PG: Wizards blow out slumping Raptors

[Basketball_Jones]

Pretty embarrassing but Wizards played well and knew how to beat us. It’s frustrating but I do look at more higher expected teams like the Cavs and Magic and don’t feel as bad anymore. Throw in Atlanta too. I think we are teams fundamentally built badly while the Pistons/Knicks/Celtics found the right formula. To a lesser extent, the Pacers but I think their window is closed.

[Clutch0z24]

This team was always mid coming into the season. Not great not tank-bad. When it got off to a hot start so many on the board was thinking "we're elite!" and I said no. We'll make playoffs but not elite. Young players aren't developing like we hoped which would bring us closer to the top in the East. That's not happened. So we mid. Not good not bad.

Worst spot to be in imo....We are basically banking on a franchise altering trade to come along at this point ....Which i don't think will happen....

Bobby got us a franchise altering trade in the Kawhi deal and he will get us another franchise altering trade!

Lol....AD will save this franchise?....Right on...

[basketballto]

Pretty embarrassing but Wizards played well and knew how to beat us. It’s frustrating but I do look at more higher expected teams like the Cavs and Magic and don’t feel as bad anymore. Throw in Atlanta too. I think we are teams fundamentally built badly while the Pistons/Knicks/Celtics found the right formula. To a lesser extent, the Pacers but I think their window is closed.

Pistons lost so many games they almost set a record. Last year people were calling for a rebuild. I wouldn't be so confident in their formula.

[DelAbbot]

We complain so the team can fix its issues and become relevant again. Its entirely what this message board is about. Do you think we want this team to be around .500 with no real prospects that can help push them where we want them to be?

They won 30 games last season, improving 10-15 games is pretty good? We can worry about this being a treadmill team once they actually get on the actual treadmill. We also still have all our picks if it gets to that point where there is still flexibility to do something about it. For now, it's about getting to mediocrity in the first place after being terrible the last 2 seasons.

After 2 years of tanking, you want to see signs of being able to be more than mediocre. Being in the play-in battle with Atlanta, Chicago and Miami was exactly where we were at with Siakam/Fred. We literally wasted 2 years just to stay there again.

Anyways, lots of season left so lets see. Hope those rumours or us looking to make a big move are true and we can get another cheap upgrade like Ingram.

We did 2 years of "half-measures" and ended up losing a lot games in bad draft years and unlucky drop in lottery. And Masai and Bobby rushed the rebuild, by building from the middle while keeping vets like Poeltl who was acquired to compete. Masai solidified the ceiling of this core at 45 wins and that's if his draft picks develop the depth needed.

So far the results are abysmal.

[AbC?]

To be capped out, have no extra draft picks and have such little overall talent on the roster is honestly disgusting work by the front office.

[DelAbbot]

To be capped out, have no extra draft picks and have such little overall talent on the roster is honestly disgusting work by the front office.

We couldn't have done a better job if the goal was to have a ceiling in the middle. The worst part is we had to suffer so many losing seasons to get here.

[Los_29]

Pretty embarrassing but Wizards played well and knew how to beat us. It’s frustrating but I do look at more higher expected teams like the Cavs and Magic and don’t feel as bad anymore. Throw in Atlanta too. I think we are teams fundamentally built badly while the Pistons/Knicks/Celtics found the right formula. To a lesser extent, the Pacers but I think their window is closed.

Pistons lost so many games they almost set a record. Last year people were calling for a rebuild. I wouldn't be so confident in their formula.

At the end of the day, Harris/Cade/Duren/Ausar is not a good future core. Just goes to show you how wide open the East is if Detroit is leading it.

[dballislife]

i cant believe cmb is already our 2nd best defender, poeltl would be 2 if he returns to last season...we could use a long defensive c off the bench and throw in a long defensive wing too...a lot of our guys give u garbage offense already, you throw in garbage defense too you have no chance against nobody

[DelAbbot]

Pretty embarrassing but Wizards played well and knew how to beat us. It’s frustrating but I do look at more higher expected teams like the Cavs and Magic and don’t feel as bad anymore. Throw in Atlanta too. I think we are teams fundamentally built badly while the Pistons/Knicks/Celtics found the right formula. To a lesser extent, the Pacers but I think their window is closed.

Pistons lost so many games they almost set a record. Last year people were calling for a rebuild. I wouldn't be so confident in their formula.

At the end of the day, Harris/Cade/Duren/Ausar is not a good future core. Just goes to show you how wide open the East is if Detroit is leading it.

Cade/Duren/Ausar core is not a good future core?

Then what do you call Barnes/BI/IQ/RJ/Poeltl?

[beanbag]

Then what the hell are we even arguing if you agree this team will be right around the .500 mark. We have been top 3 for a lot of the year and we will obviously not finish there. My expectations were the same as yours but like most fans, you always hope for more lol.

Just seems a bit odd to complain much about a team that's performing right around expectations.

We complain so the team can fix its issues and become relevant again. Its entirely what this message board is about. Do you think we want this team to be around .500 with no real prospects that can help push them where we want them to be?

You think complaining on here has any relevance as to what the FO does?

Like, you think THAT is the purpose of this board and not so that a bunch of randos can tell us about how they were right about prospect x all along while no one else cares?

[Los_29]

Pistons lost so many games they almost set a record. Last year people were calling for a rebuild. I wouldn't be so confident in their formula.

At the end of the day, Harris/Cade/Duren/Ausar is not a good future core. Just goes to show you how wide open the East is if Detroit is leading it.

Cade/Duren/Ausar core is not a good future core?

Then what do you call Barnes/BI/IQ/RJ/Poeltl?

Not a good future core.

[Los_29]

Just seems a bit odd to complain much about a team that's performing right around expectations.

We complain so the team can fix its issues and become relevant again. Its entirely what this message board is about. Do you think we want this team to be around .500 with no real prospects that can help push them where we want them to be?

You think complaining on here has any relevance as to what the FO does?

Like, you think THAT is the purpose of this board and not so that a bunch of randos can tell us about how they were right about prospect x all along while no one else cares?

Guy thinks NBA front offices are checking RealGM message boards. lol.

[CPT]

Pretty embarrassing but Wizards played well and knew how to beat us. It’s frustrating but I do look at more higher expected teams like the Cavs and Magic and don’t feel as bad anymore. Throw in Atlanta too. I think we are teams fundamentally built badly while the Pistons/Knicks/Celtics found the right formula. To a lesser extent, the Pacers but I think their window is closed.

Pistons lost so many games they almost set a record. Last year people were calling for a rebuild. I wouldn't be so confident in their formula.

At the end of the day, Harris/Cade/Duren/Ausar is not a good future core. Just goes to show you how wide open the East is if Detroit is leading it.

I know everything is relative and not absolute, but this just seems objectively incorrect.

Cade is going to get MVP votes and probably has a floor of All-NBA second team this year.

Duren is going to be an All-Star and might get an All-NBA nod as well.

Ausar seems like he'll be an All-Defensive team mainstay with room to grow.

An All-NBA-caliber guard, an All-Star-caliber C, and an All-Defensive team forward, all 24 or under. Seems like a good future core to me?

There is the issue of them racking up wins (and therefore award consideration) in a weak East, but that opportunity is available to everyone, and they are the ones actually doing it. It might just mean that they are good players.

[CPT]

Here's a depressing overreaction:

How sure are we that our situation is better than the Wizards?

Obviously we're going to win more games this year, and the Wizards are a longstanding joke franchise, but that's why it is depressing.

If the teams could swap rosters/assets, who says no?

If you want to make it measurable, who wins a playoff round first?*

*neither team winning a playoff round with a player currently on the roster is a definite possibility

[Kingsway_fan]

This team is going to regret all of these losses come April time.

Wow just checked in. Wtf? Where is the defense to permit a bottom three team to destroy you?

Shocked... This should have been an easy win. Wtf is going on with this team?

[Kingsway_fan]

Talent level on this team overall is cooked....We been bad for so long and have very little to show for it....Just not a fun time to be a Raptor fan.

If anyone thinks this team a future winner will be disappointed. We either need a massive steal in a trade or flat out start over with the roster construction and fire Bobby....Bring in a guy with a new vision overall...

Should have tanked properly.

Think we needed a proper few years of tanking....Especially this year....Trying to win with this team in one of the weakest East is kinda embarassing when we clearly are not even close to being a legit competitive team....

Such a waste of time....Bobby needs to be fired because as long as he is in the Front office we will be playing the middle for the dawn of time...

Has MLSE ever indicated they were supportive or willing to endure tanking?... highly doubt it.

Indiana may just pull off a brilliant one year tank..

[Kingsway_fan]

Just hire Bob Myers

Bob Myers literally made one good move in his tenure (drafting Draymond). He then rode Steph's (who he didn't draft) coattails to 3 titles before putting on a master class in asset mismanagement.

Lol agreed. So over rated.... squandered draft picks... nah. Hard pass.

[Airmiess]

Wrap it up, that’s the end of this group for sure.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Is Bobby secretly sabotaging the team by not addressing the C position since the summer? It’s a glaring need since last year…

Bobby's busy texting Masai on what to do, Masai hasn't replied back yet.

Kinda. I mean they both worked together on the reason and it’s payroll and lux tax. You can look as the 5 to 8 extra million on some contracts, the compliment of poor shooting shooting guards and trading for 2 guys at the same position. The signing of Temple. These things people said, why so much, what’s the rush? That chronic apologistia shrugged off as just the 20 wasted million and wasted roster spots that teams have. And when asked about the lux tax and how he’s not concerned, it because he knows he’s gonna have to cut money near the end of the season. So no, unless it’s to shed money - don’t expect moves or fixes to the roster. Bobby has pretty much taken the year off. That stuff about us and big fish is just cos-play to look busy.

[Clutch0z24]

I wonder if its the right time to start looking at trading Barnes soon....I think we should learn from our past mistakes from holding onto these guys for way too long where their value goes in the gutter....

What would you look for in a Barnes return?....A draft pick heavy package and start over or an upgraded player package.....I think building around Barnes as the franchise player is the worst thing we can do.....Hes a heck of a player but we have him in the wrong role and idk if we will ever get a chance to add the right player to compliment him with the lack of assets we have outside of him...

If i were running things and the team continues to look like it has been looking you have to have that conversation....Barnes right now would fetch us alot of assets on the market to a team that still believes he could reach franchise player level...I think it would be a win/win for us....We get multiple assets like draft picks and what not while also being able to start over and move away from this flawed core we built over the years...At that point id fire Bobby and scout team since i am not so confident in their drafting as of late as well...New vision, rebrand jersey + court, New team building method....We need a whole new core at this point imo.