Official Trade Thread Part XLVII

[9 and 20]

I think Houston could really use CJ. They've got Amen Thompson and Reed Sheppard running point guard now, with Van Vleet still out. There is for sure a trade to be had there, if they send us a future pick. They've also got Capela signed for the next few years. He's overpaid but we might actually be able to use him to back up Sarr and Bagley. Could bring him in if it means adding a better pick.

I also wouldn't mind the idea of Sabonis here. He's a solid player, if all we have to give up are Midds and some of the young guys who may not be part of the future here. Tristan was born to be a Sacramento King.

We'd be selling our offseason cap space early, but that's a handful of decent vets and we should get at least one good pick out of these trades.

[Frichuela]

I think Houston could really use CJ. They've got Amen Thompson and Reed Sheppard running point guard now, with Van Vleet still out. There is for sure a trade to be had there, if they send us a future pick. They've also got Capela signed for the next few years. He's overpaid but we might actually be able to use him to back up Sarr and Bagley. Could bring him in if it means adding a better pick.

I also wouldn't mind the idea of Sabonis here. He's a solid player, if all we have to give up are Midds and some of the young guys who may not be part of the future here. Tristan was born to be a Sacramento King.

We'd be selling our offseason cap space early, but that's a handful of decent vets and we should get at least one good pick out of these trades.

[pcbothwel]

That’s a yes for me. Eason is one of the ones that got away. A draft favorite we could have had.

My targets with that 80-100 cap number would be:

Duren
Reaves
Eason
Kessler
Grimes.

I’d expect Duren and Reaves to be re-signed. Though I’d bet Winger could structure a contract that would be smart for us and hard to match without pain. And possibly dangle sign and trade inducement if there’s a way to push it over the top.

Eason Kessler and Grimes I think could be had though for various reasons.

i agree with Duren & Reaves, but not sure overpaying Eason and Kessler makes too much sense. Both players are a bit redundant and I dont see how we garner much value unless we get a cheap deal ($15-20M/year).

We'll see where we are in the summer, but I would add Zion to that last below Reaves. Sarr's rim protection and shooting compliment Zion really well, and we dont have another lead guard/engine. What other team can offer him the money, contractual flexibility, and a playmaking role?
I would be open to a short term buy low contract, or even a reduced version of his current contract (e.g. 30/year with 2 TO's) if he looks good the rest of the year.

I have zero faith that Zion can stay healthy. There's no point in acquiring and paying a player who doesn't play when you need him.

Maybe, and then we can dump him after 1 year. No harm no foul. Its not like we are a contender.
But if he hits, then he becomes a big trade target with a tolerable salary and unguaranteed years for injury risk.

How crazy is it that NOP has $100M/year tied up in Zion/Poole/Dejonte... and none of them were BYODs, but actually 'assets' in NOP's mind.
Essshhh

[Rafael122]

Random idea:

Cleveland is paying an insane luxury tax this year of $163.8M. The luxtax multipliers are totally ridiculous once you get about $12M over the tax. If Cleveland were to shed Lonzo Ball's $10M contract (second year is a TO so it is effectively expiring), they would save a whopping $59.3M in luxtax payments (plus the prorated amount of his $10M salary).

Lonzo has been awful this year, with a TS% of .416. As the deadline approaches, they might be willing to dump him. We could absorb Lonzo into our Kelly Olynyk TPE. How much in pick capital would Cleveland's owner be willing to spend in order to save roughly $64M dollars?

Unfortunately, these are not the kinds of trade ideas worth posting on the general Trade Board because fans have no way of assessing how much an owner is willing to lose money.

I would go after Garland. Just something I cooked up:

Washington receives: Darius Garland
Cleveland receives: CJ McCollum, Malakai Branham, Haywood Highsmith
Brooklyn receives: Max Strus
Utah receives: Lonzo Ball

It puts Cleveland at the first apron. No idea on picks. I assume some seconds from Brooklyn and Utah go to Cleveland. We could trade that GSW 1st in 2030 to Cleveland as well, but this eases their burden a bit and they still have Allen that they could flip.

[Frichuela]

Random idea:

Cleveland is paying an insane luxury tax this year of $163.8M. The luxtax multipliers are totally ridiculous once you get about $12M over the tax. If Cleveland were to shed Lonzo Ball's $10M contract (second year is a TO so it is effectively expiring), they would save a whopping $59.3M in luxtax payments (plus the prorated amount of his $10M salary).

Lonzo has been awful this year, with a TS% of .416. As the deadline approaches, they might be willing to dump him. We could absorb Lonzo into our Kelly Olynyk TPE. How much in pick capital would Cleveland's owner be willing to spend in order to save roughly $64M dollars?

Unfortunately, these are not the kinds of trade ideas worth posting on the general Trade Board because fans have no way of assessing how much an owner is willing to lose money.

I would go after Garland. Just something I cooked up:

Washington receives: Darius Garland
Cleveland receives: CJ McCollum, Malakai Branham, Haywood Highsmith
Brooklyn receives: Max Strus
Utah receives: Lonzo Ball

It puts Cleveland at the first apron. No idea on picks. I assume some seconds from Brooklyn and Utah go to Cleveland. We could trade that GSW 1st in 2030 to Cleveland as well, but this eases their burden a bit and they still have Allen that they could flip.

Not sure about this...

Garland is having a pretty bad year so far: 28% from 3 and 43% from 2, way below his average percentages. He is also having a materially lower steal rate and higher than average turnovers.

Has he been playing injured? His ORtg and DRtg is also pretty awful, and way worse than in previous seasons.

He has 2 more years left on his contract after this season...This is equivalent to trading for Sabonis but at the PG spot...If I was Dawkins I'd lean for the latter but I guess these hypotheticals would hinge significantly on the price SAC or CLE would be willing to accept...

[Frichuela]

Actually, Rafael's idea is more than a hypothetical. Similar to Sabonis, some rumors are emerging in X:

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[Rafael122]

Random idea:

Cleveland is paying an insane luxury tax this year of $163.8M. The luxtax multipliers are totally ridiculous once you get about $12M over the tax. If Cleveland were to shed Lonzo Ball's $10M contract (second year is a TO so it is effectively expiring), they would save a whopping $59.3M in luxtax payments (plus the prorated amount of his $10M salary).

Lonzo has been awful this year, with a TS% of .416. As the deadline approaches, they might be willing to dump him. We could absorb Lonzo into our Kelly Olynyk TPE. How much in pick capital would Cleveland's owner be willing to spend in order to save roughly $64M dollars?

Unfortunately, these are not the kinds of trade ideas worth posting on the general Trade Board because fans have no way of assessing how much an owner is willing to lose money.

I would go after Garland. Just something I cooked up:

Washington receives: Darius Garland
Cleveland receives: CJ McCollum, Malakai Branham, Haywood Highsmith
Brooklyn receives: Max Strus
Utah receives: Lonzo Ball

It puts Cleveland at the first apron. No idea on picks. I assume some seconds from Brooklyn and Utah go to Cleveland. We could trade that GSW 1st in 2030 to Cleveland as well, but this eases their burden a bit and they still have Allen that they could flip.

Not sure about this...

Garland is having a pretty bad year so far: 28% from 3 and 43% from 2, way below his average percentages. He is also having a materially lower steal rate and higher than average turnovers.

Has he been playing injured? His ORtg and DRtg is also pretty awful, and way worse than in previous seasons.

He has 2 more years left on his contract after this season...This is equivalent to trading for Sabonis but at the PG spot...If I was Dawkins I'd lean for the latter but I guess these hypotheticals would hinge significantly on the price SAC or CLE would be willing to accept...

He had surgery on his big toe in the offseason I believe. It's probably not fully healed, so I'd trade and sit him the rest of the way.

[Frichuela]

I would go after Garland. Just something I cooked up:

Washington receives: Darius Garland
Cleveland receives: CJ McCollum, Malakai Branham, Haywood Highsmith
Brooklyn receives: Max Strus
Utah receives: Lonzo Ball

It puts Cleveland at the first apron. No idea on picks. I assume some seconds from Brooklyn and Utah go to Cleveland. We could trade that GSW 1st in 2030 to Cleveland as well, but this eases their burden a bit and they still have Allen that they could flip.

Not sure about this...

Garland is having a pretty bad year so far: 28% from 3 and 43% from 2, way below his average percentages. He is also having a materially lower steal rate and higher than average turnovers.

Has he been playing injured? His ORtg and DRtg is also pretty awful, and way worse than in previous seasons.

He has 2 more years left on his contract after this season...This is equivalent to trading for Sabonis but at the PG spot...If I was Dawkins I'd lean for the latter but I guess these hypotheticals would hinge significantly on the price SAC or CLE would be willing to accept...

He had surgery on his big toe in the offseason I believe. It's probably not fully healed, so I'd trade and sit him the rest of the way.

Agreed. That should be the right approach.

Trading for Garland would allow us to pick any of the big 4 in the upcoming draft, without any positional issues. Even Peterson is more of a combo guard so him and Garland in a backcourt could work given his size (around 6'5" without shoes).

Would Cleveland bite on Rafael's offer? Or something like McCollum+Cam+GS 2030 1st (top 20 protected)?

[nate33]

Random idea:

Cleveland is paying an insane luxury tax this year of $163.8M. The luxtax multipliers are totally ridiculous once you get about $12M over the tax. If Cleveland were to shed Lonzo Ball's $10M contract (second year is a TO so it is effectively expiring), they would save a whopping $59.3M in luxtax payments (plus the prorated amount of his $10M salary).

Lonzo has been awful this year, with a TS% of .416. As the deadline approaches, they might be willing to dump him. We could absorb Lonzo into our Kelly Olynyk TPE. How much in pick capital would Cleveland's owner be willing to spend in order to save roughly $64M dollars?

Unfortunately, these are not the kinds of trade ideas worth posting on the general Trade Board because fans have no way of assessing how much an owner is willing to lose money.

I would go after Garland. Just something I cooked up:

Washington receives: Darius Garland
Cleveland receives: CJ McCollum, Malakai Branham, Haywood Highsmith
Brooklyn receives: Max Strus
Utah receives: Lonzo Ball

It puts Cleveland at the first apron. No idea on picks. I assume some seconds from Brooklyn and Utah go to Cleveland. We could trade that GSW 1st in 2030 to Cleveland as well, but this eases their burden a bit and they still have Allen that they could flip.

Not sure about this...

Garland is having a pretty bad year so far: 28% from 3 and 43% from 2, way below his average percentages. He is also having a materially lower steal rate and higher than average turnovers.

Has he been playing injured? His ORtg and DRtg is also pretty awful, and way worse than in previous seasons.

He has 2 more years left on his contract after this season...This is equivalent to trading for Sabonis but at the PG spot...If I was Dawkins I'd lean for the latter but I guess these hypotheticals would hinge significantly on the price SAC or CLE would be willing to accept...

I think it's an interesting idea. Garland is playing hurt with a gimpy big toe. If we made this deal, we could sit him for the rest of the season so that he could truly get his big toe right.

Like with Sabonis, I wouldn't trade anything of significant value for Garland. This would be an opportunistic trade under the pretense that Cleveland just needs to save some money. Ultimately, I doubt they would part with Garland for just salary savings.

Also, the mechanics of such a deal are difficult to pull off. Cleveland is over the second apron. The can't aggregate players, nor can they take on more salary than they send out. It has to be a one-for-one trade. McCollum for Garland straight up doesn't quite work. We'd need to throw in an extra minimum salary contract. And then we would only be saving Cleveland $7M. I don't see them dumping Garland just to save $7M.

We could technically save Cleveland more money by simply absorbing Ball into our TPE. Cleveland might give up pick capital for that. It saves them $64M factoring the luxtax.

[JAR69]

I've been playing around with trades based on Bagley for a pick swap of our 2026 OKC pick. A playoff team with a need for a backup center might value Bagley's productivity and minimum contract. My top target is the Knicks - they could use an innings-eating productive center to let KAT and Robinson rest during the regular season.

It could be just Bagley for salary filler (Hukporti or Dadiet) and the swap. We would give up Bagley's production for moving up 2-7 spots in the back end of a deep draft.

Another option is Bagley for Yabusele and the swap. I don't mind the extra year of Yabu at $5.8 million in 2026-27 (plus the extra $3.2 million this year). Plus the Knicks would like that extra $3.2 million is apron space to find a backup PG.

I get that Bagley is well-liked, a still-young vet, and becoming somewhat productive. But he probably isn't part of the long-term plan, and incremental moves up the draft can matter.

[nate33]

I've been playing around with trades based on Bagley for a pick swap of our 2026 OKC pick. A playoff team with a need for a backup center might value Bagley's productivity and minimum contract. My top target is the Knicks - they could use an innings-eating productive center to let KAT and Robinson rest during the regular season.

It could be just Bagley for salary filler (Hukporti or Dadiet) and the swap. We would give up Bagley's production for moving up 2-7 spots in the back end of a deep draft.

Another option is Bagley for Yabusele and the swap. I don't mind the extra year of Yabu at $5.8 million in 2026-27 (plus the extra $3.2 million this year). Plus the Knicks would like that extra $3.2 million is apron space to find a backup PG.

I get that Bagley is well-liked, a still-young vet, and becoming somewhat productive. But he probably isn't part of the long-term plan, and incremental moves up the draft can matter.

Bagley is an unrestricted free agent this summer. We have no control over his future. So if there's an opportunity to trade him for value, we absolutely should do so.

[pcbothwel]

I would go after Garland. Just something I cooked up:

Washington receives: Darius Garland
Cleveland receives: CJ McCollum, Malakai Branham, Haywood Highsmith
Brooklyn receives: Max Strus
Utah receives: Lonzo Ball

It puts Cleveland at the first apron. No idea on picks. I assume some seconds from Brooklyn and Utah go to Cleveland. We could trade that GSW 1st in 2030 to Cleveland as well, but this eases their burden a bit and they still have Allen that they could flip.

Not sure about this...

Garland is having a pretty bad year so far: 28% from 3 and 43% from 2, way below his average percentages. He is also having a materially lower steal rate and higher than average turnovers.

Has he been playing injured? His ORtg and DRtg is also pretty awful, and way worse than in previous seasons.

He has 2 more years left on his contract after this season...This is equivalent to trading for Sabonis but at the PG spot...If I was Dawkins I'd lean for the latter but I guess these hypotheticals would hinge significantly on the price SAC or CLE would be willing to accept...

I think it's an interesting idea. Garland is playing hurt with a gimpy big toe. If we made this deal, we could sit him for the rest of the season so that he could truly get his big toe right.

Like with Sabonis, I wouldn't trade anything of significant value for Garland. This would be an opportunistic trade under the pretense that Cleveland just needs to save some money. Ultimately, I doubt they would part with Garland for just salary savings.

Also, the mechanics of such a deal are difficult to pull off. Cleveland is over the second apron. The can't aggregate players, nor can they take on more salary than they send out. It has to be a one-for-one trade. McCollum for Garland straight up doesn't quite work. We'd need to throw in an extra minimum salary contract. And then we would only be saving Cleveland $7M. I don't see them dumping Garland just to save $7M.

We could technically save Cleveland more money by simply absorbing Ball into our TPE. Cleveland might give up pick capital for that. It saves them $64M factoring the luxtax.

Nate, i would offer to trade Cj + Filler for Ball and Garland... Save them a TON of money, but thats it. No real assets.
As I mentioned in another thread, these smallish lead guards with no versatility and defense really put a ceiling on your team unless they be a 60+TS and 30+ usage. Garland has played in 22 playoff games the last 3 years, to which he has averaged 17/5/3 with a TS of 54% and terrible defense.
Im just not that excited to pay ~43M/year for that...but I guess it could be worse.

[Rafael122]

I would go after Garland. Just something I cooked up:

Washington receives: Darius Garland
Cleveland receives: CJ McCollum, Malakai Branham, Haywood Highsmith
Brooklyn receives: Max Strus
Utah receives: Lonzo Ball

It puts Cleveland at the first apron. No idea on picks. I assume some seconds from Brooklyn and Utah go to Cleveland. We could trade that GSW 1st in 2030 to Cleveland as well, but this eases their burden a bit and they still have Allen that they could flip.

Not sure about this...

Garland is having a pretty bad year so far: 28% from 3 and 43% from 2, way below his average percentages. He is also having a materially lower steal rate and higher than average turnovers.

Has he been playing injured? His ORtg and DRtg is also pretty awful, and way worse than in previous seasons.

He has 2 more years left on his contract after this season...This is equivalent to trading for Sabonis but at the PG spot...If I was Dawkins I'd lean for the latter but I guess these hypotheticals would hinge significantly on the price SAC or CLE would be willing to accept...

I think it's an interesting idea. Garland is playing hurt with a gimpy big toe. If we made this deal, we could sit him for the rest of the season so that he could truly get his big toe right.

Like with Sabonis, I wouldn't trade anything of significant value for Garland. This would be an opportunistic trade under the pretense that Cleveland just needs to save some money. Ultimately, I doubt they would part with Garland for just salary savings.

Also, the mechanics of such a deal are difficult to pull off. Cleveland is over the second apron. The can't aggregate players, nor can they take on more salary than they send out. It has to be a one-for-one trade. McCollum for Garland straight up doesn't quite work. We'd need to throw in an extra minimum salary contract. And then we would only be saving Cleveland $7M. I don't see them dumping Garland just to save $7M.

We could technically save Cleveland more money by simply absorbing Ball into our TPE. Cleveland might give up pick capital for that. It saves them $64M factoring the luxtax.

The trade I suggested works on Spotrac and takes Cleveland to the first apron. I think the way it works is because Cleveland is sending players out to 3 different teams, its technically not aggregating players, and the only pieces coming back are Branham, McCollum and Highsmith who combined make close to what Garland is making. And they're all expirings as well. The picks stuff would sort its way but Garland, Young, Ball are all players Washington should look into trading for and they have the contracts to make something work. I would want to trade that GSW pick in 2030 because I highly doubt the Warriors will be in contention at that point which means the pick will never convey.

[nate33]

Not sure about this...

Garland is having a pretty bad year so far: 28% from 3 and 43% from 2, way below his average percentages. He is also having a materially lower steal rate and higher than average turnovers.

Has he been playing injured? His ORtg and DRtg is also pretty awful, and way worse than in previous seasons.

He has 2 more years left on his contract after this season...This is equivalent to trading for Sabonis but at the PG spot...If I was Dawkins I'd lean for the latter but I guess these hypotheticals would hinge significantly on the price SAC or CLE would be willing to accept...

I think it's an interesting idea. Garland is playing hurt with a gimpy big toe. If we made this deal, we could sit him for the rest of the season so that he could truly get his big toe right.

Like with Sabonis, I wouldn't trade anything of significant value for Garland. This would be an opportunistic trade under the pretense that Cleveland just needs to save some money. Ultimately, I doubt they would part with Garland for just salary savings.

Also, the mechanics of such a deal are difficult to pull off. Cleveland is over the second apron. The can't aggregate players, nor can they take on more salary than they send out. It has to be a one-for-one trade. McCollum for Garland straight up doesn't quite work. We'd need to throw in an extra minimum salary contract. And then we would only be saving Cleveland $7M. I don't see them dumping Garland just to save $7M.

We could technically save Cleveland more money by simply absorbing Ball into our TPE. Cleveland might give up pick capital for that. It saves them $64M factoring the luxtax.

Nate, i would offer to trade Cj + Filler for Ball and Garland... Save them a TON of money, but thats it. No real assets.
As I mentioned in another thread, these smallish lead guards with no versatility and defense really put a ceiling on your team unless they be a 60+TS and 30+ usage. Garland has played in 22 playoff games the last 3 years, to which he has averaged 17/5/3 with a TS of 54% and terrible defense.
Im just not that excited to pay ~43M/year for that...but I guess it could be worse.

They can't do that. They can't combine two outgoing players into the same deal. It would have to be two separate trades: Garland for McCollum + Gill. Then Lonzo into our TPE.

I'm not excited about it, not because I don't think Garland is good. I just don't think Garland can stay healthy. And I don't see Cleveland just giving away Garland like that.

[nate33]

Not sure about this...

Garland is having a pretty bad year so far: 28% from 3 and 43% from 2, way below his average percentages. He is also having a materially lower steal rate and higher than average turnovers.

Has he been playing injured? His ORtg and DRtg is also pretty awful, and way worse than in previous seasons.

He has 2 more years left on his contract after this season...This is equivalent to trading for Sabonis but at the PG spot...If I was Dawkins I'd lean for the latter but I guess these hypotheticals would hinge significantly on the price SAC or CLE would be willing to accept...

I think it's an interesting idea. Garland is playing hurt with a gimpy big toe. If we made this deal, we could sit him for the rest of the season so that he could truly get his big toe right.

Like with Sabonis, I wouldn't trade anything of significant value for Garland. This would be an opportunistic trade under the pretense that Cleveland just needs to save some money. Ultimately, I doubt they would part with Garland for just salary savings.

Also, the mechanics of such a deal are difficult to pull off. Cleveland is over the second apron. The can't aggregate players, nor can they take on more salary than they send out. It has to be a one-for-one trade. McCollum for Garland straight up doesn't quite work. We'd need to throw in an extra minimum salary contract. And then we would only be saving Cleveland $7M. I don't see them dumping Garland just to save $7M.

We could technically save Cleveland more money by simply absorbing Ball into our TPE. Cleveland might give up pick capital for that. It saves them $64M factoring the luxtax.

The trade I suggested works on Spotrac and takes Cleveland to the first apron. I think the way it works is because Cleveland is sending players out to 3 different teams, its technically not aggregating players, and the only pieces coming back are Branham, McCollum and Highsmith who combined make close to what Garland is making. And they're all expirings as well. The picks stuff would sort its way but Garland, Young, Ball are all players Washington should look into trading for and they have the contracts to make something work. I would want to trade that GSW pick in 2030 because I highly doubt the Warriors will be in contention at that point which means the pick will never convey.

You need to flesh out that deal some more. Why is Utah absorbing Lonzo Ball? Why would Cleveland give away Max Strus? What SRP's are involved. It looks like we are just adding Garland at no cost. I don't see that happening.

[9 and 20]

Why wouldn't signing Trae Young in the offseason be better than trading a bunch of stuff for Garland now? Unless the Cavs just want to dump him for CJ, which I'm not sure they would.

[AFM]

Because Trae Young is ass!!!!!

[tontoz]

Pass on Trae and Garland.

[Frichuela]

On Garland’s injury concerns…Troy Haliburton and others were saying on X that his turf toe condition could be chronic…If that is the case. I’d stay away…

[gambitx777]

Again! I'll take anyone in a. Salary dump situation!

In relation to garland. His numbers are way way down. Although he would be an upgrade at PG for us.

Maybe he could be a solid reclamation project and a stabilizing force. Still young too.

Two trades we could make for him

Garland

For

Package A
CJ
Coulibaly
Or
Package B
CJ
Branham
Whittmore
2 seconds

That's about how id value garland with his current level of play, his contract, the cavs situation

Can they get better, maybe. But that's what I'd offer.



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