Cameron Boozer

[ezhkw8u69e]

Where’s Vernon Carey on that list Captain? 11.3 BPM. Hmm it’s as if you’re intentionally leaving some guys out.

[ezhkw8u69e]

One thing I can’t stand are frauds who use data to lie to people.

[ezhkw8u69e]

Where’s Jahlil Okafor, Captain? 10.4 BPM…hmm

[RookieStar]

I might be pro-duke but I always need the nba draft combine to tell me their true heights (lol) So this 6'9 listed height, is it with shoes or not?

His college very efficient " Mr. 20/10" statline , will it translate to the NBA seeing as that there are SF taller/bigger not to mention more athletic than him?

I dunno, I can't see him as a top-3 pick for now. Might change if he can put the team on his back all the way to the Final Four.

[vincecarter4pres]

I might be pro-duke but I always need the nba draft combine to tell me their true heights (lol) So this 6'9 listed height, is it with shoes or not?

His college very efficient " Mr. 20/10" statline , will it translate to the NBA seeing as that there are SF taller/bigger not to mention more athletic than him?

I dunno, I can't see him as a top-3 pick for now. Might change if he can put the team on his back all the way to the Final Four.

I also think he winds up falling somewhere between 7-9.

[RookieStar]

I might be pro-duke but I always need the nba draft combine to tell me their true heights (lol) So this 6'9 listed height, is it with shoes or not?

His college very efficient " Mr. 20/10" statline , will it translate to the NBA seeing as that there are SF taller/bigger not to mention more athletic than him?

I dunno, I can't see him as a top-3 pick for now. Might change if he can put the team on his back all the way to the Final Four.

I also think he winds up falling somewhere between 7-9.

I think it depends on who is picking.

If one of SAC ATL WAS is in the 4th range I think they will pick him esp if he has a good showing in the NCAAT,

[greenOakX]

Where’s Jahlil Okafor, Captain? 10.4 BPM…hmm

He said he was using the barttorvik database which uses a different (and imho better) formula for BPM. Carrey is at 9.9, Bagley at 9.6, and Okafor 9.4. Not sure why he cut off pre-2011 but here are all 10+ BPM freshmen in the database (goes back to 07-08), regardless of conference.

https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&sIndex=53&minGP=15&mingbpm=10&yvalue=Fr&year=all&start=-11101&end=all0501

[vincecarter4pres]

I might be pro-duke but I always need the nba draft combine to tell me their true heights (lol) So this 6'9 listed height, is it with shoes or not?

His college very efficient " Mr. 20/10" statline , will it translate to the NBA seeing as that there are SF taller/bigger not to mention more athletic than him?

I dunno, I can't see him as a top-3 pick for now. Might change if he can put the team on his back all the way to the Final Four.

I also think he winds up falling somewhere between 7-9.

I think it depends on who is picking.

If one of SAC ATL WAS is in the 4th range I think they will pick him esp if he has a good showing in the NCAAT,

Yeah can definitely see that, especially Sacramento.

But I think by draft night the consensus is going to be AJ, Peterson, Wilson, JQ and Flemings top 5; and a good chance of at least one of Acuff, Philon, Lopez, Brown or Cenac, or someone like that taken before him as well.

[CptCrunch]

I'm gonna stop responding those posting in bad faith using one counter example to 'disprove' a trend. Okafor's case is monumental mismanagement and abuse on part of Sixers.

No NBA prospect has ever been mistreated since draft like Okafor was treated, abused and tossed aside like Okafor. **** the Sixers, the lowest and scummiest front office in the league. They drafted him never intending to develop him.

[ezhkw8u69e]

I'm gonna stop responding those posting in bad faith using one counter example to 'disprove' a trend. Okafor's case is monumental mismanagement and abuse on part of Sixers.

No NBA prospect has ever been mistreated since draft like Okafor was treated, abused and tossed aside like Okafor. **** the Sixers, the lowest and scummiest front office in the league. They drafted him never intending to develop him.

Bad faith is intentionally leaving out data to make your point look stronger. It’s wild you would do that.

[ezhkw8u69e]

Where’s Jahlil Okafor, Captain? 10.4 BPM…hmm

He said he was using the barttorvik database which uses a different (and imho better) formula for BPM. Carrey is at 9.9, Bagley at 9.6, and Okafor 9.4. Not sure why he cut off pre-2011 but here are all 10+ BPM freshmen in the database (goes back to 07-08), regardless of conference.

https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&sIndex=53&minGP=15&mingbpm=10&yvalue=Fr&year=all&start=-11101&end=all0501

He conveniently left all those guys off eh…lmao

[RookieStar]

I also think he winds up falling somewhere between 7-9.

I think it depends on who is picking.

If one of SAC ATL WAS is in the 4th range I think they will pick him esp if he has a good showing in the NCAAT,

Yeah can definitely see that, especially Sacramento.

But I think by draft night the consensus is going to be AJ, Peterson, Wilson, JQ and Flemings top 5; and a good chance of at least one of Acuff, Philon, Lopez, Brown or Cenac, or someone like that taken before him as well.

We will see. The NCAAT is still far away. I have always said, getting hot during that tourney and willing our team to the F4 can bump your status a pick or 2 higher.

Also im not solved on JQ and Wilson. JQ because he just came back from injury and they havent really faced a quality opponent with him. And Wilson... is he a PF? With that frame? Thats a Matas, Franz, Rishacher frame. More suited to the SF than PF. who knows though..

[vincecarter4pres]

I think it depends on who is picking.

If one of SAC ATL WAS is in the 4th range I think they will pick him esp if he has a good showing in the NCAAT,

Yeah can definitely see that, especially Sacramento.

But I think by draft night the consensus is going to be AJ, Peterson, Wilson, JQ and Flemings top 5; and a good chance of at least one of Acuff, Philon, Lopez, Brown or Cenac, or someone like that taken before him as well.

We will see. The NCAAT is still far away. I have always said, getting hot during that tourney and willing our team to the F4 can bump your status a pick or 2 higher.

Also im not solved on JQ and Wilson. JQ because he just came back from injury and they havent really faced a quality opponent with him. And Wilson... is he a PF? With that frame? Thats a Matas, Franz, Rishacher frame. More suited to the SF than PF. who knows though..

The more I think about it, the more I think the furthest he will fall is 7, and he’s still likely to go top 4 or 3.

Is the obvious ceiling comparison we’re missing Chris Bosh?

Or close to ceiling, Shareef Abdur-Rahim?

[Eatgreenz]

Yeah can definitely see that, especially Sacramento.

But I think by draft night the consensus is going to be AJ, Peterson, Wilson, JQ and Flemings top 5; and a good chance of at least one of Acuff, Philon, Lopez, Brown or Cenac, or someone like that taken before him as well.

We will see. The NCAAT is still far away. I have always said, getting hot during that tourney and willing our team to the F4 can bump your status a pick or 2 higher.

Also im not solved on JQ and Wilson. JQ because he just came back from injury and they havent really faced a quality opponent with him. And Wilson... is he a PF? With that frame? Thats a Matas, Franz, Rishacher frame. More suited to the SF than PF. who knows though..

The more I think about it, the more I think the furthest he will fall is 7, and he’s still likely to go top 4 or 3.

Is the obvious ceiling comparison we’re missing Chris Bosh?

Or close to ceiling, Shareef Abdur-Rahim?

If everything goes right I can see being a new age Karl Malone

[RookieStar]

We will see. The NCAAT is still far away. I have always said, getting hot during that tourney and willing our team to the F4 can bump your status a pick or 2 higher.

Also im not solved on JQ and Wilson. JQ because he just came back from injury and they havent really faced a quality opponent with him. And Wilson... is he a PF? With that frame? Thats a Matas, Franz, Rishacher frame. More suited to the SF than PF. who knows though..

The more I think about it, the more I think the furthest he will fall is 7, and he’s still likely to go top 4 or 3.

Is the obvious ceiling comparison we’re missing Chris Bosh?

Or close to ceiling, Shareef Abdur-Rahim?

If everything goes right I can see being a new age Karl Malone

Theres an obvious guy... Zach Randolph!!!

[vincecarter4pres]

The more I think about it, the more I think the furthest he will fall is 7, and he’s still likely to go top 4 or 3.

Is the obvious ceiling comparison we’re missing Chris Bosh?

Or close to ceiling, Shareef Abdur-Rahim?

If everything goes right I can see being a new age Karl Malone

Theres an obvious guy... Zach Randolph!!!

He’s longer and more mobile, more athletic.

[vincecarter4pres]

We will see. The NCAAT is still far away. I have always said, getting hot during that tourney and willing our team to the F4 can bump your status a pick or 2 higher.

Also im not solved on JQ and Wilson. JQ because he just came back from injury and they havent really faced a quality opponent with him. And Wilson... is he a PF? With that frame? Thats a Matas, Franz, Rishacher frame. More suited to the SF than PF. who knows though..

The more I think about it, the more I think the furthest he will fall is 7, and he’s still likely to go top 4 or 3.

Is the obvious ceiling comparison we’re missing Chris Bosh?

Or close to ceiling, Shareef Abdur-Rahim?

If everything goes right I can see being a new age Karl Malone

Malone was ridiculously strong/bulky and more athletic.

[Eatgreenz]

The more I think about it, the more I think the furthest he will fall is 7, and he’s still likely to go top 4 or 3.

Is the obvious ceiling comparison we’re missing Chris Bosh?

Or close to ceiling, Shareef Abdur-Rahim?

If everything goes right I can see being a new age Karl Malone

Malone was ridiculously strong/bulky and more athletic.

Booz is already 250lb at 18 bullying guys 3-4yrs older than him , with nba strength program I think he goes up another level.

[vincecarter4pres]

If everything goes right I can see being a new age Karl Malone

Malone was ridiculously strong/bulky and more athletic.

Booz is already 250lb at 18 bullying guys 3-4yrs older than him , with nba strength program I think he goes up another level.

I’ll never say never, but Malone was a unicorn-ish player to me, even in a big man heavy era.

He was probably bulkier and stronger than Dwight Howard, with basically the same mobility on the offensive side of the ball, and obviously with a great offensive game even if a lot of it relied on spamming pick and pop and p’n’r.

Most guys aside from those two who bulk up like that just don’t have that mobility, vertical athleticism and remain deers in the open court.

Idk if I want Booz bulking up that much. He already resembles younger Brook Lopez with older Brook’s outside shooting. But he doesn’t have Brook’s concrete-ish feet, but also doesn’t have his shot blocking prowess, height/length, but is a more advanced passer and face-up guy.

But point being, if he bulks up too much I’d fear he goes from perfectly mobile for a more old school style big, to an actual plodder. And he doesn’t have the height or defensive ability to really switch to the 5 full time unless he becomes a total offensive hub and you work around it.

Bosh is probably who I’m trying to steer him as if I’m on the developmental staff.

[vincecarter4pres]

If everything goes right I can see being a new age Karl Malone

Theres an obvious guy... Zach Randolph!!!

He’s longer and more mobile, more athletic.

I’m just gonna quote myself here too instead of an edit that will get lost in the shuffle.

I just went and watched highlights on YouTube of a couple games I have on DVR which I’ve already watched, and came away thinking Zach Randolph actually isn’t a bad comp.

He looks longer than Zach, but he’s only a tad more athletic looking and this is at 19 and he isn’t a slob like Zach was.

He looks more plodding and landlocked then I remember.

I obviously trust watching full games more than highlights when really getting a feel for a player, but athleticism is usually something that’s cut and dry enough to judge by highlights.

This was my initial fear with Boozer as well from the first time I watched him. And that’s not to say he can’t be a very good NBA player even with sus athleticism and under the rim play, but it’s still harder to really win with guys like that.

Like it’s pretty obvious Boozer will put up some gaudy numbers in the L, and will probably help racking up regular season wins, but it’s hard to see him project as such a good player overall where he’s one of these unicorns and keeps you contenders.

Zach was a great complimentary player to a very specific roster, where he added impact and free’d things up and contributed in a positive way, but I’m still not using an uber high draft pick on a guy like that to try and save my franchise. I’m hoping I luck into a guy like that later in the draft, or trading for, or signing a guy like that as that come together piece.