MLSE Ticket Sales Declining

[mihaic]

I remember buying buying THREE PAIRS of Sprite Zone tickets around 2006 (albeit not top quality opponents) for $96 all in.

Very early 2000s was $15 in the sprite zone. I think even around $12 or so.

I bought a 10 game pack for the 2006-2007 season in the Sprite Zone and it was $12.50 per game plus tax, basically $14 per game. Even in 2012 I went to a game against the Wolves, got bottom row tickets in the upper bowl endline for $44 total for the pair, those same seats now seem to be going for around $140+ for similar opposition, you have to be a dedicated fan to pay those kinds of prices. FYI, inflation adjusted that $44 price in 2025 dollars is supposedly around $60.

The inflation calculation is bs. Quality of life and value of $ was excellent when I arrived in late 99s, but went down year by year starting with the dotcom bubble

[Merit]

Prices are high, but winning cures all. I guarantee we would’ve had sellouts if we got Flagg or Harper etc.

Similarly, the leafs are horrible this year. Much of that is due to injuries to both their goalies and to their best defensemen. Nobody was complaining about the leafs last year.

As far as TFC, they are in the middle of a rebuild and have been trash for a few years. Fortunately, they have the world cup to improve their bottom line while they get themselves back to mediocre.

When it comes to the Jays we can see the impact of winning. They only have hype while they’re winning. Plus, they’re Ed Rogers pet and he spends far more on them than on the Raps and Leafs. Still - provided the raps are winning, I feel pretty confident that the money will be there for a championship push. If for no other reason because much like the Jays, the Raps are a National team.

[Westside Gunn]

To lessen the blow all they need to do is build the arenas in the suburbs.
Away from the suits.

Those mfers wont leave work early to commute to the burbs for a game.

Its the only good approach. Not everything needs to be in the city core

[tradejosehesux]

Weak economy, poor product and the success of the Jays are undoubtedly contributing factors

[FOB]

To lessen the blow all they need to do is build the arenas in the suburbs.
Away from the suits.

Those mfers wont leave work early to commute to the burbs for a game.

Its the only good approach. Not everything needs to be in the city core

One of the best things about Toronto sports is that tens of thousands of people can walk to the games. The vibe and identification it creates between a team and city when swarms of fans walk through the streets before and after a game, and fill the pubs and bars, are invaluable. So much of that was lost in european football/"soccer" when many new stadiums were built along the highways in suburbs, and I'm infinitely happy that it's different here in Toronto; especially because walkability in north america is, well, coincidental at best.

The reason for the **** athmosphere and empty seats isn't just "suits" being nearby, it's also that sellers aim to maximize their profit. Suits/corporations are paying max dollars for tickets? Cool, f*** the average joe. Hence, no incentive to sell tickets cheaper, let alone move to the suburbs.

Fixing the gross resale schemes of Ticketmaster etc. is one step. Reserving a certain amount of lower bowl seats for lower-priced tickets/fan sections, similar to standing sections in European football, would be another - of course, that's never going to happen.

[Dennis 37]

The canadian economy in general is dog sh*t and youre seeing discretionary spending decline

It's not just the Canadian economy. Everything is expensive everywhere.

Billionaires are hoarding wealth as the middle class is destroyed.

Canada doesnt have many billionaires and canada already aggressively taxes the rich. Not sure what else we can do here about that divide.

In america the economy is bad but for whatever reason spending has been robust.

Whether it be individual billionaires or investor groups, the rich are buying up everything. All of the dentists in my small town are corporate owned. If the dental hygienist asks you if you want the dentist to have a look, expect a $100 charge for a 3 minute look see.

I am currently involved in landlord and Tenant Board dispute on behalf of my 95 year old father. An investor group bought the mobile home park he was living in and wants to eliminate all residency leases and convert them to 11.5 month terms so there are no controls on the lot lease fees. This effectively destroys equity in one's mobile home.

I have a friend who lives in Parry Sound. He tells me 2 corporate groups are buying up all the marinas on the east shore of Georgian Bay. Boat slip fees will be rising.

During the insane real estate price spike of a few years ago, my son, a RE broker, said 25 percent of bidders on homes were investment buyers. While the commission on listings were nice, the ability to help a family buy a home was restricted. He helped some of his clients make up to 20 offers on houses before they won a bidding war, and then they were saddled with a purchase that was not a good investment because of that investor competition.

My local Honda franchise was bought up by an investor group that owns a number of dealerships. Prices are no longer indicated on the windshields of the used cars. I guess you pay according to what vehicle you drive in with and how nice your shoes are.

What we need to do is tax investor groups out of specific markets so that families can buy homes and mom and pop entities can buy businesses.

[bape_lovers]

When I was working in downtown, I would go games more often. With the work from home in effect, just too much work to take go train and waiting for the train back to watch a game. With cold weather, I don’t want to leave my house.

[sbsat]

It's not just the Canadian economy. Everything is expensive everywhere.

Billionaires are hoarding wealth as the middle class is destroyed.

Canada doesnt have many billionaires and canada already aggressively taxes the rich. Not sure what else we can do here about that divide.

In america the economy is bad but for whatever reason spending has been robust.

Whether it be individual billionaires or investor groups, the rich are buying up everything. All of the dentists in my small town are corporate owned. If the dental hygienist asks you if you want the dentist to have a look, expect a $100 charge for a 3 minute look see.

I am currently involved in landlord and Tenant Board dispute on behalf of my 95 year old father. An investor group bought the mobile home park he was living in and wants to eliminate all residency leases and convert them to 11.5 month terms so there are no controls on the lot lease fees. This effectively destroys equity in one's mobile home.

I have a friend who lives in Parry Sound. He tells me 2 corporate groups are buying up all the marinas on the east shore of Georgian Bay. Boat slip fees will be rising.

During the insane real estate price spike of a few years ago, my son, a RE broker, said 25 percent of bidders on homes were investment buyers. While the commission on listings were nice, the ability to help a family buy a home was restricted. He helped some of his clients make up to 20 offers on houses before they won a bidding war, and then they were saddled with a purchase that was not a good investment because of that investor competition.

My local Honda franchise was bought up by an investor group that owns a number of dealerships. Prices are no longer indicated on the windshields of the used cars. I guess you pay according to what vehicle you drive in with and how nice your shoes are.

What we need to do is tax investor groups out of specific markets so that families can buy homes and mom and pop entities can buy businesses.

How many ppl do you think these corporations employ? They banned foreign buyers and introduced vacancy taxes and the re market is in a free fall with ppl still being unable to afford homes. Corporations themselves are already fleeing canada due to over taxation and over regulation. There is a balance to be had between pure capitalism and greed and socialism that canada has lost and as a result we have seen over 10 years of stagnant growth.

[TheAlchemist23]

Canada doesnt have many billionaires and canada already aggressively taxes the rich. Not sure what else we can do here about that divide.

In america the economy is bad but for whatever reason spending has been robust.

Whether it be individual billionaires or investor groups, the rich are buying up everything. All of the dentists in my small town are corporate owned. If the dental hygienist asks you if you want the dentist to have a look, expect a $100 charge for a 3 minute look see.

I am currently involved in landlord and Tenant Board dispute on behalf of my 95 year old father. An investor group bought the mobile home park he was living in and wants to eliminate all residency leases and convert them to 11.5 month terms so there are no controls on the lot lease fees. This effectively destroys equity in one's mobile home.

I have a friend who lives in Parry Sound. He tells me 2 corporate groups are buying up all the marinas on the east shore of Georgian Bay. Boat slip fees will be rising.

During the insane real estate price spike of a few years ago, my son, a RE broker, said 25 percent of bidders on homes were investment buyers. While the commission on listings were nice, the ability to help a family buy a home was restricted. He helped some of his clients make up to 20 offers on houses before they won a bidding war, and then they were saddled with a purchase that was not a good investment because of that investor competition.

My local Honda franchise was bought up by an investor group that owns a number of dealerships. Prices are no longer indicated on the windshields of the used cars. I guess you pay according to what vehicle you drive in with and how nice your shoes are.

What we need to do is tax investor groups out of specific markets so that families can buy homes and mom and pop entities can buy businesses.

How many ppl do you think these corporations employ? They banned foreign buyers and introduced vacancy taxes and the re market is in a free fall with ppl still being unable to afford homes. Corporations themselves are already fleeing canada due to over taxation and over regulation. There is a balance to be had between pure capitalism and greed and socialism that canada has lost and as a result we have seen over 10 years of stagnant growth.

How dare you mention any potential negative impact of production-depressing socialism and anti-industry green policy

[Dennis 37]

The corporations don't employ any more people than the mom and pop owners before them. Chances are they employ less as the pressure to return dividends to shareholders is greater.

As for RE prices falling, while I have sympathy for families who bought at the peak of the market, I have zero sympathy for speculators who pre-bought condos having no intention to live in them, and planning to flip or air-bnb the units upon completion.

Let RE prices fall to pre covid levels, then, maybe, families can afford to buy homes again.

As for corporations leaving, the pressure is created by tariffs is probably huge. But a Minnesota based liquor business moved to Quebec, so are they not concerned about taxation?

[url]globalnews.ca/news/11527531/sour-puss-production-canada[/url]

[sbsat]

The corporations don't employ any more people than the mom and pop owners before them. Chances are they employ less as the pressure to return dividends to shareholders is greater.

As for RE prices falling, while I have sympathy for families who bought at the peak of the market, I have zero sympathy for speculators who pre-bought condos having no intention to live in them, and planning to flip or air-bnb the units upon completion.

Let RE prices fall to pre covid levels, then, maybe, families can afford to buy homes again.

As for corporations leaving, the pressure is created by tariffs is probably huge. But a Minnesota based liquor business moved to Quebec, so are they not concerned about taxation?

[url]globalnews.ca/news/11527531/sour-puss-production-canada[/url]

Can u cite a country where a model of focusing on mom and pop shops over corporate investment has led to more prosperity?

On re prices falling, when you have a significant drop in prices in canada with people still not being able to afford homes that is a red flag that ur economy is in the dumps which was my original point.

Lastly it is well known that cNada is over regulated and highly taxed and foreign investment in the country has stagnated as a result (the numbers are easy to look up). One example of a company moving to canada doesnt change that.

[Johnny Bball]

Except for the Jays I guess…

What are ticket prices for baseball as compared with NBA OR LEAF TIXS?

Lower bowl tickets are still around $200 for regular season games so it’s not exactly affordable.

Hawks $500/seat, Sixers are $400, Hornets are $300, just for an average seat on the sides. They finally called me for seasons this year. The was zero chance of me paying what they asked for my old seats back or close, which was 30-40k.

There are lots of tickets available for sale, not just resale. They pretty much maxed out what people are willing to pay.

[Broadcaster]

The canadian economy in general is dog sh*t and youre seeing discretionary spending decline

It's not just the Canadian economy. Everything is expensive everywhere.

Billionaires are hoarding wealth as the middle class is destroyed.

It feels like there’s a slowly tightening noose. At what point is it enough? At a certain point you’re actually just withholding the basics needs of others from them to just be a glutton.

[Duffman100]

The canadian economy in general is dog sh*t and youre seeing discretionary spending decline

It's not just the Canadian economy. Everything is expensive everywhere.

Billionaires are hoarding wealth as the middle class is destroyed.

It feels like there’s a slowly tightening noose. At what point is it enough? At a certain point you’re actually just withholding the basics needs of others from them to just be a glutton.

History has shown when the general populous can't afford bread. We're getting there...

[Broadcaster]

The corporations don't employ any more people than the mom and pop owners before them. Chances are they employ less as the pressure to return dividends to shareholders is greater.

As for RE prices falling, while I have sympathy for families who bought at the peak of the market, I have zero sympathy for speculators who pre-bought condos having no intention to live in them, and planning to flip or air-bnb the units upon completion.

Let RE prices fall to pre covid levels, then, maybe, families can afford to buy homes again.

As for corporations leaving, the pressure is created by tariffs is probably huge. But a Minnesota based liquor business moved to Quebec, so are they not concerned about taxation?

[url]globalnews.ca/news/11527531/sour-puss-production-canada[/url]

Can u cite a country where a model of focusing on mom and pop shops over corporate investment has led to more prosperity?

On re prices falling, when you have a significant drop in prices in canada with people still not being able to afford homes that is a red flag that ur economy is in the dumps which was my original point.

Lastly it is well known that cNada is over regulated and highly taxed and foreign investment in the country has stagnated as a result (the numbers are easy to look up). One example of a company moving to canada doesnt change that.

Gross profit isn’t the only measuring stick for what’s best for a country. A country is more than it’s top 1%.

[sbsat]

The corporations don't employ any more people than the mom and pop owners before them. Chances are they employ less as the pressure to return dividends to shareholders is greater.

As for RE prices falling, while I have sympathy for families who bought at the peak of the market, I have zero sympathy for speculators who pre-bought condos having no intention to live in them, and planning to flip or air-bnb the units upon completion.

Let RE prices fall to pre covid levels, then, maybe, families can afford to buy homes again.

As for corporations leaving, the pressure is created by tariffs is probably huge. But a Minnesota based liquor business moved to Quebec, so are they not concerned about taxation?

[url]globalnews.ca/news/11527531/sour-puss-production-canada[/url]

Can u cite a country where a model of focusing on mom and pop shops over corporate investment has led to more prosperity?

On re prices falling, when you have a significant drop in prices in canada with people still not being able to afford homes that is a red flag that ur economy is in the dumps which was my original point.

Lastly it is well known that cNada is over regulated and highly taxed and foreign investment in the country has stagnated as a result (the numbers are easy to look up). One example of a company moving to canada doesnt change that.

Gross profit isn’t the only measuring stick for what’s best for a country. A country is more than it’s top 1%.

Where did i mention gross profit?

[Dennis 37]

The corporations don't employ any more people than the mom and pop owners before them. Chances are they employ less as the pressure to return dividends to shareholders is greater.

As for RE prices falling, while I have sympathy for families who bought at the peak of the market, I have zero sympathy for speculators who pre-bought condos having no intention to live in them, and planning to flip or air-bnb the units upon completion.

Let RE prices fall to pre covid levels, then, maybe, families can afford to buy homes again.

As for corporations leaving, the pressure is created by tariffs is probably huge. But a Minnesota based liquor business moved to Quebec, so are they not concerned about taxation?

[url]globalnews.ca/news/11527531/sour-puss-production-canada[/url]

Can u cite a country where a model of focusing on mom and pop shops over corporate investment has led to more prosperity?

On re prices falling, when you have a significant drop in prices in canada with people still not being able to afford homes that is a red flag that ur economy is in the dumps which was my original point.

Lastly it is well known that cNada is over regulated and highly taxed and foreign investment in the country has stagnated as a result (the numbers are easy to look up). One example of a company moving to canada doesnt change that.

Prosperity for the elite in Toronto is much advantaged by corporate takeover of practically all economic activity in smaller cities and towns.

But that corporate profiteering sucks money out of local economies into the hands of the 1%, leaving smaller communutues with higher prices and little economic benefit.

[Merit]

To lessen the blow all they need to do is build the arenas in the suburbs.
Away from the suits.

Those mfers wont leave work early to commute to the burbs for a game.

Its the only good approach. Not everything needs to be in the city core

One of the best things about Toronto sports is that tens of thousands of people can walk to the games. The vibe and identification it creates between a team and city when swarms of fans walk through the streets before and after a game, and fill the pubs and bars, are invaluable. So much of that was lost in european football/"soccer" when many new stadiums were built along the highways in suburbs, and I'm infinitely happy that it's different here in Toronto; especially because walkability in north america is, well, coincidental at best.

The reason for the **** athmosphere and empty seats isn't just "suits" being nearby, it's also that sellers aim to maximize their profit. Suits/corporations are paying max dollars for tickets? Cool, f*** the average joe. Hence, no incentive to sell tickets cheaper, let alone move to the suburbs.

Fixing the gross resale schemes of Ticketmaster etc. is one step. Reserving a certain amount of lower bowl seats for lower-priced tickets/fan sections, similar to standing sections in European football, would be another - of course, that's never going to happen.

Never say never! They are passing “taylor swift” laws in the USA - Michigan specifically. Olivia Dean also mandated that her reselling prices were the exact same as face value prices through ticketmaster. More artists realize that it isn’t only rich folks who enjoy live music and live events.

[C Court]

Laws relating to resale tickets needs to change. Right now, sports teams are incentivized to ensure the resale market is active.

They make money on the initial ticket sale and then they take a cut on every resale through Ticketmaster.

[dagger]

Laws relating to resale tickets needs to change. Right now, sports teams are incentivized to ensure the resale market is active.

They make money on the initial ticket sale and then they take a cut on every resale through Ticketmaster.

I don't give a rat's rear about the resale premium if they put a first class product on the court/field. Everyone was whining about the cost of the Jays' tickets until the team took a big U-Turn last season. As soon as they start exceeding expectations, people go silent (except for WS tickets, but even that was supply and demand and why shouldn't season ticket holders who supported crappy teams from 2017 through 2024 get a break?)