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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#201 » by Truthrising » Mon Dec 29, 2025 4:13 am

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Truthrising wrote:I heard Scottie had the flu last week which would explain the dropoff and now epic game..I guess he's recovered.


I think it’s more Washington had Sarr and Miami and Golden State had 6’7 centers. He tried in the Washington game it wasn’t lack of effort that one. The Nets game for sure he was dogging it a bit or was sick.


The flu started prior to the Washington. I remember he was questionable to even play against the Wiz but he toughed it through to the detriment of the team.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#202 » by johanliebert » Mon Dec 29, 2025 4:23 am

35 points off turnovers was the difference. The dubs are finished imo this is a game Toronto had to win.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#203 » by PushDaRock » Mon Dec 29, 2025 4:29 am

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ArthurVandelay wrote:Hopefully a trade comes sooner than later.

There is something off with this team. The inconsistencies aren’t the signs of a team on the rise.

Welcome back RJ!!


I do agree on the inconsistencies. However, we went on a massive run when we had our whole starting 5 present. As soon as they got injured things got worse. First it was RJ, the. iQ and then Jak.


the inconsistencies come from a young group navigating a season where they're indeed trying to win games, coach as well. Which should be expected, y'all just don't wanna give this group any grace because of the past rhetoric out there.


Yup, they're still learning to win. Growing pains should be expected.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#204 » by HumbleRen » Mon Dec 29, 2025 4:31 am

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OhCanada wrote:Its funny that all our big men hurt and Scottie forced to play Center all night he does it better than our actual bigs. Obviously this only works because Post and Green arent really a threat but must nights I feel this is the solution to our big man problem. He seems willing to do it.

Bamba is an interesting signing. If he can put it all together he is a unique talent. He has a 7'10 wingspan and can shoot a bit. I thought he was gonna be a star coming out of Texas.


I just don’t get this take or from many people in here repeating this. What do you guys think Scottie has been doing these last 3 weeks without Poeltl lol? Mamu wasn’t guarding the other team’s centers, it was Scottie.

Warriors are just one of the only teams in the league that doesn’t have a player taller than Scottie or even Ingram that plays starter minutes. This isn’t some new revelation, it’s a one off outlier.

Playing Scottie against actual real bigs full time is unfair to him and won’t set us up for success.


You keep saying Scottie has been guarding the other team’s C the past few weeks, but he has generally been on the perimeter even while Poeltl has been out. Over the previous 5 games (of which Poeltl missed 4 then played like 6 minutes in the other), Mamu almost exclusively defended Cs/PFs while Scottie was typically defending ball handlers.

vs WAS: Mamu spent more time on Sarr while Scottie defended a mishmash of George/Bilal/Middleton as well as Sarr

vs MIA: Mamu spent more time on Bam/Ware while Scottie primarily defended JJJ/Powell/Wiggins

vs BKN: Mamu spent more time on Claxton/Sharpe while Scottie primarily defended MPJ/Egor

vs BOS: Mamu spent most of his time defending Queta/Garza while Scottie primarily defended White/Pritchard/Walsh

vs MIL: Mamu spent most of his time defending Turner/Sims while Scottie primarily defended Portis

He has NOT been defending Cs and fighting for boards on both ends like he did today. He has typically been chasing players around screens or trying to slow down penetration over the past few weeks.


It’s a by a committee approach but either way, Scottie at the 5 as his main role is just unreasonable lol.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#205 » by Prestige » Mon Dec 29, 2025 4:44 am

This team has proven to be very inconsistent. One of the most bizarre Raptors teams we’ve ever had. It remains to be seen if they’ll find an identity or continue to be up and down the entire season.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#206 » by Tripod » Mon Dec 29, 2025 4:50 am

Prestige wrote:This team has proven to be very inconsistent. One of the most bizarre Raptors teams we’ve ever had. It remains to be seen if they’ll find an identity or continue to be up and down the entire season.

Injuries to multiple starters will do that.

Not to mention a very young team
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#207 » by HiJiNX » Mon Dec 29, 2025 4:56 am

Prestige wrote:This team has proven to be very inconsistent. One of the most bizarre Raptors teams we’ve ever had. It remains to be seen if they’ll find an identity or continue to be up and down the entire season.

Inconsistent teams are usually one of the following I think:

-a good team that hasn’t figured out how to be good consistently yet
-a mediocre team that can look like a good team on nights when things are clicking

The jury is still out on who we are but I think it’s the former.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#208 » by pingpongrac » Mon Dec 29, 2025 5:06 am

Prestige wrote:This team has proven to be very inconsistent. One of the most bizarre Raptors teams we’ve ever had. It remains to be seen if they’ll find an identity or continue to be up and down the entire season.


A bit of inconsistency should be expected from a relatively young team learning how to win together, especially considering they’ve spent about half of the season thus far without 2 starters. They’ve been pretty damn good when mostly healthy though; 13-5 with RJ and 9-3 with all 5 starters available even despite Poeltl generally looking like a shell of himself aside from 4 or 5 games in November.

A win tomorrow and looking competent against the Nuggets would go a long way to making some fans start to believe a bit more I think. Hopefully they can string some good games together again.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#209 » by Agimat » Mon Dec 29, 2025 5:09 am

Monster statline by Barnes and Rj is back leggo!
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#210 » by johanliebert » Mon Dec 29, 2025 5:17 am

BI deserves more praise here. After all he converted most of the clutch buckets. When he’s on he makes defenders look like cones.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#211 » by TheRaptor! » Mon Dec 29, 2025 5:42 am

YogurtProducer wrote:Reminder - multiple posters complained Scottie started at C tonight, and that in itself should tell us to not think so highly of ourselves :lol:


He’s a better C than he is PG that’s for sure
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#212 » by PushDaRock » Mon Dec 29, 2025 5:48 am

pingpongrac wrote:
Prestige wrote:This team has proven to be very inconsistent. One of the most bizarre Raptors teams we’ve ever had. It remains to be seen if they’ll find an identity or continue to be up and down the entire season.


A bit of inconsistency should be expected from a relatively young team learning how to win together, especially considering they’ve spent about half of the season thus far without 2 starters. They’ve been pretty damn good when mostly healthy though; 13-5 with RJ and 9-3 with all 5 starters available even despite Poeltl generally looking like a shell of himself aside from 4 or 5 games in November.

A win tomorrow and looking competent against the Nuggets would go a long way to making some fans start to believe a bit more I think. Hopefully they can string some good games together again.


There's some disappointment from our young players not taking leaps in their game but hard to complain about where we stand given the circumstances.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#213 » by ItsDanger » Mon Dec 29, 2025 5:51 am

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YogurtProducer wrote:Reminder - multiple posters complained Scottie started at C tonight, and that in itself should tell us to not think so highly of ourselves :lol:


He’s a better C than he is PG that’s for sure

BTW, multiple equals 2 people commenting on it. Ridiculous description given here.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#214 » by Godaddycurse » Mon Dec 29, 2025 6:07 am

Prestige wrote:This team has proven to be very inconsistent. One of the most bizarre Raptors teams we’ve ever had. It remains to be seen if they’ll find an identity or continue to be up and down the entire season.


Its not that bizarre.

we are good to great when fully healthy
we are meh to bad without a real C or RJ
we are terrible without both
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#215 » by 720 » Mon Dec 29, 2025 6:29 am

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Post#216 » by 720 » Mon Dec 29, 2025 6:33 am

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YogurtProducer wrote:Reminder - multiple posters complained Scottie started at C tonight, and that in itself should tell us to not think so highly of ourselves :lol:


He’s a better C than he is PG that’s for sure

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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#217 » by 720 » Mon Dec 29, 2025 6:35 am

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Post#218 » by Spates » Mon Dec 29, 2025 6:38 am

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Prestige wrote:This team has proven to be very inconsistent. One of the most bizarre Raptors teams we’ve ever had. It remains to be seen if they’ll find an identity or continue to be up and down the entire season.

Inconsistent teams are usually one of the following I think:

-a good team that hasn’t figured out how to be good consistently yet
-a mediocre team that can look like a good team on nights when things are clicking

The jury is still out on who we are but I think it’s the former.

This is certainly a bizarre squad as Darko has taken very specific strengths of flawed players and woven together a decent offense, at least when healthy. One major problem is the lack of resilience and skillset replicability. RJ goes down and there's no paint touches. And that's exactly it, the major weakness is getting into the paint. It's the most crucial element of setting a competent offensive floor and we're devoid of it. Because of that, were certainly a mediocre team relying on things clicking.

While I actually like IQ as a player, with his current usage type we need a upgrade. We need replication of his spacing with the addition of dribble penetration.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#219 » by Boogie! » Mon Dec 29, 2025 6:57 am

Spates wrote:
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Prestige wrote:This team has proven to be very inconsistent. One of the most bizarre Raptors teams we’ve ever had. It remains to be seen if they’ll find an identity or continue to be up and down the entire season.

Inconsistent teams are usually one of the following I think:

-a good team that hasn’t figured out how to be good consistently yet
-a mediocre team that can look like a good team on nights when things are clicking

The jury is still out on who we are but I think it’s the former.

This is certainly a bizarre squad as Darko has taken very specific strengths of flawed players and woven together a decent offense, at least when healthy. One major problem is the lack of resilience and skillset replicability. RJ goes down and there's no paint touches. And that's exactly it, the major weakness is getting into the paint. It's the most crucial element of setting a competent offensive floor and we're devoid of it. Because of that, were certainly a mediocre team relying on things clicking.

While I actually like IQ as a player, with his current usage type we need a upgrade. We need replication of his spacing with the addition of dribble penetration.


Yes let’s replace iq, a guy averaging 16 points 6 assists, with 44/37 shooting splits, with someone that can do all that, but can also penetrate the defense at will…

That guy sounds like, um, a star pg? So yeah, of course it makes to sense to replace quickley with a star… I wonder if Tyrese Maxey is available… maybe the sixers will take dick.
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Re: PG: The Scottie Barnes Show 

Post#220 » by Spates » Mon Dec 29, 2025 7:33 am

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HiJiNX wrote:Inconsistent teams are usually one of the following I think:

-a good team that hasn’t figured out how to be good consistently yet
-a mediocre team that can look like a good team on nights when things are clicking

The jury is still out on who we are but I think it’s the former.

This is certainly a bizarre squad as Darko has taken very specific strengths of flawed players and woven together a decent offense, at least when healthy. One major problem is the lack of resilience and skillset replicability. RJ goes down and there's no paint touches. And that's exactly it, the major weakness is getting into the paint. It's the most crucial element of setting a competent offensive floor and we're devoid of it. Because of that, were certainly a mediocre team relying on things clicking.

While I actually like IQ as a player, with his current usage type we need a upgrade. We need replication of his spacing with the addition of dribble penetration.


Yes let’s replace iq, a guy averaging 16 points 6 assists, with 44/37 shooting splits, with someone that can do all that, but can also penetrate the defense at will…

That guy sounds like, um, a star pg? So yeah, of course it makes to sense to replace quickley with a star… I wonder if Tyrese Maxey is available… maybe the sixers will take dick.

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