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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#161 » by pingpongrac » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:10 am

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HiJiNX wrote:I think we don’t appreciate how good Barnes is because his biggest weakness is scoring (which he’s still pretty decent at). But he does everything so well. And has huge value.


Scottie had a pretty rough stretch for a few weeks after the Lakers game where he was generally floating around and not being near as assertive as he should have been without RJ/Poeltl while the majority of our role players were struggling, but he has still been a top 20ish player this season considering his two-way impact. Hopefully today's game is a sign of things to come (again) and RJ being back allows him play how he did for the majority of the first ~20 games. We're at the point now where I expect 20/8/7 type numbers (or better) from Scottie pretty much every game, but it all comes down to his effort and focus. When he's locked in, he arguably has the impact of a top 10 player.


The issue with Barnes is there should be no debates about effort and focus at this point in his career. You pay this man to carry you when your team sucks. That’s why he’s the franchise max guy. The expectation is night in and night out you must produce even when no one else is producing we should know that at least you’re going to show up. Chris bosh got slagged for not being a proper franchise guy, and yet I’ve seen more consistency in his effort and play than Barnes. His supporting casts were always so much worse.


Effort level and focus are pretty much the only things holding Scottie back from being a perennial All-Star/All-NBA player. His ability to read the floor and his IQ are up there with the best in the league and he can do just about everything at a pretty high level while he has very few weaknesses. I'm so critical of him sometimes because it is clear that he has the potential to be a dominant force that impacts the game all over more often than not, but sometimes he just floats around and seems to be going through the motions.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#162 » by Indeed » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:11 am

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This is why the Warriors is just around the .500


It’s a miracle they’re even .500 as a western conference team.

It is basically time for them to trade for AD or just give up. Likely they trade for AD because the only team that grasps at straws more than them are the Bucks.


That is interesting, because AD would fill many of their issues.
However, I am unsure how they can make salary works with Curry and Bulter above 50m, adding another 50m and keeping Draymond would be difficult financially.

I think they will stay as is, trying to tank the remaining Curry era for ticket sales.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#163 » by Tripod » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:11 am

Just saw someone on main boards post that Barnes 25 rebounds tonight is a league high this season.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#164 » by Boogie! » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:13 am

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Scottie had a pretty rough stretch for a few weeks after the Lakers game where he was generally floating around and not being near as assertive as he should have been without RJ/Poeltl while the majority of our role players were struggling, but he has still been a top 20ish player this season considering his two-way impact. Hopefully today's game is a sign of things to come (again) and RJ being back allows him play how he did for the majority of the first ~20 games. We're at the point now where I expect 20/8/7 type numbers (or better) from Scottie pretty much every game, but it all comes down to his effort and focus. When he's locked in, he arguably has the impact of a top 10 player.


The issue with Barnes is there should be no debates about effort and focus at this point in his career. You pay this man to carry you when your team sucks. That’s why he’s the franchise max guy. The expectation is night in and night out you must produce even when no one else is producing we should know that at least you’re going to show up. Chris bosh got slagged for not being a proper franchise guy, and yet I’ve seen more consistency in his effort and play than Barnes. His supporting casts were always so much worse.


Effort level and focus are pretty much the only things holding Scottie back from being a perennial All-Star/All-NBA player. His ability to read the floor and his IQ are up there with the best in the league and he can do just about everything at a pretty high level while he has very few weaknesses. I'm so critical of him sometimes because it is clear that he has the potential to be a dominant force that impacts the game all over more often than not, but sometimes he just floats around and seems to be going through the motions.


It’s a combination of things with Barnes and that’s why I’m critical of him. I was a huge fan of his since he was a rookie but he never really turned into what I expected him to be. You have guys like Jalen Johnson who are statistically putting up better numbers than Barnes this year and you don’t hear all this hype and fanfare about being a franchise superstar.

His effort level isn’t always as high as it should be like you said, but also his overall skill level, especially offensively hasn’t developed as expected. There was a point in time people were arguing that he had more of a bag than siakam and I always wondered what people were watching.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#165 » by PushDaRock » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:14 am

Tripod wrote:Just saw someone on main boards post that Barnes 25 rebounds tonight is a league high this season.


Do we have the next Andre Drummond who was hiding in plain sight the whole time?
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#166 » by Tripod » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:15 am

Indeed wrote:
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It’s a miracle they’re even .500 as a western conference team.

It is basically time for them to trade for AD or just give up. Likely they trade for AD because the only team that grasps at straws more than them are the Bucks.


That is interesting, because AD would fill many of their issues.
However, I am unsure how they can make salary works with Curry and Bulter above 50m, adding another 50m and keeping Draymond would be difficult financially.

I think they will stay as is, trying to tank the remaining Curry era for ticket sales.

With Kuminga being out of their rotation, again, gotta think he finally gets moved for immediate help they will play.

Could see a Kuminga for Claxton deal
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Post#167 » by TimeForChange » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:15 am

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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#168 » by Tripod » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:15 am

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Tripod wrote:Just saw someone on main boards post that Barnes 25 rebounds tonight is a league high this season.


Do we have the next Andre Drummond who was hiding in plain sight the whole time?

No

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Post#169 » by TorontoBarneys » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:17 am

25 rebounds is insane lol.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#170 » by HiJiNX » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:18 am

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I think we don’t appreciate how good Barnes is because his biggest weakness is scoring (which he’s still pretty decent at). But he does everything so well. And has huge value.


Scottie had a pretty rough stretch for a few weeks after the Lakers game where he was generally floating around and not being near as assertive as he should have been without RJ/Poeltl while the majority of our role players were struggling, but he has still been a top 20ish player this season considering his two-way impact. Hopefully today's game is a sign of things to come (again) and RJ being back allows him play how he did for the majority of the first ~20 games. We're at the point now where I expect 20/8/7 type numbers (or better) from Scottie pretty much every game, but it all comes down to his effort and focus. When he's locked in, he arguably has the impact of a top 10 player.

Agreed 100%.

The most frustrating thing about Barnes is he can be the best player on the floor almost every night just by playing hard and being focused. But we just don’t get that guy all the time. We get him for a quarter at a time here and there and every once in awhile for a whole game like tonight.

When he’s energetic from jump ball like he was tonight you know you’re in for a good one.
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Post#171 » by Nebuchadnezzar » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:19 am

We didn't even have Yak. This board is so inpatient.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#172 » by TorontoBarneys » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:20 am

RJ coming back should really infuse the team with newfound energy.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#173 » by Boogie! » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:28 am

CoachD wrote:I was annoyed all game by the fans who were oooooing and ahhhing and cheering everything Steph did.

Literally got better reactions on a back cut miss than our own guys on buckets

Pathetic


Curry is a legend… it’s the same **** if mj was here or Kobe or LeBron or when prime Vince Carter played in other arenas… is it annoying? A little bit, but fans pay money to watch these guys play and curry has a lot of fans and rightfully so.
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Post#174 » by VanWest82 » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:28 am

WIth the win we knocked Warriors back to .500 so technically it doesn't count toward us beating a good team. Steph, Jimmy, and Draymond are bums.
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Post#175 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:32 am

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lol, it is a problem when that's the only thing keeping you in the league. he's also getting paid 35 million. it's okay to have standards and expectations for these guys.

How do you seriously believe all IQ does is shoot?

You dont have a 3.5:1 AST/TO ratio if “all you do is shoot”.

Hes the 4th option offensively, who gets a ton of volume from 3. That’s just asking for wild fluctuations in PPG output and efficiency as it is only 1 or 2 makes a game that take him from “great game” to “horrible game”. But as a 4th option he is actually far from a problem. Not a lot of teams have a better 4th guy tb

I really don’t understand the IQ criticism. He makes a few bad plays per game but is generally pretty reliable in terms of energy and approach. He brings it every night. Sometimes the shots fall and sometimes they don’t. But he mostly plays the same way every game. He’s become quite good this year in my opinion — much better player. Can we talk about how reliable his floater has been? And that he’s gotten stronger and quicker on D? And that he is strong enough to stay in control on his drives? He’s made strides.

If you don’t have curry offense with shead defense then you suck.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#176 » by Westside Gunn » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:35 am

Boogie! wrote:Why is quickley getting no love…


Because we had to trade the beloved OG Anunoby to get Quickly and Barrett
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#177 » by YogurtProducer » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:38 am

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ItsDanger wrote:He played terrible in 1st half. If you can't see it with him by now, you never will. Even when it's spelled it for you.

Sure. He also was a huge reason why we won.

Overreacting to small samples, such as one half of basketball, is frankly just something I cannot say here without getting timeout'd for the night.

I know you are box score watching due to the 5 turnovers, but if you actually watch them they are not that egregious. There is two teams on the floor, and like 3 of those you kind of just have to say "yeah, good play GSW" rather than blast IQ for it. The 5th one was bad, but are we seriously raising the bar to "must play perfectly"?

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https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=TOV&GameID=0022500441&PlayerID=1630193&Season=2025-26&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game


He also took 5 shots offensively. Freaking out because he went 1-5 on a 5 shot sample is again, words I cannot use here. Especially when again, if you watch and dont box score surf, you'd know they were good looks that simply did not fall.

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https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FGA&GameID=0022500441&PlayerID=1630193&Season=2025-26&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game


Like man - there is more to basketball than the box score. You can play good and have bad stats. You can play bad and have good stats. But far to often on this board guys look at the box score and that is how they decide how a guy played. We had dudes in the GT making fun of IQ's 0/0/0 stat line when he checked out in the 1st Q, but ignored that we had a 131ORTG with IQ on the court in the 1st Q. What was he supposed to do? Hijack an offence that was working to appease the box score surfers?

Like I said, you never will.

Wanna give a thought out answer?

He’s a huge reason why we won today, and for some reason you’re hyper focused on literally a few bad plays rather than the great game as a whole.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#178 » by Scizzup » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:39 am

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I have always thought Center is Scottie's best position. My favourite games of his have come when he plays that spot. I bought his jersey because this is exactly how I thought he would dominate the league. I was really frustrated by PG Scottie the last couple of years but this year he is finally starting to realize he is one of the strongest men in the paint.

My dream would be seeing Scottie become our starting center (Scottie is as strong as Draymond) then see Bobby make a deal for a Point Guard.

Hell while I'm at it, would love to see Dick get benched to give Lawson or Martin a chance with those minutes.

Can't wait to see RJ play more minutes and Walter is starting to look like a player!


Scottie can't play center full time or even majority minutes like peak Draymond. He is nowhere as good of a rim protector or smart defense or as strong as young Draymond. GSW tonight were small and unathletic so it worked well.


Sadly, Barnes playing outside of C is just average or below due to his shooting.
He will need to play C to make up his near-max contract.


Nah he is still very impactful at his current position. I think people just have to adjust how they view him. He is clearly not a tier 1 or 2 scorer or a star offensive player YET.

Think of a Iggy/Shawn Marion hybrid type of player. He can still provide star impact overall in the position & he has been top 25 player this year. The Ingram trade was a way to get Scottie closer to his ideal role but BI is nowhere good enough of a scorer or offensive player for that which is the issue.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#179 » by YogurtProducer » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:41 am

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Tripod wrote:Can we at least be honest?

IQ was getting ripped because for 6 CONSECUTIVE GAMES from 3 shot:

0-4
3-9
0-4
1-7
3-10
1-8

8 for 42....19% from your best shooter. Nd he averaged 12 pts in these games. That deserves criticism.


Can YOU be honest? Two of those games were low-volume shooting nights (4 attempts against the Celtics and 4 attempts against the Bucks) and two were pretty average (3/9 against the Heat and 3/10 against the Nets) while the 1/7 and 1/8 games were rough.

It is absolutely wild to me that in 2025 we still have people losing their minds over a two-week stretch where a three-point shooter goes cold. It happens multiple times every single year to just about every single shooter in the league and it is always balanced out by a separate stretch where the guy shoots ~50% over 5ish games.

So it's not ok to complain when your best 3pt shooter shoots 19% over a 2 week period?

Ok

You can complain, but there’s a difference between acknowledging the sample sample nature and people going “he’s been horrible! He sucks! Blah blah blah”

There’s a difference between stupid play and bad results and smart play and just missing shots. I’m not really a fan of people overreacting every time a good shooter has a few game stretch of bad shooting. It’s a lot different then when guys hijack offensive possessions
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#180 » by littlerock2277 » Mon Dec 29, 2025 1:44 am

Raps in 4 wrote:
littlerock2277 wrote:Barnes needs to keep this type of energy. No way he should not be averaging 10 Rebs on this team. Hopefully this game builds his confidence more


I'm not sure if it's mental or conditioning with him, but the inconsistent effort between games is maddening.


Honestly totally agree I understand having off nights offensively, but effort to rebound and carry us defensively should be Barnes focus.
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