Official Trade Thread Part XLVII

[TGW]

Garland...always hurt, doesn't defend well. Paid a whole bunch. Probably not the guy they should be going for.

[DukeLecker]

Trading Deni to tank and ending up with an undersized, below average athlete trio of Bub, Tre, and Garland is John Nash & Wes Unseld level roster construction. Acquiring garland will ensure the Wiz stay at 25-30 win for another half decade.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Garland...always hurt, doesn't defend well. Paid a whole bunch. Probably not the guy they should be going for.

Sounds like Bradley Beal.

[pcbothwel]

Garland...always hurt, doesn't defend well. Paid a whole bunch. Probably not the guy they should be going for.

Sounds like Bradley Beal.

Prime Beal was better than Prime Garland. Garland is more Poor man's Kyrie/Rich man's Jeff Teague

[Rafael122]

Again! I'll take anyone in a. Salary dump situation!

In relation to garland. His numbers are way way down. Although he would be an upgrade at PG for us.

Maybe he could be a solid reclamation project and a stabilizing force. Still young too.

Two trades we could make for him

Garland

For

Package A
CJ
Coulibaly
Or
Package B
CJ
Branham
Whittmore
2 seconds

That's about how id value garland with his current level of play, his contract, the cavs situation

Can they get better, maybe. But that's what I'd offer.



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Yeah like...I'm not trading any of the youngsters unless its for someone better than Garland. I'm not saying Bilal or Bub would be All-Stars but I'm already doing you the favor of taking on a distressed asset with a bad contract and a guy that doesn't fit with your franchise guy AND I'm trading two of my young prospects? Pass.

[pcbothwel]

I'm continually underwhelmed by the 2027 class and want to make our final plunge this year.
- Deadline: Trade OKC pick (30) in a swap for a team in the 22-26 range.
- Pre-Draft: Trade our 2027 pick with minimal protection (Top 3?) for the highest pick this year. Im thinking the Jazz pick (11) going to OKC. OKC HAS to move 1-2 of their 1st and it cant be for another player, so it will need to be a future pick.
Dream draft:
1-3) Peterson/AJ/Boozer
10-12) Yaxel, Quaintance, Lopez, Carr, Avdalas
23-25) De Larrea, Byrd
2nd Round) Christian Anderson, Toppin, Swain, Center

Peterson
Tre
KG
Yaxel
Sarr

Bench: Bub, Riley, Bilal, Watkins, Swain

[Dark Faze]

I'm continually underwhelmed by the 2027 class and want to make our final plunge this year.
- Deadline: Trade OKC pick (30) in a swap for a team in the 22-26 range.
- Pre-Draft: Trade our 2027 pick with minimal protection (Top 3?) for the highest pick this year. Im thinking the Jazz pick (11) going to OKC. OKC HAS to move 1-2 of their 1st and it cant be for another player, so it will need to be a future pick.
Dream draft:
1-3) Peterson/AJ/Boozer
10-12) Yaxel, Quaintance, Lopez, Carr, Avdalas
23-25) De Larrea, Byrd
2nd Round) Christian Anderson, Toppin, Swain, Center

Peterson
Tre
KG
Yaxel
Sarr

Bench: Bub, Riley, Bilal, Watkins, Swain

I'd like to go all in on this draft, even giving up the Portland pick and our 2027 1st (top 3 protected), but I just don't think it's likely to happen.

If the Utah pick does convey at pick 9 to OKC, then it's the one pick you keep if you're Presti. You move the other ones. He's too good in that range to move it. I'd argue 2027 Was 1st (top 3 prot) + 2029 Por 1st + Bilal might not be enough to get 2026 #9.

I think our best chance would be to target OKC's pick from Philly which will probably be closer to #20 and might cost us only the Portland pick.

Then we have #20, #30. If we absolutely love someone in the 17ish range we might be able to move up a few spots by including #30. That would depend on how things are falling in real time on draft night. Otherwise expect to keep both.

[The Consiglieri]

Maybe it's just me, but I thought this idea was just an obscene swindle. I don't expect to get a pot of gold for McCollum, but this deal from theathletic just sounds like offering someone the opportunity to kick you in the balls, and little else.....

".....One thought bubble, if the LA Clippers can get off the mat in the next eight weeks: Would they trade two seconds along with the expiring money of John Collins, Kobe Brown and Chris Paul, to get McCollum?...."

[nate33]

I'm continually underwhelmed by the 2027 class and want to make our final plunge this year.
- Deadline: Trade OKC pick (30) in a swap for a team in the 22-26 range.
- Pre-Draft: Trade our 2027 pick with minimal protection (Top 3?) for the highest pick this year. Im thinking the Jazz pick (11) going to OKC. OKC HAS to move 1-2 of their 1st and it cant be for another player, so it will need to be a future pick.
Dream draft:
1-3) Peterson/AJ/Boozer
10-12) Yaxel, Quaintance, Lopez, Carr, Avdalas
23-25) De Larrea, Byrd
2nd Round) Christian Anderson, Toppin, Swain, Center

Peterson
Tre
KG
Yaxel
Sarr

Bench: Bub, Riley, Bilal, Watkins, Swain

I'd like to go all in on this draft, even giving up the Portland pick and our 2027 1st (top 3 protected), but I just don't think it's likely to happen.

If the Utah pick does convey at pick 9 to OKC, then it's the one pick you keep if you're Presti. You move the other ones. He's too good in that range to move it. I'd argue 2027 Was 1st (top 3 prot) + 2029 Por 1st + Bilal might not be enough to get 2026 #9.

I think our best chance would be to target OKC's pick from Philly which will probably be closer to #20 and might cost us only the Portland pick.

Then we have #20, #30. If we absolutely love someone in the 17ish range we might be able to move up a few spots by including #30. That would depend on how things are falling in real time on draft night. Otherwise expect to keep both.

I think OKC will draft Yaxel with the highest pick they have (LAC or UTA). They will probably trade several of their other picks due to cap constraints. We can certainly try to buy some of them. My guess is that OKC would want picks further down the line - not 2027 picks, but something in the 2028-2030 range.

I think they will also be willing to trade away Topic for the right price. They just don't have room for him in the rotation with SGA, Wallace, Ajay, Joe and probably one of Caruso/Dort in the rotation ahead of him, so they will want to move off of his $5.5M salary. Exactly what the price is, I'm not sure. I hope we can get him for just salary relief and a late FRP.

I wonder if a deal can be worked out so OKC trades Caruso for a bad contract and a pick - sends that bad contract plus Topic to us, and keeps the pick for themselves. Ultimately we would be buying Topic by using cap room to take on that bad contract.

[pcbothwel]

I'm continually underwhelmed by the 2027 class and want to make our final plunge this year.
- Deadline: Trade OKC pick (30) in a swap for a team in the 22-26 range.
- Pre-Draft: Trade our 2027 pick with minimal protection (Top 3?) for the highest pick this year. Im thinking the Jazz pick (11) going to OKC. OKC HAS to move 1-2 of their 1st and it cant be for another player, so it will need to be a future pick.
Dream draft:
1-3) Peterson/AJ/Boozer
10-12) Yaxel, Quaintance, Lopez, Carr, Avdalas
23-25) De Larrea, Byrd
2nd Round) Christian Anderson, Toppin, Swain, Center

Peterson
Tre
KG
Yaxel
Sarr

Bench: Bub, Riley, Bilal, Watkins, Swain

I'd like to go all in on this draft, even giving up the Portland pick and our 2027 1st (top 3 protected), but I just don't think it's likely to happen.

If the Utah pick does convey at pick 9 to OKC, then it's the one pick you keep if you're Presti. You move the other ones. He's too good in that range to move it. I'd argue 2027 Was 1st (top 3 prot) + 2029 Por 1st + Bilal might not be enough to get 2026 #9.

I think our best chance would be to target OKC's pick from Philly which will probably be closer to #20 and might cost us only the Portland pick.

Then we have #20, #30. If we absolutely love someone in the 17ish range we might be able to move up a few spots by including #30. That would depend on how things are falling in real time on draft night. Otherwise expect to keep both.

OKC CANNOT keep the LAC, UTAH, Houston, and Philly picks. If you assume they let the RFA's walk, they have 14 players under contracts...and their last 2 1st round picks, both top 15 picks, havent even played yet.
So they need to trade 1-2 of those picks for either players or future picks. They cant take on more players, so its future picks only.
Now, they could elect to keep the LAC & Utah picks and trade the Philly or Rockets pick. But the package they get back will be commensurate with that and will probably be a 2028+ pick in the 20-30 range...Fine.

But I personally think they prefer to add high end prospect (LAC or Utah pick) and POSSIBLY one mid/late 1st for cheaper depth.
So I would offer the 2027 pick with minimal protection for 1 of their lotto picks this year. Depending on where that pick is, we can amend the 2027 pick protection, make it a swap, or even add the POR/GSW future pick... Not important at this time.

Side note. Im really trying to find a pick swap by the deadline for the OKC pick we have this year (#30). We are the only 'sellers' currently picking in the 20-30 range, and therefore the only ones looking to move assets to move up. The Bucks, Celtics, Spurs, GSW, Raptors and Heat are all picking in the 15-22 range and could be a good match.
Heat - CJ + Cam for Rozier + Fontecchio with a pick swap?

[nate33]

Side note. Im really trying to find a pick swap by the deadline for the OKC pick we have this year (#30). We are the only 'sellers' currently picking in the 20-30 range, and therefore the only ones looking to move assets to move up. The Bucks, Celtics, Spurs, GSW, Raptors and Heat are all picking in the 15-22 range and could be a good match.
Heat - CJ + Cam for Rozier + Fontecchio with a pick swap?

With the emergence of Pat Spencer in Golden State, Buddy Hield is a bit redundant. Heild is also playing terribly this year, with a TS% of .536 and a 3P% of just .315.

We could absorb Hield into our Olynyk TPE. It would save Golden State $9.2M off of their books, which actually translates into $50M in luxtax savings plus the $5M or so in prorated salary they wouldn't have to pay him.

Would Golden State trade down from #15 to #30 in order to save a whopping $55M?

Hield has $3M of guaranteed money owed next year, which we would also have to eat. But that's peanuts.

[nate33]

[Side note. Im really trying to find a pick swap by the deadline for the OKC pick we have this year (#30). We are the only 'sellers' currently picking in the 20-30 range, and therefore the only ones looking to move assets to move up. The Bucks, Celtics, Spurs, GSW, Raptors and Heat are all picking in the 15-22 range and could be a good match.
Heat - CJ + Cam for Rozier + Fontecchio with a pick swap?

Guerschon Yabusele has been amazingly sucky in NY. He is averaging just 11 points and 8 boards per 36, shooting 29% from 3. If NY could get someone to absorb his $5.5M contract, it would save them $22.3M in luxtax fees plus the $3M or so in prorated salary they wouldn't have to pay him. They would probably wait until the Trade Deadline to confirm that Robinson remains healthy before doing this.

Would NY trade down from #27 to #30 to save $22.3M? I assume they would. If NY slips just a little in the standings, they could easily fall to the #25 pick.

[nate33]

Dallas is pretty far into the luxury tax too so the penalty is pretty high. If they can move $5.8M of salary, they will save $19.2M in luxtax payments. The only problem there is that they surely won't trade a lottery pick to make that happen. They would need to win more games and get themselves firmly in a play-in position before they would contemplate trading down from their pick to our #30 in order to save money.

TLDR: Cleveland, Golden State, NY and Dallas are the deepest into the luxtax so that every dollar saved saves them 3.5x to 6.5x that amount off of their luxury tax. Those are the teams to target if we are going to absorb a smallish contract into the Olynyk TPE. Lonzo Ball, Buddy Hield and Yabusele make the most sense.

[dckingsfan]

I'm continually underwhelmed by the 2027 class and want to make our final plunge this year.
- Deadline: Trade OKC pick (30) in a swap for a team in the 22-26 range.
- Pre-Draft: Trade our 2027 pick with minimal protection (Top 3?) for the highest pick this year. Im thinking the Jazz pick (11) going to OKC. OKC HAS to move 1-2 of their 1st and it cant be for another player, so it will need to be a future pick.
Dream draft:
1-3) Peterson/AJ/Boozer
10-12) Yaxel, Quaintance, Lopez, Carr, Avdalas
23-25) De Larrea, Byrd
2nd Round) Christian Anderson, Toppin, Swain, Center

Peterson
Tre
KG
Yaxel
Sarr

Bench: Bub, Riley, Bilal, Watkins, Swain

I'd like to go all in on this draft, even giving up the Portland pick and our 2027 1st (top 3 protected), but I just don't think it's likely to happen.

If the Utah pick does convey at pick 9 to OKC, then it's the one pick you keep if you're Presti. You move the other ones. He's too good in that range to move it. I'd argue 2027 Was 1st (top 3 prot) + 2029 Por 1st + Bilal might not be enough to get 2026 #9.

I think our best chance would be to target OKC's pick from Philly which will probably be closer to #20 and might cost us only the Portland pick.

Then we have #20, #30. If we absolutely love someone in the 17ish range we might be able to move up a few spots by including #30. That would depend on how things are falling in real time on draft night. Otherwise expect to keep both.

OKC CANNOT keep the LAC, UTAH, Houston, and Philly picks. If you assume they let the RFA's walk, they have 14 players under contracts...and their last 2 1st round picks, both top 15 picks, havent even played yet.
So they need to trade 1-2 of those picks for either players or future picks. They cant take on more players, so its future picks only.
Now, they could elect to keep the LAC & Utah picks and trade the Philly or Rockets pick. But the package they get back will be commensurate with that and will probably be a 2028+ pick in the 20-30 range...Fine.

But I personally think they prefer to add high end prospect (LAC or Utah pick) and POSSIBLY one mid/late 1st for cheaper depth.
So I would offer the 2027 pick with minimal protection for 1 of their lotto picks this year. Depending on where that pick is, we can amend the 2027 pick protection, make it a swap, or even add the POR/GSW future pick... Not important at this time.

Side note. Im really trying to find a pick swap by the deadline for the OKC pick we have this year (#30). We are the only 'sellers' currently picking in the 20-30 range, and therefore the only ones looking to move assets to move up. The Bucks, Celtics, Spurs, GSW, Raptors and Heat are all picking in the 15-22 range and could be a good match.
Heat - CJ + Cam for Rozier + Fontecchio with a pick swap?

It will be interesting to see what they do.

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Chet Holmgren             23   $41,500,000
Jalen Williams            24   $41,500,000
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander   27   $40,806,150
Isaiah Hartenstein        27   $28,500,000
Alex Caruso               31   $19,550,160
Luguentz Dort             26   $18,222,222
Isaiah Joe                26   $11,323,006
Aaron Wiggins             26    $9,224,300
Jaylin Williams           23    $7,774,648
Cason Wallace             22    $7,420,806
Kenrich Williams          31    $7,163,000
Nikola Topić              20    $5,429,760
Thomas Sorber             19    $4,887,720
Ajay Mitchell             23    $2,850,000

That is $246,151,772 total but... the following are team options.

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Isaiah Hartenstein    27   $28,500,000
Luguentz Dort         26   $18,222,222
Kenrich Williams      31    $7,163,000

That is $53,885,222. My guess

They trade those three to teams that have an abundance of cap space for draft assets? But it is kind of like Monopoly, shouldn't you gang up on the player that is winning? They aren't going that deep in the luxury tax (opinion). Make them waive the three players.

That would get them to 11 under contract and 4 FRPs to take their place?

[pcbothwel]

They trade those three to teams that have an abundance of cap space for draft assets? But it is kind of like Monopoly, shouldn't you gang up on the player that is winning? They aren't going that deep in the luxury tax (opinion). Make them waive the three players.

That would get them to 11 under contract and 4 FRPs to take their place?

I have no doubt that they COULD fit 4 first round picks on the team on paper.
But again, they would have HALF the team on their rookie contracts, and NONE of those players would start. OKC is smart and in this thing for the long haul, well after SGA is gone. To do that, they need to keep the show going and get picks beyond 2029 as they only have one 1st (Denver) 2029+ that is not their own.
Just look at recent history.
2024: the 24th pick we used to draft Kyshawn actually came from OKC. They traded that pick to Dallas straight up in exchange for a pick swap in 2028. Let me repeat that. They gave up the 24th pick for the right to pick swap with a team that was in the finals 6 months ago and had a 24 y/o SUPERSTAR (Luka). It was a pure dump as they didnt want ANOTHER rookie on the team.

2025: After they drafted Sorber (#15), OKC traded pick 24 (Im seeing a pattern) to the Kings and passing on Clifford, Jase, Wolf, Hugo, McNeeley, Flemming, Kalkbrenner, etc... and what did they get? They received the Spurs 2027 1st with top 16 protection. So again, they traded the 24th pick for a highly protected 1st 2 years later from a team that has Fox, Wemby, Castle, and Harper. That pick is looking like it will be in the 25-28 range.
Again.... They clearly lost value, but didnt have the roster space to endure ANOTHER rookie.

So here we are again in summer of 2026, but instead of Two 1st, they have Four 1st and an even MORE complete roster. They WILL NOT leave the 1st round with more than 2 rookies... Book it.

[payitforward]

Wow... what an interesting post & what an interesting situation! If they wind up having to shed value I would guess we'd be a more interesting partner to work with than any Western Conference team.

Could get interesting, huh?

[Dark Faze]

OKC CANNOT keep the LAC, UTAH, Houston, and Philly picks. If you assume they let the RFA's walk, they have 14 players under contracts...and their last 2 1st round picks, both top 15 picks, havent even played yet.
So they need to trade 1-2 of those picks for either players or future picks. They cant take on more players, so its future picks only.
Now, they could elect to keep the LAC & Utah picks and trade the Philly or Rockets pick. But the package they get back will be commensurate with that and will probably be a 2028+ pick in the 20-30 range...Fine.

But I personally think they prefer to add high end prospect (LAC or Utah pick) and POSSIBLY one mid/late 1st for cheaper depth.
So I would offer the 2027 pick with minimal protection for 1 of their lotto picks this year. Depending on where that pick is, we can amend the 2027 pick protection, make it a swap, or even add the POR/GSW future pick... Not important at this time.

My bad, I completely forgot about the Clips pick.

In the scenario where they somehow get the Utah pick, then I still think it's smarter to just keep both those picks and move the Houston and Philly picks, both of which are non lottery.

Right now if they lose their team option players (Dort, Hartenstein, Kenrich) and add say, 20 mil in salary (from two high 1st rounders), they'd be at around 211 mil. That's a bit over the 2nd apron. But they'll probably be under it because they are likely going to try to move a player or two in the deals that move the Houston and Philly picks. That's almost certainly got to be the play.

Would people trade WSH '27 (top 3 prot) for Topic, Hou '26, Philly '26?

[nate33]

Would people trade WSH '27 (top 3 prot) for Topic, Hou '26, Philly '26?

Absolutely, yes.

I'd also work in a deal where we absorb Caruso's salary to save them a bunch more salary. (Or maybe Caruso gets sent to a 3rd team, and the 3rd team sends a pick to OKC and a bad contract to us.)

[Dark Faze]

Would people trade WSH '27 (top 3 prot) for Topic, Hou '26, Philly '26?

Absolutely, yes.

I'd also work in a deal where we absorb Caruso's salary to save them a bunch more salary. (Or maybe Caruso gets sent to a 3rd team, and the 3rd team sends a pick to OKC and a bad contract to us.)

I'd probably try to keep Caruso and Ajay for as long as I possibly could, assuming I have to let Dort and Hart go. OKC will have to survive some degree of turnover but losing all 3 vet roleplayers this summer would be rough, and Ajay has shown too much to not try to see what he looks like next year.

Also Markkanen getting moved by deadline has to be an absolute lock despite what the FO has been advertising. He's going to be 29 by the end of the season and losing him will increase the chances of them keeping their pick significantly. I'm curious as to what they'd get as a top offer. Competing teams really can't afford to match a 50 million dollar contract. Meanwhile bad teams aren't going to want to send out a '26 lotto pick.

[pcbothwel]

OKC CANNOT keep the LAC, UTAH, Houston, and Philly picks. If you assume they let the RFA's walk, they have 14 players under contracts...and their last 2 1st round picks, both top 15 picks, havent even played yet.
So they need to trade 1-2 of those picks for either players or future picks. They cant take on more players, so its future picks only.
Now, they could elect to keep the LAC & Utah picks and trade the Philly or Rockets pick. But the package they get back will be commensurate with that and will probably be a 2028+ pick in the 20-30 range...Fine.

But I personally think they prefer to add high end prospect (LAC or Utah pick) and POSSIBLY one mid/late 1st for cheaper depth.
So I would offer the 2027 pick with minimal protection for 1 of their lotto picks this year. Depending on where that pick is, we can amend the 2027 pick protection, make it a swap, or even add the POR/GSW future pick... Not important at this time.

My bad, I completely forgot about the Clips pick.

In the scenario where they somehow get the Utah pick, then I still think it's smarter to just keep both those picks and move the Houston and Philly picks, both of which are non lottery.

Right now if they lose their team option players (Dort, Hartenstein, Kenrich) and add say, 20 mil in salary (from two high 1st rounders), they'd be at around 211 mil. That's a bit over the 2nd apron. But they'll probably be under it because they are likely going to try to move a player or two in the deals that move the Houston and Philly picks. That's almost certainly got to be the play.

Would people trade WSH '27 (top 3 prot) for Topic, Hou '26, Philly '26?

Answer your last question first...NO. That pick is very likley to be in the 4-8 range. No way do you trade that for picks 20, 25, and Topic (Probably worth pick 20-25).

To your previous point. Im sure OKC would prefer higher picks to lower pick. Duh. lol
But as their history has shown us, trading pick 20-25 will only net them a 1st in a couple year that MIGHT be in the same range.
To me, they are so good that trading one of the lotto picks for a future lotto pick in the best allocation of assets.