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Re: Rookie Watch - C/O 2025 

Post#181 » by M2J » Tue Dec 2, 2025 9:46 pm

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sodmoraes wrote:After VJ´s hot start, he has been pretty mediocre. Saw a post on reddit saying that since Ace became a starter, his last 10 games he´s averaging 14/4/2 on 53/41/78 , with 25 MPG, while VJ stats in his last 10 games were: 12/6/4 on 35/31/67. He should focus more on C&S, because he cant create well, atleast for now.


VJ still like 42% on C & S....19% off dribble. I mean he is still taking only just above 1 pull up 3 a game. Like 3 or 4 off the catch.

But yeah, focus on the catch opportunities, transition opportunities, and closeout opportunities. I still like where his overall scoring projects on eye test and the surprise mid-range and 3pt game along with simple playmaking. Ahead of schedule on all. Doesn't help that Nurse has run him into the ground


VJ’s also a steady decision maker in crunch time. He is also advanced with the way he paces the game. He knows when to go with the flow and when to be aggressive.

The Jazz run a lot of screen actions built around Markkanen, but Bailey won’t thrive in Nurse’s system, which demands real on ball ability, you need to dribble, create, and make reads. Bailey has a very Andrew Wiggins statline of 3rpg and 2apg, the difference is that he can shoot 3s.


Yeah, again I like VJ simple playmaking style... He doesn't overdo it like some guys who's initials start with QG or PG. Very steady.

Not to belabor a point that's completely hypothetical, but I could see Ace either the DHO guy like George when he's a decision maker in that role with the option of handing off, finding another open player, shooting or a quick one dribble drive if it's open..... Or as a movement shooter off of that action from someone else. They run a lot of that for him in Utah with nurkic in the mid post and Ace moves for a 3 or off a screen for a pull up 2 or cuts for a finish in the paint. The cutting paint finishing and mid range has been his strengths so far, the 3 has been up and down until recently. As @sodmoraes pointed out in the past 10 games... Ace has become exactly what I thought he would become his first year when he couldn't be a top option. And the only place he could be a top option is likely Brooklyn at 8 maybe DC. But he has a long way to go dribbling the ball, That skill and three-point consistency would determine his stardom level. Already a solid role player
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Re: Rookie Watch - C/O 2025 

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Post#183 » by Negrodamus » Thu Dec 4, 2025 1:51 pm

Im going to need to see Queen’s combine numbers, particularly the athletic measurements, before I make a judgement on him.
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Post#184 » by 76ciology » Sun Dec 7, 2025 3:24 am

Walter Clayton’s minutes keep climbing, and he’s posted the Jazz’s best NetRtg over the last 6–7 games. He works next to Collier or Keyonte and plugs their gap with Jazz lack of guard playmaking+shooting outside of Keyonte. Been closing out halves.
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Post#185 » by 76ciology » Mon Dec 8, 2025 4:06 pm

76ciology wrote:Walter Clayton’s minutes keep climbing, and he’s posted the Jazz’s best NetRtg over the last 6–7 games. He works next to Collier or Keyonte and plugs their gap with Jazz lack of guard playmaking+shooting outside of Keyonte. Been closing out halves.


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Post#186 » by sodmoraes » Mon Dec 8, 2025 4:59 pm

I thougth VJ was more agressive last night. Hes a way better shooter from 3 than i thought he would be, he´s shooting almost 38% from 3, with 5 3PA per game. His main problem is his handle. He need to improve it, so he can use his athetic abilities to the max, since he should be driving more to the basket, using his sick first step.
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Post#187 » by 76ciology » Tue Dec 9, 2025 6:01 am

Dylan was impressive on this game against the Pels. But im still cautious on putting too much value on games against Pels and Mavs. Still.. he was impressive and maybe a big non-shooting slashing guard can work in today’s NBA. Well, I’ve been burned with Amen Thompson so I have to stay open minded.
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Post#188 » by 76ciology » Tue Dec 9, 2025 6:02 am

Derik Queen also had a monster game against the Spurs. He faced favorable match-up against Kornet, who does not have the foot speed to stay in front of him.
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Post#189 » by 76ciology » Tue Dec 9, 2025 6:07 am

sodmoraes wrote:I thougth VJ was more agressive last night. Hes a way better shooter from 3 than i thought he would be, he´s shooting almost 38% from 3, with 5 3PA per game. His main problem is his handle. He need to improve it, so he can use his athetic abilities to the max, since he should be driving more to the basket, using his sick first step.


He’ll settle in once that mid range tightens up. Most scorers just create space with a bump or a light push-off, then work their footwork in the paint. He already gets to those spots whenever he wants, he just doesn’t convert them well.

VJ doesn’t want to be compared to Jimmy. But Jimmy’s game is exactly how VJ should play. He just need to be that version with 3pt shooting. That’s how most scorers are playing anyway.
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Post#190 » by Negrodamus » Tue Dec 9, 2025 3:16 pm



Does anyone have Queen's vert or 3/4 sprint numbers offhand?
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Post#191 » by Negrodamus » Tue Dec 9, 2025 3:36 pm



Definitely wanted this guy over Johni Broome. Showed enough athleticism to know he's not a stiff at 7'1 and has some shooting chops. Even has a bit of a crazy attitude in his game. Not sure we'd even be giving him opportunity right now, but would have loved to have another 7' C available on the bench in the event of an Embiid prolonged injury.
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Post#192 » by Jailblazers7 » Tue Dec 9, 2025 5:59 pm

I might actually watch the Rising Stars challenge at this years ASW.
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Post#193 » by M2J » Yesterday 3:22 am

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Does anyone have Queen's vert or 3/4 sprint numbers offhand?


Per Google Gemini, I didn't verify...


Here are his specific results in speed and agility drills:
Three-Quarter Court Sprint: 3.52 seconds
Lane Agility Time: 12.45 seconds (last among all participants)
Shuttle Run: 3.27 seconds
Standing Vertical Leap: 23.5 inches
Max Vertical Leap: 28.0 inches
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Post#194 » by 76ciology » Yesterday 7:29 am

sodmoraes wrote:I thougth VJ was more agressive last night. Hes a way better shooter from 3 than i thought he would be, he´s shooting almost 38% from 3, with 5 3PA per game. His main problem is his handle. He need to improve it, so he can use his athetic abilities to the max, since he should be driving more to the basket, using his sick first step.


I’ve been thinking about whether you still need an advanced handle in today’s game. Wings probably do because they don’t have the same burst, but if you’re a guard who can shoot and get downhill quickly, the bar for dribble creativity feels lower than before. That’s basically what you see in Miami. Davion Mitchell and Powell are slicing up defenses without leaning on heavy PnR. Most players are working from the same bag anyway.. cross over tween, stepback three, if you see the defender stepping up to challenge the shot then you drive, and if the lane closes, bump into a stepback midrange or use footwork, fakes, and counters to create a good look at the paint. And this create the rise of under the radar guards this season like Gillespie, Daniss, Ryan Nembhard, Ajay Mitchell, Daniss Jenkins and Ryan Rollins.
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Re: Rookie Watch - C/O 2025 

Post#195 » by Slacktard » Yesterday 11:06 am

Brooklyn had like 4 first round picks and even passed on Derik Queen with one of them to get Kyle Anderson deux
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Post#196 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Yesterday 11:58 am

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Definitely wanted this guy over Johni Broome. Showed enough athleticism to know he's not a stiff at 7'1 and has some shooting chops. Even has a bit of a crazy attitude in his game. Not sure we'd even be giving him opportunity right now, but would have loved to have another 7' C available on the bench in the event of an Embiid prolonged injury.


Yeah, gonna go ahead and say that we whiffed on Broome. Holy hell does he look out of place and slow. Reynolds was there, we probably should have taken him instead. I liked Broome, but he had shown nothing that says he belongs.
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Post#197 » by Jailblazers7 » Yesterday 2:43 pm

I was surprised by the Broome pick when it happened and, in hindsight, it looks even worse. I wanted either Kalkbrenner, Reynard, or Adou Thiero with that pick - 2 of the 3 were available but we chose neither.
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Post#198 » by the_process » Today 2:17 am

M2J wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:

Does anyone have Queen's vert or 3/4 sprint numbers offhand?


Per Google Gemini, I didn't verify...


Here are his specific results in speed and agility drills:
Three-Quarter Court Sprint: 3.52 seconds
Lane Agility Time: 12.45 seconds (last among all participants)
Shuttle Run: 3.27 seconds
Standing Vertical Leap: 23.5 inches
Max Vertical Leap: 28.0 inches


He was being sarcastic. We all know Queen lacks athleticism.

I'm still not buying Queen. The Pelicans are terrible, and they're just letting him do whatever he wants out there. I will give him credit for his handle and passing being better than anticipated.
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Post#199 » by the_process » Today 2:22 am

Jailblazers7 wrote:I was surprised by the Broome pick when it happened and, in hindsight, it looks even worse. I wanted either Kalkbrenner, Reynard, or Adou Thiero with that pick - 2 of the 3 were available but we chose neither.


The Broome pick was terrible the second it happened, and isn't going to get any better. If the team were to make any roster moves this year that required extra roster spots... I think Lowry and Broome are the first two cuts.
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Re: Rookie Watch - C/O 2025 

Post#200 » by M2J » Today 2:49 am

the_process wrote:
M2J wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:

Does anyone have Queen's vert or 3/4 sprint numbers offhand?


Per Google Gemini, I didn't verify...


Here are his specific results in speed and agility drills:
Three-Quarter Court Sprint: 3.52 seconds
Lane Agility Time: 12.45 seconds (last among all participants)
Shuttle Run: 3.27 seconds
Standing Vertical Leap: 23.5 inches
Max Vertical Leap: 28.0 inches


He was being sarcastic. We all know Queen lacks athleticism.

I'm still not buying Queen. The Pelicans are terrible, and they're just letting him do whatever he wants out there. I will give him credit for his handle and passing being better than anticipated.


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