the draft.

[DuckIII]

I’m going to have some chili-Mac for supper and then probably wake up at like 4:30 a.m. because of it to take a dump. While scrolling this thread.

[HomoSapien]

I’m going to have some chili-Mac for supper and then probably wake up at like 4:30 a.m. because of it to take a dump. While scrolling this thread.

And then what?

[DuckIII]

I’m going to have some chili-Mac for supper and then probably wake up at like 4:30 a.m. because of it to take a dump. While scrolling this thread.

And then what?

I have a few guesses based on prior experience, but nothing is certain in this world.

[wolffy]

Yeah but one day that pick may (though likely not) be a player averaging 20/9/9 with a 58% TS%

Giddey is 23, he's old.

end Sarcasm.

This board would have been calling for Detroit to trade Cade. How many years of the Spurs missing the playoffs before Wemby is a bust? Oh wait, that's right, this board is very grass is greener on the other side. Those teams struggles are all part of a plan (spoiler alert, no one has a plan), ours are happening by accident.

Im not saying he's terrible but they have to give to get

Get what exactly? More lottery balls? If he was approaching 30I might understand this thought process, but he is young enough to be part of any rebuild.

I would listen for a high enough 1st, thats for sure.
I wouldn't give him away but I'd listen.

And im not advocating to trade him. It was a statement just to say this whole thing needs blown up. Theres very little talent here and nobody should be untouchable.

[WindyCityBorn]

Im not saying he's terrible but they have to give to get

Get what exactly? More lottery balls? If he was approaching 30I might understand this thought process, but he is young enough to be part of any rebuild.

I would listen for a high enough 1st, thats for sure.
I wouldn't give him away but I'd listen.

And im not advocating to trade him. It was a statement just to say this whole thing needs blown up. Theres very little talent here and nobody should be untouchable.

Giddey is good enough to be untouchable for anything we could realistically get. Unless that draft pick is to get the next Wemby or Luka no thanks. And no team would trade a draft pick that would be used on that kind of talent. So it’s a pointless discussion.

[wolffy]

Yeah they should fire AK, ME, BD and even Benny The Bulls and hire the geniuses that none of the other 29 teams have hired who will turn things around and satisfy a bunch of 12 years olds married to their phones who have no clue about the NBA.

Right now, you wait to see if there's a chance you can put a healthy full roster out there to really see what you've got. Next man up sounds like great basketballspeak but it's BS. If the next guy up was as good at the first, you'd get him on the floor more. Backups come off the bench because they're not as good as the starters. Live with it. From day 1 Billy has said, we don't have much margin for error with this team, we have to show up every night to win games. Well when anywhere from 1-3 starters are out they aren't close to having enough to win most games even against the bottom tanking teams.

The joke in the NE until Tom Brady was always the two most popular athletes in Boston were the backup QB for the Patriots and the backup goalie for the Bruins. Every fan base thinks the guy they see the least of is the better player


I'm willing to get much closer to the deadline to see if the playoffs are in sight, if anybody in the top 8 goes down for the season then you might as well look at trading now but only if you think you can get more for players than you can over the summer, Going onto the summer with a lot of cap space for FAs or trades, Noa back healthy with a year of weights and watching film, their own pick is like having a pair of 1sts, the outside chance at the PORT pick, that's a good spot to be in.

At some point Brad Stevens was someone none of the other 29 teams had hired. Same thing with Greg Poppovich, Sam Presti, etc etc

So, what has AKME done that makes you think they're better than any of the "geniuses that none of the other 29 teams have hired."

The 1 winning season?

Is it the 1 play off win?

Please don't tell me you're still holding on to the start of the 21/22 season.

Their exemplary draft record in the 1st round of Pat Williams, Dalen Terry, Noa Essengue?

I'm 100% serious, what has AKME EVER done that could be seen as an unarguably positive move. The only one I can think of is signing AC but everything else has been at best "okay" and, more than likely, absolute dog ****.

Not a lot of good but the Ayo pick was solid and the Giddey trade was ok, especially if they can flip him for something else.

[wolffy]

Yeah they should fire AK, ME, BD and even Benny The Bulls and hire the geniuses that none of the other 29 teams have hired who will turn things around and satisfy a bunch of 12 years olds married to their phones who have no clue about the NBA.

Right now, you wait to see if there's a chance you can put a healthy full roster out there to really see what you've got. Next man up sounds like great basketballspeak but it's BS. If the next guy up was as good at the first, you'd get him on the floor more. Backups come off the bench because they're not as good as the starters. Live with it. From day 1 Billy has said, we don't have much margin for error with this team, we have to show up every night to win games. Well when anywhere from 1-3 starters are out they aren't close to having enough to win most games even against the bottom tanking teams.

The joke in the NE until Tom Brady was always the two most popular athletes in Boston were the backup QB for the Patriots and the backup goalie for the Bruins. Every fan base thinks the guy they see the least of is the better player


I'm willing to get much closer to the deadline to see if the playoffs are in sight, if anybody in the top 8 goes down for the season then you might as well look at trading now but only if you think you can get more for players than you can over the summer, Going onto the summer with a lot of cap space for FAs or trades, Noa back healthy with a year of weights and watching film, their own pick is like having a pair of 1sts, the outside chance at the PORT pick, that's a good spot to be in.

At some point Brad Stevens was someone none of the other 29 teams had hired. Same thing with Greg Poppovich, Sam Presti, etc etc

So, what has AKME done that makes you think they're better than any of the "geniuses that none of the other 29 teams have hired."

The 1 winning season?

Is it the 1 play off win?

Please don't tell me you're still holding on to the start of the 21/22 season.

Their exemplary draft record in the 1st round of Pat Williams, Dalen Terry, Noa Essengue?

I'm 100% serious, what has AKME EVER done that could be seen as an unarguably positive move. The only one I can think of is signing AC but everything else has been at best "okay" and, more than likely, absolute dog ****.

Not a lot of good but the Ayo pick was solid and the Giddey trade was ok, especially if they can flip him for something else.

[sco]

To me AK is looking to "spend" his expirings and at least 1, probably 2 picks to bring in one of the flawed "name" players at the deadline to show he's doing something. At this point, if he just pisses away 1 draft pick I'll be happy.

[wolffy]

On Stacey Kings podcast they mentioned the Bulls have the 5th most losses in the NBA since Jimmy Butler left.

All those losses should have equaled some good draft talent but highlights just how terrible AK has been. Getting rid of him should probably be whats next.

[DuckIII]

On Stacey Kings podcast they mentioned the Bulls have the 5th most losses in the NBA since Jimmy Butler left.

All those losses should have equaled some good draft talent but highlights just how terrible AK has been. Getting rid of him should probably be whats next.

AK's draft record is a mixed bag. Its not awful like its made out to be. He has important hits and important misses.

The issue is less their draft acumen - which I'm not suggesting is affirmatively good - and more that those losses are spread out over a very long period of time illustrating that the organization has been unwilling to do what it takes to get better, which frequently involves getting much worse first. We would not do that. We stayed in hell. So we have a huge number of losses due significantly to length of time while never properly positioning ourselves to use draft-based assets (read: involves more than just tanking) to rebuild properly.

That is the outrageous folly of the AK era. The draft record, while frustratingly uneven, is a collateral concern.

[MikeDC]

From here I see us slowly getting healthy and eventually playing better once again.

I think we make some largely inconsequential trade, one I like is a trade with the Clippers - 3 players for 3 players, all expirings.

Bulls in: Brook Lopez, John Collins, and Bogdan Bogdanovic

Clippers in: Vuc, Kevin Huerter, and Jevon Carter

Gives us much needed size (I'd start Collins at the 4), and paves the way for us to move on from Vuc.


Mostly I see us arguing about what this team is and isn't then having a lot of debates in the offseason and who we should re-sign vs use in a sign and trade.

We are not a top-heavy team with a star dragging a team to wins, we start one of the worst defensive lineups in the entire NBA. But when at full strength we are deep, which will win you regular season games.

It's really not that confusing to me.

I've tried to figure out something that would work like that, mostly because I think Collins is a low risk move, but I don't see why the Clippers would trade him. They're bad, but we don't seem to have what they need I think

[drosestruts]

From here I see us slowly getting healthy and eventually playing better once again.

I think we make some largely inconsequential trade, one I like is a trade with the Clippers - 3 players for 3 players, all expirings.

Bulls in: Brook Lopez, John Collins, and Bogdan Bogdanovic

Clippers in: Vuc, Kevin Huerter, and Jevon Carter

Gives us much needed size (I'd start Collins at the 4), and paves the way for us to move on from Vuc.


Mostly I see us arguing about what this team is and isn't then having a lot of debates in the offseason and who we should re-sign vs use in a sign and trade.

We are not a top-heavy team with a star dragging a team to wins, we start one of the worst defensive lineups in the entire NBA. But when at full strength we are deep, which will win you regular season games.

It's really not that confusing to me.

I've tried to figure out something that would work like that, mostly because I think Collins is a low risk move, but I don't see why the Clippers would trade him. They're bad, but we don't seem to have what they need I think

If nothing else, it's a big decrease to their tax bill. Could decrease it even further by swapping our Carter for Terry or Phillips - which gives them a young guy to look at, and a lowered tax bill.

We have expirings and we have room below the tax. For someone like John Collins, I feel like it's all we really need.